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PostSubject: Predict the plot of SkyFall   Wed Mar 14, 2012 2:37 pm

Using all of the info, photos, callsheets etc we have so far, anyone care to take a crack at predicting how it will all piece together? The callsheets can be put into order, locations can be identified to some extent if we assume the Far East stuff is the villain lair, Bond and M seem to be on the run from an attack on London and end up in Scotland, Bond's parents probably have something to do with things, Bardem probably comes over from somewhere else to play a part in the attack while disguised as a police officer.... Naomie Harris could be Moneypenny, the other girl gives Bond a shave in the Far East and probably with extras.... No idea where Ralph Fiennes or Albert Finney come into it yet (possibly a modern-day Wint & Kidd, but something tells me humour isn't this era's strong point), but we can always speculate. Any takers?
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PostSubject: Re: Predict the plot of SkyFall   Wed Mar 14, 2012 2:48 pm

Well, we know the film looks something like this so far:

PTS is a set piece involving trains and motorbikes in Turkey. Cut to London, where shit blows up. Bond then goes to Shanghai to investigate. Returns to London and wraps the film at the manor house.
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PostSubject: Re: Predict the plot of SkyFall   Wed Mar 14, 2012 2:53 pm

Well then, on to speculation about Bond 24, now that this one is all figured out.

I'm thinking it will have a pre title sequence, followed by a title sequence with song. Who's next?
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PostSubject: Re: Predict the plot of SkyFall   Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:28 pm

My best guess is that it will revolve around an off-the-books operation code-named "Skyfall" that made several careers, but was covered up because it was illegal. Javier Bardem's character, Silva, was "created" as a result of this operation - MI6 might have willingly sold him out in order to identify a foreign agent working in London. Ten or fifteen years later, he has managed to identify the key players in Operation Skyfall, and is intended to kill them off. When MI6 is attacked, Bond is assigned to the case, and realises that it is more than a simple terrorist attack when one of the dead agents is discovered some distance from the actual scene of the crime (suggesting that whoever carried out the attack had to go looking for him).

A subplot would involve Ralph Fiennes carrying out a review of M's leadership, which he does under the direction of Albert Finney. However, Fiennes begins to suspect that Finney has an ulterior motive: removing M from her position, taking control of MI6, and then using his new-found power to derail the investigation into Silva because he is complicit in it. Fiennes passes evidence onto Bond that Finney is not acting in the interests of the agency, which Bond uses to force him into standing down. At the end of the film, Bond preserves the integrity of MI6 by stopping details of Operation Skyfall from being released to the public, but is unable to stop the politicians from finding out about it. Finney and M are forced to resign over the affair.
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PostSubject: Re: Predict the plot of SkyFall   Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:39 pm

I suspect M ends up being killed, rather than merely being forced to resign. I'll be happy to be proven wrong.
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PostSubject: Re: Predict the plot of SkyFall   Thu Mar 15, 2012 2:46 am

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I suspect M ends up being killed, rather than merely being forced to resign. I'll be happy to be proven wrong.

No, she's quite alive at the end of this movie based upon the call sheets, unless there is a scene involving her death that is going to be filmed with a bare-bones crew only and nothing listed about it in the script (like Anakin's death in Return of the Jedi, or the ADR James Earl Jones did where he reveals he is Luke's father in Empire Strikes Back). I *believe* she is with Bond at the Skyfall lodge towards the end of the film.

I believe that Bond's parents didn't really die in a skiing accident, but were on a mission for HMSS that went bad and were assassinated. Young Bond believed it was an accident because that's what governments sometimes have to do: spread disinformation. Somehow, M, when she was an up-and-coming politician in the Thatcher Administration, had oversight or a connection to the mission that Bond's parents were on, and now that past is being used to come back and blackmail her (and possibly Bond). In the end Bond will forgive M for sending his parents off on a deadly mission because he's a spy himself and understands the risks. He'll gain a new found respect for his parents that he hadn't before. M will offer to resign, but Bond tells her not to. That assuages her guilt, somewhat, but she decides that she's too old for this and tenders her retirement.
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PostSubject: Re: Predict the plot of SkyFall   Thu Mar 15, 2012 3:10 am

I also believe she's with Bond in Scotland, but isn't there a scene after that with Bond and Eve on a rooftop back in London? Possibly (and this is trictly me speculating admittedly): 1) crescendo in Scotland 2) Bond triumps but M dies (which would be done in the studio and not included on those location call sheets) 3) Back in London, Bond and Eve pay a visit on, let's say for argument's sake, Albert Finney.

Or maybe not.
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PostSubject: Re: Predict the plot of SkyFall   Thu Mar 15, 2012 4:22 am

Napoleon Solo wrote:
I also believe she's with Bond in Scotland, but isn't there a scene after that with Bond and Eve on a rooftop back in London? Possibly (and this is trictly me speculating admittedly): 1) crescendo in Scotland 2) Bond triumps but M dies (which would be done in the studio and not included on those location call sheets) 3) Back in London, Bond and Eve pay a visit on, let's say for argument's sake, Albert Finney.

Or maybe not.

I'm too lazy to look back at the information on the clapperboards that have been posted, but I think that M is with Bond in Scotland at the very end of the movie and I'm willing to bet she's with Bond at the cemetery and that this scene with him takes place after the assault on the castle and the main plot is wrapped up.
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PostSubject: Re: Predict the plot of SkyFall   Thu Mar 15, 2012 4:26 am

Here ya go:


Establishing shot of MI6 building - Scene 19
M and Tanner being chauffered in the Jaguar ( Waterloo-Parliament Square-Whitehall) - Scene 22
Whitehall Office - M and Tanner pull up and walk into the Whitehall office - Scene 23
Whitehall Lobby - M and Tanner have to go through security - Scene 24
M's Car - Tanner learns someone is accessing the flash drive - Scene 27
Vauxhall Bridge - M's car is stopped by security - M gets out the car angry. - Scene 29
M yells at the guards / Mi6 Explosion - Scene 30
London Funeral - Scene 35
Farringdon Road - Bond and Tanner ride to the new digs (underground bunker) - Scene 39
Bond Arrives at Underground Safehouse - Scene 42
Bathroom - Scene 45
London Park - Bond runs alone - Scene 50
Underground Bunker - Scene 53
Bar - Scene 59
Industial - Scene 63
Office Tower (Shanghai) - Scene 64
Eve shaves Bond in Macao hotel - Scene 68
Whitehall Lobby - M and Tanner go through security again - Scene 95
Computer Display - Scene 97
Underground Station - Scene 120
Bond chasing Silva towards a government building in Whitehall / Silva walks down a corridor / Silva dressed as a Policeman - Scene 126
Bond sprints to Whitehall office building - Scene 127
Silva escapes from Whitehall office building - Scene 130
Tanner puts M into her car and it speeds off - Scene 131
POSSIBLE Ext: Bond's flat - M enters his flat - Scene 132
POSSIBLE Int: Bond and M plan get away - Scene 133
Alley / DB5 - Scene 134
M wakes in DB5 in Scotland - Scene 137
M and Bond share drink next to road in Scotland and Bond talks about his childhood - Scene 138
Interior of the Scottish Manor or Chapel - Scene 142
Silva's Man fires a flare and sees M and Kincade / Kincade helps M to safety / Silva is excited as he sees M and Kincade/Bond runs and kills one of Silva's Men - Scene 165
London Rooftop - Scene 172
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PostSubject: Re: Predict the plot of SkyFall   Thu Mar 15, 2012 4:38 am

Sharky wrote:
Here ya go:


Establishing shot of MI6 building - Scene 19
M - Scene 22
M Scene 23
M and Tanner have to go through security - Scene 24
M's Car - Tanner learns someone is accessing the flash drive - Scene 27
Vauxhall Bridge - M's car is stopped by security - M gets out the car angry. - Scene 29
M yells at the guards / Mi6 Explosion - Scene 30
Whitehall Lobby - M and Tanner go through security again - Scene 95
Tanner puts M into her car and it speeds off - Scene 131
POSSIBLE Ext: Bond's flat - M enters his flat - Scene 132
POSSIBLE Int: Bond and M plan get away - Scene 133
M wakes in DB5 in Scotland - Scene 137
M and Bond share drink next to road in Scotland and Bond talks about his childhood - Scene 138
Silva's Man fires a flare and sees M and Kincade / Kincade helps M to safety / Silva is excited as he sees M and Kincade/Bond runs and

Is it just me or is this M's largest role to date? Having seen the movie laid out the way you've listed it, one does get the feeling that this film is very much about M and may be her big send-off (not suggesting she's being killed off, but simply being given her largest role and pay day to date knowing that she's finished with the series after this film).
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PostSubject: Re: Predict the plot of SkyFall   Thu Mar 15, 2012 4:42 am

//London Rooftop - Scene 172 //

Bond and Eve take M's ashes to the top of a building in her beloved London. They open the container with the ashes and spread them to the London winds.

Or not.

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PostSubject: Re: Predict the plot of SkyFall   Thu Mar 15, 2012 4:49 am

Gravity's Silhouette wrote:
Sharky wrote:
Here ya go:


Establishing shot of MI6 building - Scene 19
M - Scene 22
M Scene 23
M and Tanner have to go through security - Scene 24
M's Car - Tanner learns someone is accessing the flash drive - Scene 27
Vauxhall Bridge - M's car is stopped by security - M gets out the car angry. - Scene 29
M yells at the guards / Mi6 Explosion - Scene 30
Whitehall Lobby - M and Tanner go through security again - Scene 95
Tanner puts M into her car and it speeds off - Scene 131
POSSIBLE Ext: Bond's flat - M enters his flat - Scene 132
POSSIBLE Int: Bond and M plan get away - Scene 133
M wakes in DB5 in Scotland - Scene 137
M and Bond share drink next to road in Scotland and Bond talks about his childhood - Scene 138
Silva's Man fires a flare and sees M and Kincade / Kincade helps M to safety / Silva is excited as he sees M and Kincade/Bond runs and

Is it just me or is this M's largest role to date? Having seen the movie laid out the way you've listed it, one does get the feeling that this film is very much about M and may be her big send-off (not suggesting she's being killed off, but simply being given her largest role and pay day to date knowing that she's finished with the series after this film).

IF she gets the top billing after the title (Craig, of course, being billed before the title), I would say yes.
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PostSubject: Re: Predict the plot of SkyFall   Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:28 am

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//London Rooftop - Scene 172 //

Bond and Eve take M's ashes to the top of a building in her beloved London. They open the container with the ashes and spread them to the London winds.

Or not.
Vomit.
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PostSubject: Re: Predict the plot of SkyFall   Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:32 am

Well, isn't the standard rule in directing a movie from the script to the screen that one page of the script equals about one minute of film time?

We know, roughly, how many scenes there could be, but how many pages should there be? QOS was too short; needlessly too short, so I'm hoping we get back to those 2.25 hour Bond movies...or even longer. I want to be fully banged for my buck.
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PostSubject: Re: Predict the plot of SkyFall   Thu Mar 15, 2012 9:07 am

Prisoner Monkeys wrote:
Napoleon Solo wrote:
//London Rooftop - Scene 172 //

Bond and Eve take M's ashes to the top of a building in her beloved London. They open the container with the ashes and spread them to the London winds.

Or not.
Vomit.


As I said before, I'll be happy to be proven wrong.
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PostSubject: Re: Predict the plot of SkyFall   Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:27 am

Gravity's Silhouette wrote:
Well, isn't the standard rule in directing a movie from the script to the screen that one page of the script equals about one minute of film time?

We know, roughly, how many scenes there could be, but how many pages should there be? QOS was too short; needlessly too short, so I'm hoping we get back to those 2.25 hour Bond movies...or even longer. I want to be fully banged for my buck.
For some reason, the Turkish reporters who are updating filming in Adana reckon the film is only ninety minutes long ... but I doubt that's the case - there's very little to support that idea.

Using scene #172 as a guide, I'm led to believe that SKYFALL will be of similar length to CASINO ROYALE.
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PostSubject: Re: Predict the plot of SkyFall   Thu Mar 15, 2012 10:26 pm

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Using scene #172 as a guide, I'm led to believe that SKYFALL will be of similar length to CASINO ROYALE.

Urrghh Here's hoping it won't feel as long!
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PostSubject: Re: Predict the plot of SkyFall   Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:07 pm

I think CASINO ROYALE feels so long because it's really two films: the 'airport chapter' and the 'casino chapter'. They're really two separate stories that merge into one another.
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PostSubject: Re: Predict the plot of SkyFall   Fri Mar 16, 2012 9:00 am

Gravity's Silhouette wrote:
I'm hoping we get back to those 2.25 hour Bond movies...or even longer. I want to be fully banged for my buck.

Hear, hear.
Uh, I think....
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PostSubject: Re: Predict the plot of SkyFall   Sat Apr 07, 2012 7:16 pm

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My best guess is that it will revolve around an off-the-books operation code-named "Skyfall" that made several careers, but was covered up because it was illegal. Javier Bardem's character, Silva, was "created" as a result of this operation - MI6 might have willingly sold him out in order to identify a foreign agent working in London. Ten or fifteen years later, he has managed to identify the key players in Operation Skyfall, and is intended to kill them off. When MI6 is attacked, Bond is assigned to the case, and realises that it is more than a simple terrorist attack when one of the dead agents is discovered some distance from the actual scene of the crime (suggesting that whoever carried out the attack had to go looking for him).
I've decided that I no longer like this idea. For two reasons: 1) the illegal operation plot device is something of a trope that has been used in everything from Bourne to SAFE HOUSE. And 2) it's too limited in its scope; the plot only really applies to MI6, so it feels like there are no stakes involved, no consequences for Javier Bardem's success outside hurting MI6.

Instead, I have another idea as to what the story might be about: harnessing the power of mass hysteria as a weapon. The idea would be to create a mass panic by planting a simple idea - like the sky falling - and then watching the hysteria take over, doing far more damage than the villains could do normally. It would be a case of convincing the people that they are under attack, and that the government is powerless to do anything about it.
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PostSubject: Re: Predict the plot of SkyFall   Mon Apr 09, 2012 10:40 am

Sharky wrote:
Here ya go:


Establishing shot of MI6 building - Scene 19
M and Tanner being chauffered in the Jaguar ( Waterloo-Parliament Square-Whitehall) - Scene 22
Whitehall Office - M and Tanner pull up and walk into the Whitehall office - Scene 23
Whitehall Lobby - M and Tanner have to go through security - Scene 24
M's Car - Tanner learns someone is accessing the flash drive - Scene 27
Vauxhall Bridge - M's car is stopped by security - M gets out the car angry. - Scene 29
M yells at the guards / Mi6 Explosion - Scene 30
London Funeral - Scene 35
Farringdon Road - Bond and Tanner ride to the new digs (underground bunker) - Scene 39
Bond Arrives at Underground Safehouse - Scene 42
Bathroom - Scene 45
London Park - Bond runs alone - Scene 50
Underground Bunker - Scene 53
Bar - Scene 59
Industial - Scene 63
Office Tower (Shanghai) - Scene 64
Eve shaves Bond in Macao hotel - Scene 68
Whitehall Lobby - M and Tanner go through security again - Scene 95
Computer Display - Scene 97
Underground Station - Scene 120
Bond chasing Silva towards a government building in Whitehall / Silva walks down a corridor / Silva dressed as a Policeman - Scene 126
Bond sprints to Whitehall office building - Scene 127
Silva escapes from Whitehall office building - Scene 130
Tanner puts M into her car and it speeds off - Scene 131
POSSIBLE Ext: Bond's flat - M enters his flat - Scene 132
POSSIBLE Int: Bond and M plan get away - Scene 133
Alley / DB5 - Scene 134
M wakes in DB5 in Scotland - Scene 137
M and Bond share drink next to road in Scotland and Bond talks about his childhood - Scene 138
Interior of the Scottish Manor or Chapel - Scene 142
Silva's Man fires a flare and sees M and Kincade / Kincade helps M to safety / Silva is excited as he sees M and Kincade/Bond runs and kills one of Silva's Men - Scene 165
London Rooftop - Scene 172

Are those real? If so, I hadn't paid attention. laugh

I'm tempted to post a new thread called "The Skyfall Shot List" (or "The Skyfail Shit List") to keep all of these catalogued as they come out. I guess those are from the official site photos?
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PostSubject: Re: Predict the plot of SkyFall   Mon Apr 09, 2012 10:46 am

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Sharky wrote:
Here ya go:


Establishing shot of MI6 building - Scene 19
M and Tanner being chauffered in the Jaguar ( Waterloo-Parliament Square-Whitehall) - Scene 22
Whitehall Office - M and Tanner pull up and walk into the Whitehall office - Scene 23
Whitehall Lobby - M and Tanner have to go through security - Scene 24
M's Car - Tanner learns someone is accessing the flash drive - Scene 27
Vauxhall Bridge - M's car is stopped by security - M gets out the car angry. - Scene 29
M yells at the guards / Mi6 Explosion - Scene 30
London Funeral - Scene 35
Farringdon Road - Bond and Tanner ride to the new digs (underground bunker) - Scene 39
Bond Arrives at Underground Safehouse - Scene 42
Bathroom - Scene 45
London Park - Bond runs alone - Scene 50
Underground Bunker - Scene 53
Bar - Scene 59
Industial - Scene 63
Office Tower (Shanghai) - Scene 64
Eve shaves Bond in Macao hotel - Scene 68
Whitehall Lobby - M and Tanner go through security again - Scene 95
Computer Display - Scene 97
Underground Station - Scene 120
Bond chasing Silva towards a government building in Whitehall / Silva walks down a corridor / Silva dressed as a Policeman - Scene 126
Bond sprints to Whitehall office building - Scene 127
Silva escapes from Whitehall office building - Scene 130
Tanner puts M into her car and it speeds off - Scene 131
POSSIBLE Ext: Bond's flat - M enters his flat - Scene 132
POSSIBLE Int: Bond and M plan get away - Scene 133
Alley / DB5 - Scene 134
M wakes in DB5 in Scotland - Scene 137
M and Bond share drink next to road in Scotland and Bond talks about his childhood - Scene 138
Interior of the Scottish Manor or Chapel - Scene 142
Silva's Man fires a flare and sees M and Kincade / Kincade helps M to safety / Silva is excited as he sees M and Kincade/Bond runs and kills one of Silva's Men - Scene 165
London Rooftop - Scene 172

Are those real? If so, I hadn't paid attention. laugh

Yep, they're from a thread over at Cb.n. Someone complied all of the scene numbers on the clapperboard shots and came up with that.

Here's the more recent list:

Quote :
Establishing shot of MI6 building - Scene 19
M and Tanner being chauffered in the Jaguar ( Waterloo-Parliament Square-Whitehall) - Scene 22
Whitehall Office - M and Tanner pull up and walk into the Whitehall office - Scene 23
Whitehall Lobby - M and Tanner have to go through security - Scene 24
M's Car - Tanner learns someone is accessing the flash drive - Scene 27
Vauxhall Bridge - M's car is stopped by security - M gets out the car angry. - Scene 29
M yells at the guards / Mi6 Explosion - Scene 30
London Funeral - Scene 35
Farringdon Road - Bond and Tanner ride to the new digs (underground bunker) - Scene 39
Bond Arrives at Underground Safehouse - Scene 42
Bathroom - Scene 45
London Park - Bond runs alone - Scene 50
Underground Bunker - Scene 53
Bar - Scene 59
Industial - Scene 63
Office Tower (Shanghai) - Scene 64
Eve shaves Bond in Macao hotel - Scene 68
Whitehall Lobby - M and Tanner go through security again - Scene 95
Computer Display - Scene 97
Underground Station - Scene 120
Bond chasing Silva towards a government building in Whitehall / Silva walks down a corridor / Silva dressed as a Policeman - Scene 126
Bond sprints to Whitehall office building - Scene 127
Silva escapes from Whitehall office building - Scene 130
Tanner puts M into her car and it speeds off - Scene 131
POSSIBLE Ext: Bond's flat - M enters his flat - Scene 132
POSSIBLE Int: Bond and M plan get away - Scene 133
Alley / DB5 - Scene 134
M wakes in DB5 in Scotland - Scene 137
M and Bond share drink next to road in Scotland and Bond talks about his childhood - Scene 138
Interior of the Scottish Manor or Chapel - Scene 142
Helictoper Attack on Skyfall Lodge - Scene 147
Silva's Man fires a flare and sees M and Kincade / Kincade helps M to safety / Silva is excited as he sees M and Kincade/Bond runs and kills one of Silva's Men - Scene 165
London Rooftop - Scene 172

You can use that for your thread, and update every time we get a new pic.
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PostSubject: Re: Predict the plot of SkyFall   Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:18 am

In addition to the clapperboard shots, it includes some of the scene information from the call sheets that were sold on eBay.
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PostSubject: Re: Predict the plot of SkyFall   Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:55 am

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Eve shaves Bond in Macao hotel - Scene 68

There's a scene set in Macao? Or are we talking about a hotel in Shanghai called the Macao Hotel?
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PostSubject: Re: Predict the plot of SkyFall   Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:57 am

Loomis wrote:
Sharky wrote:
Eve shaves Bond in Macao hotel - Scene 68

There's a scene set in Macao? Or are we talking about a hotel in Shanghai called the Macao Hotel?

Don't know. That line is taken literally from the call sheets and related information.
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