Strange Edits and Weird Alternate Lines/Scenes in the Bond VHS tapes and DVDs

Does anybody know of any? To give you an example of what I mean, in some VHS releases of Thunderball, there is an alternate take on the line Bond says as he exits Largo's shark pool. Instead of saying "Sorry old chap, better luck next time", he says, "Now you can tell about the one that got away." Also in Thunderball, some releases have an extra line of dialogue when Bond and Felix's helicopter flies over a manta ray. Apparantly Felix is supposed to say, "A manta ray?! Unusual to see them out this far", but it's not even Rik Van Nutter's voice, but instead its Earl Cameron's voice, who plays Pinder, Bond's ally/contact. So does anybody know of any of these? It doesn't have to be Thunderball, just any Bond movie.

Anybody out there know of any? Anyone?

00Beast wrote:

Does anybody know of any? To give you an example of what I mean, in some VHS releases of Thunderball, there is an alternate take on the line Bond says as he exits Largo's shark pool. Instead of saying "Sorry old chap, better luck next time", he says, "Now you can tell about the one that got away." Also in Thunderball, some releases have an extra line of dialogue when Bond and Felix's helicopter flies over a manta ray. Apparantly Felix is supposed to say, "A manta ray?! Unusual to see them out this far", but it's not even Rik Van Nutter's voice, but instead its Earl Cameron's voice, who plays Pinder, Bond's ally/contact. So does anybody know of any of these? It doesn't have to be Thunderball, just any Bond movie.

There's even more in THUNDERBALL. You've got the fight with the SPECTRE frogman in the bomb cave without music instead of the currently available version with "Chateau Fight" tracked-in, Barry's original end titles instead of the '62 Bond theme, and a couple of other (mostly sound) edits during the underwater battle battle.

Sharky wrote:

00Beast wrote:

Does anybody know of any? To give you an example of what I mean, in some VHS releases of Thunderball, there is an alternate take on the line Bond says as he exits Largo's shark pool. Instead of saying "Sorry old chap, better luck next time", he says, "Now you can tell about the one that got away." Also in Thunderball, some releases have an extra line of dialogue when Bond and Felix's helicopter flies over a manta ray. Apparantly Felix is supposed to say, "A manta ray?! Unusual to see them out this far", but it's not even Rik Van Nutter's voice, but instead its Earl Cameron's voice, who plays Pinder, Bond's ally/contact. So does anybody know of any of these? It doesn't have to be Thunderball, just any Bond movie.

There's even more in THUNDERBALL. You've got the fight with the SPECTRE frogman in the bomb cave without music instead of the currently available version with "Chateau Fight" tracked-in, Barry's original end titles instead of the '62 Bond theme, and a couple of other (mostly sound) edits during the underwater battle battle.

Yeah, I read about those too. There's even a different take on Largo's line "We've still got one bomb aboard", which if I'm not mistaken, uses Adolfo Celi's real voice without the dubbing.

00Beast wrote:

Sharky wrote:

00Beast wrote:

Does anybody know of any? To give you an example of what I mean, in some VHS releases of Thunderball, there is an alternate take on the line Bond says as he exits Largo's shark pool. Instead of saying "Sorry old chap, better luck next time", he says, "Now you can tell about the one that got away." Also in Thunderball, some releases have an extra line of dialogue when Bond and Felix's helicopter flies over a manta ray. Apparantly Felix is supposed to say, "A manta ray?! Unusual to see them out this far", but it's not even Rik Van Nutter's voice, but instead its Earl Cameron's voice, who plays Pinder, Bond's ally/contact. So does anybody know of any of these? It doesn't have to be Thunderball, just any Bond movie.

There's even more in THUNDERBALL. You've got the fight with the SPECTRE frogman in the bomb cave without music instead of the currently available version with "Chateau Fight" tracked-in, Barry's original end titles instead of the '62 Bond theme, and a couple of other (mostly sound) edits during the underwater battle battle.

Yeah, I read about those too. There's even a different take on Largo's line "We've still got one bomb aboard", which if I'm not mistaken, uses Adolfo Celi's real voice without the dubbing.

If you watch the "Making Of" doc on the DVD you'll also able to be hear Celi's real voice in the casino scene. Sounds a lot more menacing IMO.

Sharky wrote:

00Beast wrote:

Sharky wrote:

00Beast wrote:

Does anybody know of any? To give you an example of what I mean, in some VHS releases of Thunderball, there is an alternate take on the line Bond says as he exits Largo's shark pool. Instead of saying "Sorry old chap, better luck next time", he says, "Now you can tell about the one that got away." Also in Thunderball, some releases have an extra line of dialogue when Bond and Felix's helicopter flies over a manta ray. Apparantly Felix is supposed to say, "A manta ray?! Unusual to see them out this far", but it's not even Rik Van Nutter's voice, but instead its Earl Cameron's voice, who plays Pinder, Bond's ally/contact. So does anybody know of any of these? It doesn't have to be Thunderball, just any Bond movie.

There's even more in THUNDERBALL. You've got the fight with the SPECTRE frogman in the bomb cave without music instead of the currently available version with "Chateau Fight" tracked-in, Barry's original end titles instead of the '62 Bond theme, and a couple of other (mostly sound) edits during the underwater battle battle.

Yeah, I read about those too. There's even a different take on Largo's line "We've still got one bomb aboard", which if I'm not mistaken, uses Adolfo Celi's real voice without the dubbing.

If you watch the "Making Of" doc on the DVD you'll also able to be hear Celi's real voice in the casino scene. Sounds a lot more menacing IMO.

Yeah, I watched that on Youtube a few days ago actually. You're right, his real voice is a lot more menacing, and I could understand him, so I have no idea why he'd be dubbed.

This perplexed my childhood for years. Finally after much digging and comparing on Thunderball here's what I came up with: there are two versions of the film's soundtrack nowadays.

Version 1: Original US or British Mono featured on pre-1995 transfers (VHS, LD) with 'Now you can tell" line, Pinder's manta ray line, no music during the underwater cave fight, Largo says "what Bond knew" when torturing Domino, Largo also says: 'Come on, I'll take over. We've got away from them, we've still got one bomb aboard', and finally the end credits have a version of the Thunderball theme play.

Version 2: Dolby Stereo surround mix done for 1995 CAV Laserdisc Boxset. This was remixed into 5.1 for the 1998 Laser Disc, ported to both SE and UE DVDs. Also featured on 1995 and later VHS releases. The UEs DTS mix is brand new with added effects. This 1995 matrixed stereo track attempted to fix issues and restore the soundtrack to it's original intent. What they used a as basis is uncertain, as reputedly British and American prints had some of these differences. This mix features: "Sorry old boy" line, no manta ray line, music during underwater cave fight, Largo says "what Bond knows", his later line is reduced to "we've got away from them, we've still got one bomb aboard", and the end credits feature the James Bond theme.

With TB's troubled production history, it was a miracle that Peter Hunt was able to cut the big thing down to it's eventual release run time by the end date. Thus it moves differently, and you can certainly believe that the rough cut was 4 hours.

As far as others oddities, all I can think of right now is that some copies of YOLT have the dialogue subtitled for the Japanese SIS or SPECTRE street kimono girls who talk into their purse radios. It's very philosophical dialogue...."he has just walked by. he has just walked by." and the like.

hegottheboot wrote:

This perplexed my childhood for years. Finally after much digging and comparing on Thunderball here's what I came up with: there are two versions of the film's soundtrack nowadays.

Version 1: Original US or British Mono featured on pre-1995 transfers (VHS, LD) with 'Now you can tell" line, Pinder's manta ray line, no music during the underwater cave fight, Largo says "what Bond knew" when torturing Domino, Largo also says: 'Come on, I'll take over. We've got away from them, we've still got one bomb aboard', and finally the end credits have a version of the Thunderball theme play.

Version 2: Dolby Stereo surround mix done for 1995 CAV Laserdisc Boxset. This was remixed into 5.1 for the 1998 Laser Disc, ported to both SE and UE DVDs. Also featured on 1995 and later VHS releases. The UEs DTS mix is brand new with added effects. This 1995 matrixed stereo track attempted to fix issues and restore the soundtrack to it's original intent. What they used a as basis is uncertain, as reputedly British and American prints had some of these differences. This mix features: "Sorry old boy" line, no manta ray line, music during underwater cave fight, Largo says "what Bond knows", his later line is reduced to "we've got away from them, we've still got one bomb aboard", and the end credits feature the James Bond theme.

With TB's troubled production history, it was a miracle that Peter Hunt was able to cut the big thing down to it's eventual release run time by the end date. Thus it moves differently, and you can certainly believe that the rough cut was 4 hours.

As far as others oddities, all I can think of right now is that some copies of YOLT have the dialogue subtitled for the Japanese SIS or SPECTRE street kimono girls who talk into their purse radios. It's very philosophical dialogue...."he has just walked by. he has just walked by." and the like.

Awesome stuff! Thanks for posting this! I really need to get a copy of Thunderball VHS pre-1995 so I can see all of these strange edits. I also read that some pre-1995 VHS tapes of OHMSS delete some scenes like M, Q, and Moneypenny right after the gunbarrel, the safe-cracking scene in Gumbold's office, and when Campbell attempts to take the cable car up to Piz Gloria. Even further, the shot of the cable car's shadow on the snow before it cuts to Campbell rock-climbing and Blofeld's line "his organization has exotic ways to keep a closed shop" have also been removed on pre-1995 VHS tapes.

Any TB pre-1995 will get you the alternate mono mix, or you can listen to the mono found on the Region 1 Ultimate Edition, which is this alternate mix.
OHMSS is usually messed up on every release, even the Special Edition DVD loses a few lines and has some strange edits here and there. And so does the UE!!! The only complete releases to my knowledge are the 1995 VHS edition and the 1991 Laserdisc (essential disc).

hegottheboot wrote:

Any TB pre-1995 will get you the alternate mono mix, or you can listen to the mono found on the Region 1 Ultimate Edition, which is this alternate mix.
OHMSS is usually messed up on every release, even the Special Edition DVD loses a few lines and has some strange edits here and there. And so does the UE!!! The only complete releases to my knowledge are the 1995 VHS edition and the 1991 Laserdisc (essential disc).

Yeah, I have the 1995 VHS of OHMSS. What is the Ultimate Edition missing? I have the UE for OHMSS, and I haven't caught anything.

00Beast wrote:

hegottheboot wrote:

Any TB pre-1995 will get you the alternate mono mix, or you can listen to the mono found on the Region 1 Ultimate Edition, which is this alternate mix.
OHMSS is usually messed up on every release, even the Special Edition DVD loses a few lines and has some strange edits here and there. And so does the UE!!! The only complete releases to my knowledge are the 1995 VHS edition and the 1991 Laserdisc (essential disc).

Yeah, I have the 1995 VHS of OHMSS. What is the Ultimate Edition missing? I have the UE for OHMSS, and I haven't caught anything.

Not as much missing but altered. i.e. the PTS beach fight. In the UE release there is a blue filter making it look like dusk when it should be at dawn. Plus there's the anachronistic modern machine gun sounds for Tracey's drive-by shooting and instead of the track "Gumbold's Safe" getting louder and louder in the mix, it's all at the same level.

https://www.youtube.com/v/9fkDGlngvw4

Bastards.

Also there's a mistakenly added shot of the cable car when Bond is trapped in the wheelhouse, but I can't remember where exactly. Despite the SE line featuring heavy edge enhancement and defects, the OHMSS SE is highly preferable to the UE in both picture and audio. (Though it is missing a few lines of dialogue.)

It's rather sad that going from Best to worst is LaserDisc, SE DVD, UE DVD.

Luckily they fixed those gaffes for the HD transfer. Audio as well. Those UE alterations in picture and sound are exclusive to the 2006 DVDs.

Has the shot of the bloody water from the shark's perspective in Thunderball been reinserted for the HD transfer? On the UE DVD the water is clear.

The beginning of Dr. No when Strangways' secretary is killed.

The scene and editing looks like it's missing a few seconds of frame.

G section wrote:

Makeshift Python wrote:

Luckily they fixed those gaffes for the HD transfer. Audio as well. Those UE alterations in picture and sound are exclusive to the 2006 DVDs.

Has the shot of the bloody water from the shark's perspective in Thunderball been reinserted for the HD transfer? On the UE DVD the water is clear.

It was already fixed for the R1 DVD release in 2006.

I don't own any of UE's but i see in reviews there be difrent opnions about OHMSS, AVTAK, TMND

The Dutch, Uk and Portugal releases yuse the same disc, but where in the UK there not be problems with AVTAK UE in The Netherlands there be. With TMND UE it be the way around. With OHMSS UE the Uk and Dutch version not missing a Dutch subitle with the bonus material, whyle Portugal release claimd there is no Dutch subtitle. Where Dutch version of OHMSS is clean of problems like TMND the Uk versions claimd there be problems.

The Portugal, Dutch and Uk 3th disc edition of 3 disc edition of CR with share too, but also with this one The Portugal version claid problem with no Dutch subtitels on that disc. With Uk version of disc 3 have Dutch subtitels where the Dutch version be unknown/not be told. I get the idea there get paid for not telling us the 3th disc missing subtites to cell more of the 2 disc Bd who be confirmd it have subtitels. Or there vergot to tell there review a rental version. This happend sometimes, because there also be 2 version of a 1 disc edition of the first release of Casino Royale. The first one is the rental (Dutch: Huur versie) version who people can rent whyle there only be 2 disc CE to buy, later the movie whas re-released as 1 buy version. The difrence is that the Videoclip of Cornell and bonus trailers are on the rental version whyle the re-release is the same as disc 1 of 2 disc CE where the videoclip be on disc 2.

Makeshift Python wrote:

G section wrote:

Makeshift Python wrote:

Luckily they fixed those gaffes for the HD transfer. Audio as well. Those UE alterations in picture and sound are exclusive to the 2006 DVDs.

Has the shot of the bloody water from the shark's perspective in Thunderball been reinserted for the HD transfer? On the UE DVD the water is clear.

It was already fixed for the R1 DVD release in 2006.

But not for Region 2. :evil:

But even the R1 fix for the TB pool isn't fixed properly. It's much too light, and the water is still clearly visible, almost as if someone just put in some red food coloring instead of the thick overdone red tint shown in the original film.

j7wild wrote:

The beginning of Dr. No when Strangways' secretary is killed.

The scene and editing looks like it's missing a few seconds of frame.

There's a Peter Hunt quick edit in there so I didn't ever notice anything else being missing. It looks a bit like the editing jump made when Bond picks up Quarrel's photo later on when searching Strangways' house.

It's just a jump cut. One of Peter Hunt's trademarks.

hegottheboot wrote:

Version 2: Dolby Stereo surround mix done for 1995 CAV Laserdisc Boxset. This was remixed into 5.1 for the 1998 Laser Disc, ported to both SE and UE DVDs. Also featured on 1995 and later VHS releases. The UEs DTS mix is brand new with added effects. This 1995 matrixed stereo track attempted to fix issues and restore the soundtrack to it's original intent. What they used a as basis is uncertain, as reputedly British and American prints had some of these differences. This mix features: "Sorry old boy" line, no manta ray line, music during underwater cave fight, Largo says "what Bond knows", his later line is reduced to "we've got away from them, we've still got one bomb aboard", and the end credits feature the James Bond theme.

My VHS (R2 Pall/Dutch) versions are Stereo and those are from 1995 and 1996.

DVD's:

Besides that TB incorrect said it be mono sound, it also be in 2:35:1, that is also what the cover wrote but with DAF it also be 2:35:1 whyle it claimd it be 1:78:1 simalar to LALD and TMWTGG.

The BD pres release i saw with the interviews with 3 directers showing a more dark video of Twine on the Sony tv on the background with Christmis Jones and Bond visit Valetine whyle the dvd and cinema relese have more light in the scene's. I get the idea from that footage there at more Blue/black it and look like there ask David Tattersal (Dop of Die Another Day) to make a mess from whylen Adrian Bidle his work.