[POTENTIAL TDKR SPOILERS] Batman Reboot (2015)

tiffanywint wrote:

The White Tuxedo wrote:: I guess we can ditch the spoiler tags? I'd welcome that!

In that spirit, and I don't think I am spoiling anything here anyway, I think if his name is Robin, then he's probably being set-up to be a potential Robin. It all seems to fit, especially if he has access to the Batcave and its secrets. All it would take is for Bruce Wayne to return and the dynamic duo is good to go.

Yes, as I mentioned in the other thread, I'm not totally convinced Bale is done for. He says that now, but if WB could get Jonathan Nolan to write and direct, Bale might come back as Bruce to mentor Robin, and Bale wouldn't feel like a complete sell-out or that he's being unfaithful to Christopher.

I'd love to see Harley Quinn brought in. Maybe The Riddler. I would also like to see a better version of The Scarecrow. There's a variety of ways this series can continue without totally restarting.

Right, there is no need for another re-boot.

I did read in an interview with Bale, published in the Toronto Sun this week, that Bale was at least open to returning to the role, but the series can and would continue without Bale. Batman is too big a moneymaker. It's not leaving the cinema anytime soon. But that's rather obvious I think.

Jack Wade wrote:

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That's probably the biggest barrier to making it happen, but if the studios want to continue in the Nolanverse, they're going to have to run with it. And it may be what they need to do to keep up with Marvel. Marvel brought all their franchises together under one umbrella. DC might push to explore the ideas Nolan left hanging with the ending of RISES.

tiffanywint wrote:: Right, there is no need for another re-boot.

I actually quite look forward to another version of Batman. There's quite enough material to work with to keep it fresh.

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tiffanywint wrote:: Right, there is no need for another re-boot.

I did read in an interview with Bale, published in the Toronto Sun this week, that Bale was at least open to returning to the role, but the series can and would continue without Bale. Batman is too big a moneymaker. It's not leaving the cinema anytime soon. But that's rather obvious I think.

I think some of the "fan-boys" (like Harry Knowles over at AICN) feel as if they've been punk'd by Nolan because he vowed Robin would never be a part of his Batman films, and yet not only set up a fourth potential Batman/Nightwing movie with Robin as the lead character, but he introduced Robin as a full-fledged, fleshed-out character in TDKR right under their noses.

I'm not in the anti-Robin camp. Nolan's films made the compelling argument quite well that Batman is just a symbol, so really anybody could put on the suit or a suit. Why not bring John Drake aka Robin into it and make him Nightwing? Gordon-Levitt has gotten terrific reviews for his performance; reminds me of a younger Keanu Reeves in SPEED. JGL wouldn't have been the first person I would have thought of to play the role and carry the franchise onward, but he was great. If you're Warner Brothers why waste this opportunity that Nolan has given you? I'm not real sure that there's strong sentiment for another "reboot" of this series just yet, especially so soon after Spider-Man and Man of Steel. In fact, Spider-Man's reboot has been successful, but not gang-busters, and well have to wait and see if MOS is a hit or a POS. Perhaps Warner Brothers will wait and see what happens with MAN OF STEEL before moving forward.

But yeah, I'm totally in the Robin Camp on this one. Let's move on and do Nightwing. Have Bale come back in a supporting role for the next one; Help refine Robin's fighting skills. Bankroll Robin's alter-ego with new weapons. Bring in a few of the unused villains so far: Harley Quinn, Killer Croc, Manbat, Clayface, The Ventriloquist, or bring back Freeze, Riddler or Poison Ivy with new spins on them. I think the fan-girls who are weeping and wetting their diaper at the thought of Nightwing continuing the series are the ones with the truly limited visions.

Anyone else think a Batman movie that feels like the "Arkham Asylum" and "Arkham City" video games would be neat? It might not be a particularly revolutionary take on Batman but I think those games capture the universe pretty well. Obviously you wouldn't be able to fit all the characters into one film -- these games have the benefit of being so long that they can afford to fit every villain into one game -- but I think they nail what Batman is supposed to feel like.

You didn't see the paralelles betwee RISES and CITY?

I'm talking about the environment and feel of it.

Jack Wade wrote:: Anyone else think a Batman movie that feels like the "Arkham Asylum" and "Arkham City" video games would be neat? It might not be a particularly revolutionary take on Batman but I think those games capture the universe pretty well. Obviously you wouldn't be able to fit all the characters into one film -- these games have the benefit of being so long that they can afford to fit every villain into one game -- but I think they nail what Batman is supposed to feel like.

I've thought as much, though I've never played the game. I'd love to see a very tradional, straight-forward take on Batman. I'd still like to see the Hush story that I mentioned, and see a tone somewhere between THE ANIMATED SERIES and BLADE RUNNER. A kind of gothic-noir-punk feel.

If someone tries to do gritty and serious it'll be a nightmare. I think the Nolan road was traveled for all the mileage it was worth. Why do we need to focus on the logistics of Batman putting a suit together or where he gets all those cool toys? The story and motivations are what should be grounded. If they are, people will buy anything.

So, whom would you cast in the main roles of Bruce Wayne, Alfred, and Gordon?

I might go with an obvious choice like Bryan Cranston for Gordon. Start him out as a Commissioner since Cranston is in his 50's. Make him a vet who's trying to clean up a dirty force.

Maybe Ben Whishaw for Alfred.

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As there's no bat chance in Hell:

Bruce: Alexander Siddig
Alfred: Michael Gambon
Gordon: Jurgen Prachnow

as you were

Siddig as Batman!? What are you smoking? laugh

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The White Tuxedo wrote:: Siddig as Batman!? What are you smoking?

And your ideas make sense most times. As I said, it's a 'devil may care, couldn't give a damn, not going to happen' thing hence Siddig. Hell, you pick on that but not Jurgen Prochnow. I'll use the laughing my ass off emoticon but will settle for this :*sm*:

It's fantasy, it's Batman, it's immaterial :)

"Our Man Batman"

Hey, it solves the riddle of what to call the next Batflick!

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Hilly wrote:: Bruce: Alexander Siddig

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Since I'm not a dedicated Bat-fan, I was wondering what some of the fans might think of these ideas:

Prisoner Monkeys wrote:

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00 Agent Posts : 10588 Member Since : 2011-03-14

I'd to see a BATMAN film not based on any post-1986 comics, and that includes Miller, Loeb, and the rest of those cynical hacks.

Well, that basically leaves Golden Age Batman, which is pretty much what Burton did in his first movie, Silver Age Batman, which is pretty much the Adam West version, or Bronze Age Batman, which is basically the Bruce Timm animated version.

There's a part of me that does kinda wish they'd just let the franchise lie for a bit, like it did after B&R. But I know that WB isn't about to do that, so the next film will probably be a rushed mess, a la the recent Spider-Man movie.

00 Agent Posts : 10588 Member Since : 2011-03-14

Fairbairn-Sykes wrote:: Bronze Age Batman, which is basically the Bruce Timm animated version.

I know, but I'd love to see a live action equivalent.

I'm surprised that no one at WB has figured out to just give the animation guys a chance to do a big budget live action thing. They've always been producing superior work.

00 Agent Posts : 10588 Member Since : 2011-03-14

I'm thinking something based on some of the O'Neil/Adams comics. They were always of a high quality..

A lot of that was mined into BATMAN BEGINS, with globetrotting Bruce and Ra's al Ghul. I think their version of the Joker would feel dated after Ledger's. Their version of Batman really led the charge into the darker Batman that we still have today. I'm not sure you could do anything with that material and have it feel like anything other than a throwback after Nolan's version. I'd rather just watch MASK OF THE PHANTASM.

That's the thing, I feel like there needs to be some good, new material created in the actual comics otherwise it's just gonna feel like the same stuff mined over and over again. Grant Morrison's recent run (Batman #655-Batman Incorporated #21) is the best, freshest, new material, but it's extremely post-modernist stuff to try to work into a film's storyline.

Any take on Batman following Nolan is either going to feel like a cheap copy or a rushed product. What WB wants is something that is as popular as Nolan's (and therefore similar), yet can work in a combined DC universe so that they can make a Justice League movie.

Fairbairn-Sykes wrote:: I'm surprised that no one at WB has figured out to just give the animation guys a chance to do a big budget live action thing. They've always been producing superior work.

No kidding. If WB is interested in getting the ball rolling like MARVEL, they should look no further than the people at DC Entertainment. But they're extremely hesitant about making live action stuff. I guess I can understand that after SUPERMAN RETURNS, WATCHMEN, JONAH HEX and GREEN LANTERN all under-performing. BATMAN seems to be their only real surefire.

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Jack Wade wrote:

Hilly wrote:: Bruce: Alexander Siddig

You stay classy. :afro:

I'll edit this to make it look superb.