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PostSubject: Argo (2012, dir. Ben Affleck)   Wed May 09, 2012 11:57 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Argo (2012, dir. Ben Affleck)   Thu May 10, 2012 5:45 am

Having seen the previous Affleck directed movies it just might be well worth the time watching.
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PostSubject: Re: Argo (2012, dir. Ben Affleck)   Thu May 10, 2012 6:09 am

ARGO looks like a real one-off. I've never before seen a trailer that switches genre so dramatically midway through. For the first minute or so, I thought I was watching a trailer for a gritty, realistic political drama (that looked really good), and then it turned into some sort of goofy caper comedy complete with John Goodman no less. A bit like THE IDES OF MARCH suddenly transforming into THE HANGOVER.

Of course, my first thought was "WTF?", but then I remembered that I'd read about this film a few months ago (as I understand it, it's about an audacious hostage rescue scheme disguised as a movie project - "the Canadian STAR WARS"). I think I read about ARGO as one of the best unproduced screenplays of the past couple of years, but I didn't realise that it had gone into production, much less that Affleck was directing and starring.

I didn't care for GONE BABY GONE, but I was very impressed by THE TOWN, and I'm really looking forward to seeing ARGO (I wonder whether Affleck will also give us an extended director's cut, as he did with THE TOWN). The trailer is unconventional, to be sure (and I'm curious to see how the shifts in tone from "serious" to "funny" and back again are handled in the finished film), but it's also riveting, not to mention visually striking. One of the most promising trailers I've ever seen, really.
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PostSubject: Re: Argo (2012, dir. Ben Affleck)   Thu May 10, 2012 6:44 am

I hated THE TOWN (since I'm not a big fan of Michael Mann - I suppose that didn't help) and GONE BABY GONE, so I'm pretty wary of ARGO.

That said, I do strongly suspect that the "comic" part of the trailer is misleading, at least tonally.


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PostSubject: Re: Argo (2012, dir. Ben Affleck)   Thu May 10, 2012 7:03 am

I actually liked THE TOWN. I haven't seen GONE BABY GONE but I've been wanting to for a long time. I always liked Affleck, I'm glad that he's recovered well after his career hit the nadir during the early 2000s.
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PostSubject: Re: Argo (2012, dir. Ben Affleck)   Thu May 10, 2012 7:35 am

Sharky wrote:
I hated THE TOWN (since I'm not a big fan of Michael Mann - I suppose that didn't help) and GONE BABY GONE, so I'm pretty wary of ARGO.

So why did you start this thread?
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PostSubject: Re: Argo (2012, dir. Ben Affleck)   Thu May 10, 2012 7:38 am

Loomis wrote:
Sharky wrote:
I hated THE TOWN (since I'm not a big fan of Michael Mann - I suppose that didn't help) and GONE BABY GONE, so I'm pretty wary of ARGO.

So why did you start this thread?

So we could discuss it.
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PostSubject: Re: Argo (2012, dir. Ben Affleck)   Thu May 10, 2012 7:40 am

Fair enough.

Where's Harms? I wanna know what he thinks of ARGO.
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PostSubject: Re: Argo (2012, dir. Ben Affleck)   Thu May 10, 2012 10:02 am

Looks like the sort of project that would make for a better book than a film.
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PostSubject: Re: Argo (2012, dir. Ben Affleck)   Thu May 10, 2012 10:36 am

Maybe. A book would certainly allow for more detail on the historical backdrop to the crisis, the culture of Iran, CIA tradecraft, the intricacies of the rescue plan, etc.

That said, though, I can't see anything to dislike about this trailer. Oh, and someone needs to persuade Affleck to return to the Jack Ryan franchise - not as the star, though, but as the director (get Ford back as President Ryan).
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PostSubject: Re: Argo (2012, dir. Ben Affleck)   Thu May 10, 2012 10:42 am

Loomis wrote:
Maybe. A book would certainly allow for more detail on the historical backdrop to the crisis, the culture of Iran, CIA tradecraft, the intricacies of the rescue plan, etc.
Yeah, all the most interesting aspects of a story like the one ARGO tells.
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PostSubject: Re: Argo (2012, dir. Ben Affleck)   Mon Oct 15, 2012 1:19 am

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Affectless Affleck
by Armond White

At this point in Ben Affleck’s directing career, I’d rather have him back simply as an actor (provided he’s well directed by someone who knows what the job entails). Affleck the auteur chooses worse material than Affleck the actor. And he lacks the skill and seriousness to make the stories believable.

Argo, Affleck’s newest job, is another of those based-on-a-true-story gimmicks: the CIA’s 1980 plan to rescue six Americans hiding in Teheran, a background event to the Iranian hostage crisis. Exfiltration specialist Tony Mendez (played affectlessly by Affleck) concocts a plan involving Hollywood pros to rescue the Americans by pretending to scout locations in Iran for a sci-fi movie titled “Argo.”

Affleck directs the story like a TV show–not a good one like Irvin Kershner’s 1977 TV-movie Raid on Entebbe but with no sense of place, suspenseful timing or feel for character that distinguishes a cinematic vision. (Zhang Yimou’s splendid Flowers of War is this year’s best rescue movie.) Argo’s script by first-timer Chris Terrio features TV brashness, full of sub-par Aaron Sorkinisms: “It’s standing room only for beheadings in the square” and “Exfiltrations are like abortions. You don’t wanna need one but when you do you don’t want to do it yourself.” George Clooney could blurt all this snark. Indeed, Clooney co-produced this film with Affleck which explains its rickety drama and flimsy comedy.

Miscalculated as a tale of showbiz heroism, Argo lacks conviction. Its trifling mix of action and sarcasm demonstrates no respect for history. The Hollywood scenes mock industry vulgarity and venality but ignores what motivated the middle-aged bizzers (Alan Arkin and John Goodman as Hollywood vets who are likely military veterans) to risk their reputations and protect others‘ lives–now bygone virtues. Affleck and Clooney are part of the elite who have never served their country and can’t fathom that kind of patriotism and so smirk at it. It’s a Joe Biden kind of movie. Ironically, Argo fakes a political story in an era when Hollywood is politically irresponsible.

http://cityarts.info/2012/10/12/affectless-affleck/
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PostSubject: Re: Argo (2012, dir. Ben Affleck)   Mon Oct 15, 2012 3:11 am

I enjoyed it. It's a tighter, more focused film than The Town. There are some cartoonish scenes involving the Iranian authorities, but it's essentially a CIA co-production, so that's normal. Armond can Argo fuck himself.
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PostSubject: Re: Argo (2012, dir. Ben Affleck)   Mon Oct 15, 2012 3:13 am

GeneralGogol wrote:
I enjoyed it. It's a tighter, more focused film than The Town. There are some cartoonish scenes involving the Iranian authorities, but it's essentially a CIA co-production, so that's normal. Armond can Argo fuck himself.

sounds good, more so the last bit. Rolls off the tongue quite effortlessly.
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PostSubject: Re: Argo (2012, dir. Ben Affleck)   Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:12 am

Loomis wrote:
Maybe. A book would certainly allow for more detail on the historical backdrop to the crisis, the culture of Iran, CIA tradecraft, the intricacies of the rescue plan, etc.
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That's why I never watched the ON WINGS OF EAGLES TV thing, because the book just got it all right and I didn't feel the need to diminish that achievement. Even Richard Crenna as Perot wasn't enticement enough, even though I am a sucker for nearly anything with Crenna in it.
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PostSubject: Re: Argo (2012, dir. Ben Affleck)   Sat Nov 10, 2012 11:55 pm

'Miscalculated as a tale of showbiz heroism...the Hollywood scenes mock industry vulgarity and venality but ignores what motivated the middle-aged bizzers (Alan Arkin and John Goodman as Hollywood vets who are likely military veterans) to risk their reputations and protect others‘ lives–now bygone virtues.'

Does Armond even think about some of what he writes?
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PostSubject: Re: Argo (2012, dir. Ben Affleck)   Sun Nov 11, 2012 5:13 am

HJackson wrote:
'Miscalculated as a tale of showbiz heroism...the Hollywood scenes mock industry vulgarity and venality but ignores what motivated the middle-aged bizzers (Alan Arkin and John Goodman as Hollywood vets who are likely military veterans) to risk their reputations and protect others‘ lives–now bygone virtues.'

Does Armond even think about some of what he writes?

I think that quote makes perfect sense, but Armond does need a proofreader or editor. He kept calling M Q in his SKYFALL review.
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PostSubject: Re: Argo (2012, dir. Ben Affleck)   Sun Nov 11, 2012 5:27 am

He says it's a tale of showbiz heroism (it isn't), then in the same paragraph complains that the film mocks Hollywood and denies its possession of virtue. If that is somehow a coherent thought, it isn't properly elucidated.
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PostSubject: Re: Argo (2012, dir. Ben Affleck)   Sun Nov 11, 2012 5:38 am

I haven't seen the film yet (I assume you have), so I can't argue on whether or not it attempts to be a tale of showbiz heroism. That said, in White's opinion it does, and the satire on Hollywood undoes that said attempt.
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PostSubject: Re: Argo (2012, dir. Ben Affleck)   Sun Nov 11, 2012 9:30 am

Armond aside, this might be worth a look. Might further confirm my theory Affleck's a better director than actor but then it's hardly theory of the century.
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PostSubject: Re: Argo (2012, dir. Ben Affleck)   Sun Nov 11, 2012 9:46 am

THE TOWN lead me to to believe the opposite.
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PostSubject: Re: Argo (2012, dir. Ben Affleck)   Sun Nov 11, 2012 9:46 am

Until I see it, I'll have to stick where I am.
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PostSubject: Re: Argo (2012, dir. Ben Affleck)   Sun Nov 11, 2012 11:16 am

Leonard Maltin calls ARGO the best movie he's seen all year:

http://blogs.indiewire.com/leonardmaltin/argomovie-review
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PostSubject: Re: Argo (2012, dir. Ben Affleck)   Sun Nov 11, 2012 11:19 am

But of course.
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PostSubject: Re: Argo (2012, dir. Ben Affleck)   Sun Nov 11, 2012 4:19 pm

I found it pretty dull and Ben Asslick was, as per usual, a completely uninteresting lead.

Also, Sean Connery really needs to get round to playing Ayatollah Khomeini one of these days. "Death to infidelsh!"
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