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PostSubject: Re: British Politics thread   Thu Apr 07, 2011 7:39 am

You have to be already fairly financial secure to save. I've worked all my life, and I have no savings whatsoever. I can't afford to save. That's what I find annoying - the assumption that you don't have savings because you've pissed 'em up the wall. I can assure you - I haven't. I have simply only ever earned enough to pay my bills.

Criticism of the benefits system and the Welfare State as a whole appears based solely around the principle that all men are created equal. They're not.

And Care in the Community doesn't work either. Because the Community doesn't Care. It's always someone else's problem.
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PostSubject: Re: British Politics thread   Thu Apr 07, 2011 8:49 am

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That's what I find annoying - the assumption that you don't have savings because you've pissed 'em up the wall. I can assure you - I haven't.
No, you've spent it on books. ;)
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PostSubject: Re: British Politics thread   Thu Apr 07, 2011 8:56 am

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No, you've spent it on books. ;)

So not wasted then :D
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PostSubject: Re: British Politics thread   Thu Apr 07, 2011 8:58 am

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No, you've spent it on books. ;)

So not wasted then :D

I spent it on tarts. Who probably spent it on books, Or crack. The virtuous circle is poetry in motion.
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PostSubject: Re: British Politics thread   Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:12 am

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I spent it on tarts. .

Strawberry or lemon?
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PostSubject: Re: British Politics thread   Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:23 am

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I spent it on tarts. .

Strawberry or lemon?

Rotgut.
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PostSubject: Re: British Politics thread   Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:27 am

Ravenstone wrote:
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I spent it on tarts. .

Strawberry or lemon?

The last one said she was from Bakewell but smelt of paprika. Hmmm, I can feel a John Cooper Clark session coming on. Which brings this back on topic: "Keith Joseph smiles and a baby dies in a box on Beasley Street."
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PostSubject: Re: British Politics thread   Wed May 04, 2011 5:50 am

The AV referendum is nearly upon us. I'm going for a No vote here. It's bad enough that people stupid enough to vote BNP or UKIP are allowed to vote at all, but I'd rather their vote was wasted entirely than reallocated.
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PostSubject: Re: British Politics thread   Wed May 04, 2011 6:02 am

Yes, here. I'm quite frankly sick of the two party monopoly. And how homogenised they are. Just slight variations on the same 'nu' mould.
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PostSubject: Re: British Politics thread   Wed May 04, 2011 7:46 am

The first past the post system is broken as this site demonstrates.

http://www.game-point.net/misc/election2005/

However, AV is not the answer. I am hoping for a military solution.
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PostSubject: Re: British Politics thread   Thu May 05, 2011 6:31 am

Grr, I've changed my mind. Yes it is (not that it matters - latest polling has No 32 points ahead).

I'm a range voting man myself, but it's never gonna happen here.
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PostSubject: Re: British Politics thread   Thu May 05, 2011 6:34 am

I'd support PR, but AV is nothing to do with that, despite what the 'yes' campaigners are trying to suggest.
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PostSubject: Re: British Politics thread   Thu May 05, 2011 6:48 am

The Yes campaign are just as bad as the No campaign - No are just better at being liars. The claim that it will eliminate safe seats is utterly laughable to me, since those are the only seats in the country where candidates have comfortable majorities of over 50% anyway.
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PostSubject: Re: British Politics thread   Fri May 06, 2011 7:21 pm

Well, the Balkanisation of Britain continues. Bye bye, Scotland, you'll miss the Barnett Formula.
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PostSubject: Re: British Politics thread   Mon May 09, 2011 4:47 am

I find it humorous that all the Nos have is "It's too confusing."

Really? Because even primary school kids can pick their first, second and third choices when they are picking teams.

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PostSubject: Re: British Politics thread   Mon May 09, 2011 4:54 am

Innumeracy was not the reason I voted no.

I voted no because AV was as badly flawed as the system it was intended to replace. Change for change's sake is pointless.

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PostSubject: Re: British Politics thread   Mon May 09, 2011 5:21 am

I think the fact they had to produce a leaflet to explain the formula kind of proves it's not as straightforward as 'vote for the one you like best'. And having to explain it a few times to various people who are at least average or higher intelligence sort of demonstrated to me how basically flawed the idea is.

'First past the post' isn't ideal, but it's the best of a bad bunch.
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PostSubject: Re: British Politics thread   Mon May 09, 2011 5:25 am



This convinced me...
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PostSubject: Re: British Politics thread   Mon May 09, 2011 5:37 am

It convinced me as well. To vote no.

An unrealistic scenario to demonstrate a method of counting votes? Cus - let's face it - maybe it's me or the people I hang around with - but we generally agree on whether we want pub or coffee first before we decide exactly where to go.
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PostSubject: Re: British Politics thread   Mon May 09, 2011 5:45 am

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Innumeracy was not the reason I voted no.

I voted no because AV was as badly flawed as the system it was intended to replace. Change for change's sake is pointless.
I came to the conclusion it was ever so slightly better than FPTP, but I see entirely where you're coming from. It's just a shame that the No camp have taken this victory as evidence that the British people will never want voting reform, ever.
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PostSubject: Re: British Politics thread   Mon May 09, 2011 5:49 am

A far better referendum would have been Yes, No, or Other.
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PostSubject: Re: British Politics thread   Mon May 09, 2011 7:02 am

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It's just a shame that the No camp have taken this victory as evidence that the British people will never want voting reform, ever.

That's right, it's the the supposed permanency of this referendum that pisses me off.
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PostSubject: Re: British Politics thread   Tue Nov 29, 2011 10:28 pm

Autumn statement day, lads. Osborne's gonna dig his own grave in the Commons from 12:30.

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PostSubject: Re: British Politics thread   Tue Nov 29, 2011 11:02 pm

Ah, a lefty historian. How original.
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PostSubject: Re: British Politics thread   Wed Nov 30, 2011 8:39 am

Well, the incumbent government is hardly right-wing when you get down it. It's just Nu Labour 2.0 with a slightly misleading name. Still center-left, as always.
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