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PostSubject: Moderators   Moderators EmptySun Mar 20, 2011 6:47 am

It's not a bad thing, and I hope I'm not crossing the line. But I've noticed that we have alot of moderators on this site, compared to other forums such as DanielCraigIsNotBond, and CommanderBondNet. Though I've got no idea who or what happens at the former. It's almost impossible to comprehend anything.
I see that certain sections have different moderators here. Is this because these members are experts on these subjects?
Once again sorry for asking all these questions. Hope someone can fill in the gaps.
Thanks in advance.
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PostSubject: Re: Moderators   Moderators EmptySun Mar 20, 2011 7:24 am

Chang wrote:

I see that certain sections have different moderators here. Is this because these members are experts on these subjects?

The mod duties have tried to be spread as evenly as possible, with three main mods from the beginning (Tux, Brown, Fields) who were covering the whole site while it was a very small membership, but now with as many others as possible put in mod positions too so that everyone should feel more equal. Mods take a lot of crap, sometimes needless, they're often looked on differently, or their appointments make it look like the admin are playing favourites, so it's probably best to just have everyone in the same boat just to keep the threads they care about tidy. Anyone who hasn't been made a mod yet somewhere or other around here, I assume will be granted that "honour" over the next few days. It's probably more an equality thing, as the site shouldn't really need much modding anyway, but at least in the current situation there's likely always gonna be people there to sort threads out if somebody starts posting offensive stuff when the admin isn't around. As Ambler said, we're probably more just janitors than mods anyway here, as so far I can't see anybody here deliberately wanting to cause any problems or screw anything up, touch wood.



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PostSubject: Re: Moderators   Moderators EmptySun Mar 20, 2011 7:24 am

I never asked to become a mod. I never showed any aspirations to become one. But then one day without being notified I find my username attached to two sections. I guess I got some good recommendations, not sure by who. It's an honor though knowing there's such confidence for me.

I'm fine with just one section though, particularly the Multiplex.
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PostSubject: Re: Moderators   Moderators EmptySun Mar 20, 2011 8:42 am

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I guess I got some good recommendations, not sure by who. It's an honor though knowing there's such confidence for me..

To be honest MP, I should think everyone here has piles of confidence in you and a lot of others here, some of the people on here go way back due to how long we were all at the old MI6. And if you can't count on your long-time forum mates in a forum, who can you count on in one? Not to mention that IMO you should have been modded f***ing ages ago at MI6, so the very least you deserve is the equivalent here.

Plus, it really is mostly down to the members to look after this place. Thus the members have to be sincere and straight-up, which you obviously are. The reason the invites are as careful as they are around here is obviously due to the possibility of just as little as one or two people with the wrong intentions wandering in and wrecking the place if it was just advertised right across the net or word leaks out anywhere else. The admin here can't get in as much as he'd like to, so it's basically down to the members to look after the place much of the time. It's not a case of "elitism" in the membership sense as some elsewhere have suggested, it's more a case of being careful that everyone who comes in here is here with sincere intentions. If a known "troublecauser" (in their eyes) turned up at MI6, that person usually got banned, that's the way they always were with those people. We're the same in that we simply don't want trouble, but we have to be doubly careful as this site's probably a lot more vulnerable than somewhere like MI6.

There's a pile of other people I genuinely wouldn't mind having over here, but the invite stuff is a group call and some people get along better with some than others on that front, and this place won't stand a chance if it breaks out into a pile of in-fighting, not while there's still a few issues over the whole MI6 thing. Names have been called, "covert" stuff's gone on at both ends, and we probably need to just let it all die down a bit then see where it all goes from there, if possible.

But everyone's trusted here to contribute to the site, hence I should think it's no problem having anybody here as a mod. Though it helps if everyone's in the place they'd prefer to be, for example I don't really know s*** about Star Trek or Batman, so there'd be little point having me as a mod in those sections. When I was asked, I just reeled off a few obvious things off the top of my head about which members were into what, while anyone I'd forgotten I assume were just judged for mod positions on who was posting where, but the intention was to just get everyone placed somewhere where they can mod over stuff they're interested in. There'll probably be a few more mod appointments in the week, given that there's been ten or so new members since. So anyone who hasn't been made a mod somewhere yet will have the chance to mod over stuff they're interested in if they'd like to. Sure, there won't be much to do right now mod-wise, but we don't know how things are gonna go just yet. And if it helps build up even better trust and unity than the place has already, then great.
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PostSubject: Re: Moderators   Moderators EmptySun Mar 20, 2011 5:11 pm

I like how the modding is set up in areas of interest or expertise.

I just can't see how, over time and as the membership builds, every member could or should be modded. There are some people I'd like over here for discussion that I would not necessarily trust with having the power to edit other people's posts or entire threads. Just saying.

As it stands now, at least with the people here... if they do it they will stand up and admit to it.

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PostSubject: Re: Moderators   Moderators EmptySun Mar 20, 2011 5:37 pm

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How come this site has so many moderator?

We're aiming to outdo CASINO ROYALE 67.
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PostSubject: Re: Moderators   Moderators EmptySun Mar 20, 2011 6:28 pm

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I like how the modding is set up in areas of interest or expertise.

I see. So that makes me an expert in getting pissed and sexual innuendos, then?

This isn't a complaint, by the way - more an observation :D And sincere gratitude for the accolade.
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PostSubject: Re: Moderators   Moderators EmptySun Mar 20, 2011 6:30 pm

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retrokitty wrote:
I like how the modding is set up in areas of interest or expertise.

I see. So that makes me an expert in getting pissed and sexual innuendos, then?

This isn't a complaint, by the way - more an observation :D And sincere gratitude for the accolade.

That's exactly right. They put us at the bottom of the page.


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PostSubject: Re: Moderators   Moderators EmptySun Mar 20, 2011 6:33 pm

retrokitty wrote:

That's exactly right. They put us at the bottom of the page.


“We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.”

Makes you wonder what they'd put on our headstones, doesn't it?

"Here lies Rave - and we're not surprised"
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PostSubject: Re: Moderators   Moderators EmptySun Mar 20, 2011 6:43 pm

'Here lies Rave. Please replace after use.'
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PostSubject: Re: Moderators   Moderators EmptySun Mar 20, 2011 6:51 pm

You can now buy her from Boots for under a tenner.
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PostSubject: Re: Moderators   Moderators EmptySun Mar 20, 2011 7:07 pm

Too many chiefs etc. etc, lol
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PostSubject: Re: Moderators   Moderators EmptySun Mar 20, 2011 7:16 pm

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You can now buy her from Boots for under a tenner.

I beg to differ. I'm available only on prescription.
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PostSubject: Re: Moderators   Moderators EmptySun Mar 20, 2011 7:19 pm

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Sharky wrote:
You can now buy her from Boots for under a tenner.

I beg to differ. I'm available only on prescription.

She's very effective. I was suffering from what seemed to be an incurable case of decency until my doctor prescribed Rave. All I can say is that she does what it says on her tattoo.
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PostSubject: Re: Moderators   Moderators EmptySun Mar 20, 2011 7:22 pm

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All I can say is that she does what it says on her tattoo.

No-one can accuse me of false advertising
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PostSubject: Re: Moderators   Moderators EmptySun Mar 20, 2011 7:51 pm

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I just can't see how, over time and as the membership builds, every member could or should be modded. There are some people I'd like over here for discussion that I would not necessarily trust with having the power to edit other people's posts or entire threads. Just saying.
Count me in that boat as well. Might be wise for people who have experience in running a board to be given the mod duties, or people with a good sense for that sort of thing. There's lots of little things that can be done to help keep a board running smoothly, which have absolutely nothing to do with closing redundant threads or editing out cusses or whatever other annoying policy you can think of. In time, it becomes a pain to post on a board that isn't well-maintained.

I can see how it's a nice gesture to spread modship evenly at first, especially in light of the mods' behaviour at that other board, but in the end modship should be granted to those who want to take on the role. Being a mod's got nothing to do with power or status, especially here. Any (new) community needs a good team behind it. You might not notice when it's happening, but maintenance is essential to a board's longevity.

I'm not trying to be antagonistic, or a bitch.
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PostSubject: Re: Moderators   Moderators EmptySun Mar 20, 2011 11:12 pm

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I can see how it's a nice gesture to spread modship evenly at first, especially in light of the mods' behaviour at that other board, but in the end modship should be granted to those who want to take on the role. Being a mod's got nothing to do with power or status, especially here. Any (new) community needs a good team behind it. You might not notice when it's happening, but maintenance is essential to a board's longevity.

I'm not trying to be antagonistic, or a bitch.

No problem, I do see your point Louis. The forum is becoming bigger than we anticipated, and I agree with another post that we can't have 100 or so Moderators here, simply because there aren't enough categories to allow it. It was a gesture meant with true sincerity, but one which may now be becoming unmanageable.

I think this situation needs to be sorted out, now that discussion, debate and even arguments seem to be arising from it.

First things first: The original Moderator team here (The White Tuxedo, Fieldsman, Mr Brown) have done a truly great job here, and this forum wouldn't be what it is if not for the hard work these three people put in early on. I know that much for a fact. The three of them have helped me out no end, Lazenby as well. Unless or until any of these three original Moderators have done something to the true detriment of the forums, none of them deserve criticism. They're also here extremely regularly, which is great.

We wanted everyone to feel as equal as possible, that's all there was to it.

I could now probably do with some real input on this matter if it's to be resolved.

Everybody has had the rank of "Moderator" put underneath their username. This doesn't mean everybody will be able to "officially" Moderate every section of the forum, but it does mean that they're trusted to look after the place, even if it's just through dialogue, input, suggestions and ideas shared with myself and other members/Moderators.

What we need now is for people who really want to be Moderators to step forward and say so. If you're committed to a certain area of the forums or have expertise in a certain area, plus you can commit plenty of time to the forums, please let us know. If you're a less frequent visitor and could get by fine without any "official" Moderating duties, please let us know (this would be of particular benefit in culling the potentially out-of-control amount of "official" Moderators and allow us to really move forward on this).

If nothing comes of this within the next week, we'll likely have little choice but to simply revert back to the original three "official"
Moderators right across the board, with probably just the few other "official" Moderators at the bottom section of the forums remaining too, as they've done a brilliant job there and seem committed to it. But in my opinion, everyone here is a Moderator of sorts anyway, as long as they're contributing to the forums and maintaining a good atmosphere here. "Official" Moderating here is right now little more than just very minor duties such as editing any blatantly offensive or insulting posts or putting wrongly categorised threads into the right area. You're not missing out on much if you're not an "official" Moderator, trust me. Besides, you'll still have a Moderator title rank anyway under your username as a valid contributor to (and a valued and highly-respected member of) the forums.

So please, either in this thread or through PM, can as many people as possible over the next few days please let me know where they stand over this? It likely can't be sorted out to everyone's satisfaction otherwise.

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PostSubject: Re: Moderators   Moderators EmptySun Mar 20, 2011 11:24 pm

All joking aside, I truly appreciated the gesture and it was a wonderful way to be made to feel genuinely welcome. So - really - thank you.

However, I don't feel I can offer any real expertise to any specific areas. And to be perfectly honest, my free time is quite valuable and I really should be doing other things instead of browsing message boards. I will still browse them - I have no self-control and I can resist anything except temptation - but I don't need the excuse of moderation responsibilities. That would just give me a reason to spend more time here than I really should.

So - in summary - I am truly grateful for the honour; I thought it a marvellous gesture of trust and welcome. But - I don't think I'm moderator material. I cannot afford the time required.

Having said that, if there is ever anything I can do to help in any way, I would be more than happy to step up to the plate.

You know me - always happy to take one for the team ;)
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PostSubject: Re: Moderators   Moderators EmptySun Mar 20, 2011 11:31 pm

Ravenstone, many thanks. This is exactly the kind of post we need from people in order to resolve all this.

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PostSubject: Re: Moderators   Moderators EmptySun Mar 20, 2011 11:51 pm

Great discussion, M. I'm quite fine, qualified and satisfied, moderating the bar. If needed, I can moderated the deli too. Those areas are the areas I check out first and often. So, for now, that's enough responsibility.


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PostSubject: Re: Moderators   Moderators EmptySun Mar 20, 2011 11:53 pm

Woke up one morning and found myself a moderator in the Reviews section. Truly, an honour, and it means a lot to see confidence expressed in my expertise in that area, but a suggestion I would make might be to PM people up for moderator positions before the change is made and inform them of the idea.

I myself would be happy to assume moderatorship of the forum area in question, but let me get this straight -- at the moment, EVERYONE has the moderator title regardless? Is that correct?


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PostSubject: Re: Moderators   Moderators EmptySun Mar 20, 2011 11:54 pm

I find that I'm a moderator, what does this mean?
I don't see my name as a Mod for anything on here.
Was it a mistake?
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PostSubject: Re: Moderators   Moderators EmptySun Mar 20, 2011 11:56 pm

Turns out I'm a mod in the montages Television section. Cool.

I anticipate that we'll see a thread where everyone edits each others post.
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PostSubject: Re: Moderators   Moderators EmptySun Mar 20, 2011 11:58 pm

Tubes wrote:
Turns out I'm a mod in the montages Television section. Cool.

I anticipate that we'll see a thread where everyone edits each others post.

Well done, I don't see my name anywhere though.
Ah well.
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PostSubject: Re: Moderators   Moderators EmptyMon Mar 21, 2011 12:03 am

I hope the idea of making everybody an "honourary Moderator" is only a temporary one. I understand the feeling of inclusion we're trying to create as well as the idea of encouraging people to step forward and become "real" moderators -- but I am against the idea of an artificial equality where we all share the same title but not the same powers, something that would be confusing as well as frustrating, especially for new members. New members need to see that "rookie assassin" title or similar under their name, mainly so that noobs understand that they are new, and not automatically being given the keys to the castle. It's a natural hierarchy type deal.
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