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PostSubject: Re: The European Union - is the EU the way to fix Europe?   Fri Nov 10, 2017 11:39 pm

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PostSubject: Re: The European Union - is the EU the way to fix Europe?   Sat Nov 11, 2017 3:52 am

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Still, a useful reminder (for those that need it) that the fight is not yet won.

Isn't it, though? The POV on the continent is that Brexit is a fait accompli and the only thing that is still uncertain is the nature of the post-Brexit relationship.
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PostSubject: Re: The European Union - is the EU the way to fix Europe?   Mon Nov 13, 2017 7:27 pm

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PostSubject: Re: The European Union - is the EU the way to fix Europe?   Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:27 am

I don't really see how a turn-around is still feasible at this point. Both two main British parties are on board with Brexit and I don't see how any politician could survive ignoring the referendum result.

These murmurs are more about the inherent complexity of the divorce itself, methinks.
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PostSubject: Re: The European Union - is the EU the way to fix Europe?   Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:55 am

Lots of talk in the UK about going for a second referendum to get the 'right' result. Just as was done in Ireland and France at the EU's behest.
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PostSubject: Re: The European Union - is the EU the way to fix Europe?   Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:44 am

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Lots of talk in the UK about going for a second referendum to get the 'right' result. Just as was done in Ireland and France at the EU's behest.

Wouldn't you need both major parties to completely change their current stance for that?

Also, why would the result of this second referendum be different? It doesn't seem like the EU has gotten much more popular during the Brexit process, to put it mildly.
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PostSubject: Re: The European Union - is the EU the way to fix Europe?   Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:52 am

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PostSubject: Re: The European Union - is the EU the way to fix Europe?   Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:12 am

I thought the attempt to open the vote to 16 year olds had failed? Or is there a second attempt on the way?
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PostSubject: Re: The European Union - is the EU the way to fix Europe?   Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:43 am

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I thought the attempt to open the vote to 16 year olds had failed? Or is there a second attempt on the way?

I think that was the Scottish independence referendum, though I may be mistaken. Any new move to lower the voting age is likely to depend on whether a second EU referendum is announced.

Of course, it's conceivable that any second referendum might take place after the UK has left the EU. That would be the worst of both worlds as the UK would have to re-join without its rebate, making it the biggest financial contributor to the EU rather than second biggest, as now.
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PostSubject: Re: The European Union - is the EU the way to fix Europe?   Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:10 am

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Salomé wrote:
I thought the attempt to open the vote to 16 year olds had failed? Or is there a second attempt on the way?

I think that was the Scottish independence referendum, though I may be mistaken. Any new move to lower the voting age is likely to depend on whether a second EU referendum is announced.

Of course, it's conceivable that any second referendum might take place after the UK has left the EU. That would be the worst of both worlds as the UK would have to re-join without its rebate, making it the biggest financial contributor to the EU rather than second biggest, as now.

Surely once the UK is properly out there would hardly be a platform for another referendum?
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PostSubject: Re: The European Union - is the EU the way to fix Europe?   Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:31 pm

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PostSubject: Re: The European Union - is the EU the way to fix Europe?   Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:19 am

So no non-German company has ever won anything? ROTFLMAO

I'm not a hurrah pro-EU type, but if that were the case, the EU would have ceased to exist a long time ago.
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PostSubject: Re: The European Union - is the EU the way to fix Europe?   Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:29 pm

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PostSubject: Re: The European Union - is the EU the way to fix Europe?   Mon Mar 05, 2018 10:10 pm

Make Italy Bunga Bunga Again.
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PostSubject: Re: The European Union - is the EU the way to fix Europe?   Mon Mar 05, 2018 10:20 pm

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PostSubject: Re: The European Union - is the EU the way to fix Europe?   Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:45 pm

This rather ignores the fact that Italians have voted for (pseudo-)fascist parties long before the advent of this immigration crisis. Coquetting with fascism is a particularly odd Italian trait that leads to seeing street vendors selling flags depicting both Benito Mussolini and Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
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PostSubject: Re: The European Union - is the EU the way to fix Europe?   Tue Mar 06, 2018 12:15 am

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PostSubject: Re: The European Union - is the EU the way to fix Europe?   Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:33 pm

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PostSubject: Re: The European Union - is the EU the way to fix Europe?   Wed Mar 07, 2018 7:18 am

Nothing like a bit of gross indecency to warm the cockles of the heart! Down with Il Duce etc. etc. and all other Fascist pigs!

Yes, I'm being ironic.
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PostSubject: Re: The European Union - is the EU the way to fix Europe?   Wed Mar 07, 2018 7:50 am

Nothing indecent about a woman's breasts. Can't say the same for fascism.
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PostSubject: Re: The European Union - is the EU the way to fix Europe?   Wed Mar 07, 2018 8:15 am

Do you guys like Merkel?

Germany is becoming Germanistan.
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PostSubject: Re: The European Union - is the EU the way to fix Europe?   Wed Mar 07, 2018 8:18 am

Define like?
I think she is a fascinating individual (as an Ossi who has been ruling a unified Germany for ages and as the rare head of state with a real STEM background) but I don't really identify ideologically with her.
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PostSubject: Re: The European Union - is the EU the way to fix Europe?   Wed Mar 07, 2018 8:46 am

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Nothing indecent about a woman's breasts. Can't say the same for fascism.

No, wrong legal term on my part. Tsk! Tsk!

And, yes, fascism is of course quite indecent.
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PostSubject: Re: The European Union - is the EU the way to fix Europe?   Wed Mar 07, 2018 10:22 am

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PostSubject: Re: The European Union - is the EU the way to fix Europe?   Wed Mar 07, 2018 1:38 pm

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Define like?
but I don't really identify ideologically with her.

That's what I meant.

But do you think she's the best choice for Germany right now?

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