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PostSubject: Re: Your unorthodox views.   Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:44 am

I don't hold any unorthodox views. Just correct ones.
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PostSubject: Re: Your unorthodox views.   Tue Apr 09, 2013 6:20 pm

Peculiar, I know, but I suspect filmmaking began before 1977.
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PostSubject: Re: Your unorthodox views.   Tue Apr 09, 2013 6:44 pm

You're such a curmudgeon, Ambler. I love your implicit assumption that you're the only one here who isn't some infantile Star Wars obssessed child, and the implicit assumption within that which says anyone who likes those kinds of movies is wrong. As well as the idea that Star Wars is some line in the sand that changed moviemaking, when all it really did was take a style of moviemaking that had always existed and push it to the forefront and give it huge budgets. Because if there's one thing that movie does it's shout to the heavens "HEY ANYONE REMEMBER FLASH GORDON?" before proceeding to rip off Dune as much as it can.

But I do like the glimpses into your head we get of the worldview wherein there is an elite club of who is right that consists only of you. It's fun.

Although, that all being said, I have met people who a) assume all movies before they were born are black and white and b) refuse to watch any movies made before they were born. And since this is mainly my generation that means 1990. So sure, they know older stuff exists, they just refuse to believe it's worth their time.

Which might actually be worse.
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PostSubject: Re: Your unorthodox views.   Tue Apr 09, 2013 9:29 pm

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I do like the glimpses into your head we get of the worldview wherein there is an elite club of who is right that consists only of you. It's fun.

I'm glad you appreciate my efforts though I would point out Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Talaat Pasha and Mao are past members of my club so it's hardly exclusive. Membership is by bodycount.
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PostSubject: Re: Your unorthodox views.   Tue Apr 09, 2013 10:36 pm

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Batman Begins is the best of Nolan's Batman trilogy.

Hardly an unorthodox view, it's the one that holds up best on its own.
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PostSubject: Re: Your unorthodox views.   Wed Apr 10, 2013 1:29 am

Salomé wrote:
Jack Wade wrote:


Batman Begins is the best of Nolan's Batman trilogy.

Hardly an unorthodox view, it's the one that holds up best on its own.

An a very blatant copycat from a far better movie character that really needs Raimi's touch if only the basterd would hurry up.

http://www.shadowsanctum.net/interactive/tidbits_archive/shadow_batman-movie_comparisons.html

Batman begins kinda sucks as unoriginal it is.
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PostSubject: Re: Your unorthodox views.   Wed Apr 10, 2013 3:13 am

The first three Brosnan Bond movies are in my top 3.

AVTAK is my Goldfinger and Goldfinger is my A View To A Kill/ AVTAK be in my Top 5.

Quantum Of Solace is good Bond movie, DC best Bond movie from the three.

Skyfall isn't a very good Bond movie and belongs to the 7th worse Bond movies at the moment (after 1 view). Like Goldfinger and Casino Royale it is very over-rated.

None of the Dc Bond movies i own on any format.

The Dark Knight (and possible the TDKR too) be over-rated/boring movie moost of the time.
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PostSubject: Re: Your unorthodox views.   Wed Apr 10, 2013 3:47 am

saint mark wrote:
Salomé wrote:
Jack Wade wrote:


Batman Begins is the best of Nolan's Batman trilogy.

Hardly an unorthodox view, it's the one that holds up best on its own.

An a very blatant copycat from a far better movie character that really needs Raimi's touch if only the basterd would hurry up.

http://www.shadowsanctum.net/interactive/tidbits_archive/shadow_batman-movie_comparisons.html

Batman begins kinda sucks as unoriginal it is.

Yeah Batman in the comics essentially began as cheap Shadow fan fiction. But after 70 years he is immensely popular with a developed world, character and cast while no one really gives a fuck about Lamont Cranston, so what does that tell you?
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PostSubject: Re: Your unorthodox views.   Wed Apr 10, 2013 4:56 am

saint mark wrote:
Salomé wrote:
Jack Wade wrote:


Batman Begins is the best of Nolan's Batman trilogy.

Hardly an unorthodox view, it's the one that holds up best on its own.

An a very blatant copycat from a far better movie character that really needs Raimi's touch if only the basterd would hurry up.

http://www.shadowsanctum.net/interactive/tidbits_archive/shadow_batman-movie_comparisons.html

Batman begins kinda sucks as unoriginal it is.

I have to admit that the similarities are pretty amusing. It might also explain why it's the only one of his three Batman movies with a coherent story and a worthy beginning, middle and ending. He just stole it all! laugh
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PostSubject: Re: Your unorthodox views.   Wed Apr 10, 2013 7:00 am

Fairbairn-Sykes wrote:
saint mark wrote:
Salomé wrote:
Jack Wade wrote:


Batman Begins is the best of Nolan's Batman trilogy.

Hardly an unorthodox view, it's the one that holds up best on its own.

An a very blatant copycat from a far better movie character that really needs Raimi's touch if only the basterd would hurry up.

http://www.shadowsanctum.net/interactive/tidbits_archive/shadow_batman-movie_comparisons.html

Batman begins kinda sucks as unoriginal it is.

Yeah Batman in the comics essentially began as cheap Shadow fan fiction. But after 70 years he is immensely popular with a developed world, character and cast while no one really gives a fuck about Lamont Cranston, so what does that tell you?

THE SHADOW KNOWS..............
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PostSubject: Re: Your unorthodox views.   Wed Apr 10, 2013 7:27 am

I enjoy Diamonds Are Forever over roughly 85% of the Bond films that came after.

I like Burn After Reading better than nearly all the other Coen films, save one or two.

Mission: Impossible II is better and more entertaining than Abrams' clusterfuck.
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PostSubject: Re: Your unorthodox views.   Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:11 am

Salomé wrote:
Jack Wade wrote:


Batman Begins is the best of Nolan's Batman trilogy.

Hardly an unorthodox view, it's the one that holds up best on its own.
Don't tell that to the fanboys.

On that note, the recent Arkham series of video games knock Nolan's films out of the water.
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PostSubject: Re: Your unorthodox views.   Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:02 am

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I enjoy Diamonds Are Forever over roughly 85% of the Bond films that came after.

Well, I agree with that, though maybe it is an unorthodox view now that Timmer and Khan seem to have departed.
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PostSubject: Re: Your unorthodox views.   Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:09 am

Tux digs DAF. Didn't know Khanners left.

I know these guys must be admirers as well: http://www.diamondwise.co.uk/Jewellers/London/Wint-and-Kidd/441
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PostSubject: Re: Your unorthodox views.   Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:16 am

I just haven't seen PK in a few days is all.
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PostSubject: Re: Your unorthodox views.   Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:45 am

NEVER SAY NEVER AGAIN is vastly better than its reputation and indeed may be the last of the good old-fashioned James Bond films that attempted to be nothing more than terrific entertainments - and succeeded superbly in that aim.
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PostSubject: Re: Your unorthodox views.   Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:47 am

Star Trek V is not all bad.

There, I said it.
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PostSubject: Re: Your unorthodox views.   Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:50 am

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PostSubject: Re: Your unorthodox views.   Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:12 am

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NEVER SAY NEVER AGAIN is vastly better than its reputation and indeed may be the last of the good old-fashioned James Bond films that attempted to be nothing more than terrific entertainments - and succeeded superbly in that aim.

The story of its production in The Battle for Bond is fascinating.
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PostSubject: Re: Your unorthodox views.   Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:39 am

Quite enjoyed The Star Trek reboot and Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines.

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PostSubject: Re: Your unorthodox views.   Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:44 am

Mrs Aural Sects wrote:
Quite enjoyed The Star Trek reboot and Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines.


That ain't out of the ordinary. laugh

Going back to the Alien movies from my first post, I prefer ALIEN 3 (assembly cut) to any cut of ALIENS. In fact, the last two times I even tried to watch ALIENS I got bored and gave up.

I also vastly prefer CARLITO'S WAY to SCARFACE. I'm actually not big on SCARFACE anyway, and the really love the other film. I wish it got more respect instead of stuff like CASINO. Though I'll CASINO credit for having an exceptional first 20 or so minutes when they're explaining Vegas.
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PostSubject: Re: Your unorthodox views.   Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:54 am

I despise CARLITO'S WAY. An example of purely commercial De Palma if there ever was one.

SCARFACE is the crucial second act of the the BLOW OUT to BODY DOUBLE opera. Ignore it and you've got a missing link in the De Palma fossil record, and his transformation from political idealist to cynic.


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PostSubject: Re: Your unorthodox views.   Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:55 am

Erica Ambler wrote:
Loomis wrote:
NEVER SAY NEVER AGAIN is vastly better than its reputation and indeed may be the last of the good old-fashioned James Bond films that attempted to be nothing more than terrific entertainments - and succeeded superbly in that aim.

The story of its production in The Battle for Bond is fascinating.

Agreed - that book is a great read!

My seemingly unorthodox view is that I find The Edge of Love to be a compelling, sensual, moody drama and I say seemingly because, despite some minor flaws, I don't understand why it has such a bad rep. Is it because the lack of focus on Dylan Thomas?
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PostSubject: Re: Your unorthodox views.   Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:56 am

Oh, and The Experience of Love is one of the finest Bond songs ever written.
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PostSubject: Re: Your unorthodox views.   Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:59 am

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I despise CARLITO'S WAY. An example of purely commercial De Palma if there ever was one.

SCARFACE is the crucial second act of the the BLOW OUT to BODY DOUBLE opera. Ignore it and you're got a missing link in the De Palma fossil record, and his transformation from political idealist to cynic.

laugh

Okay, I tend to avoid watching films as part of a bigger narrative and focus on the film itself. I get what you're saying, at least so far as BLOW OUT and SCARFACE are concerned.

I just think CARLITO'S WAY is a well-made movie and it moves me. That's really enough for me.
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