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PostSubject: Re: British Politics thread   British Politics thread - Page 13 EmptySun Apr 05, 2015 7:10 pm

Erica Ambler wrote:
Because then as now feminism and fascism go hand in hand. For starters try:

Feminine Fascism: Women in Britain's Fascist Movement, 1923-45 by Julie V. Gottlieb (2000)

Women and Fascism by Martin Durham (1998)

As Gottlieb says, it's fascinating to see the influence of feminist ideology on the fascist agenda and the significant impact of feminist thought in this area.

So I ask again: why would you assume that I would be in favor of any kind of fascism?
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I didn't realize that I had become synonymous with radical feminism on this forum. ROTFLMAO
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It's fascinating how many people think asking for a referendum on the UK's continuing membership of the EU is fascist when it's actually the very definition of democracy. Anyway, it's a farewell to cunts; the scent of Santa and Rave faded a long time ago.

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So why hasn't Dave held one?
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For the same reason Tone and Gord didn't I suppose. wink
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It's fascinating how many people think asking for a referendum on the UK's continuing membership of the EU is fascist when it's actually the very definition of democracy.


It's fascinating how you go to great lengths to ignore UKIP's many odious issues. You don't smell it any more, do you, Erica?


Just a few of the issues with UKIP:
Tax-dodging: In February 2015 UKIP were the only UK political party to side with the Greek Golden Dawn fascists to vote against an EU motion to clamp down on tax-dodging. The motion was passed by 612 votes to 19, with more than half of the votes against coming from UKIP.

Far-right extremists: In October 2014 UKIP prevented the collapse of their EFDD group by signing up an MEP from the extreme-right Polish KNP which is led by a bloke who claims that women shouldn't be allowed to vote, the disabled should not be allowed on television and democracy is the stupidest form of government ever!

Party funding: UKIP is 90% bankrolled by people who used to bankroll the Tory party. Once you know that they get most of their cash from former donors to the most establishment friendly party of all, it's extremely difficult to take their claims to be an anti-establishment party even remotely seriously.

Blatant opportunism: UKIP politicians will say and do anything if they think it will win them votes. They posture as a leftish party in Labour constituencies and an even-more-Tory-than-the-Tories party in Conservative seats. One of the clearest displays of this kind of blatant opportunism is the way that they keep stealing my infographics, even though I'm fundamentally opposed to their Thatcherite economic agenda.



Gay floods: The UKIP councilor who described the Somerset floods as God's retribution for the passage of gay marriage legislation through parliament is just one of dozens of UKIP politicians who have embarrassed the party by using their status as UKIP representatives to spout ludicrous, bigoted, racist, sexist and/or homophobic gibberish.


Neil Hamilton and other Ex-Tories: UKIP is absolutely riddled with ex-Tory politicians. It's shameful enough that they decided to give the disgraced former Tory MP Neil "Cash for Questions" Hamilton a route back into politics, but some of their other failed Tory MPs (like Bill Etheridge and Janice Atkinson) are arguably even worse.

Laziness: In the last European parliament UKIP's band of MEPs were the laziest of any political party in the whole of the European Union. They barely ever turned up to debates and votes, and when they did bother to vote they obstinately voted against almost every motion, no matter whether it was in Britain's national interest to do so or not. Their inherent laziness didn't stop them from claiming millions in salaries, expenses and party subsidies from the "EU gravy train" that they're always so keen to criticise though!

TTIP: The schizophrenic UKIP stance on the TTIP corporate power grab is one of the clearest indicators that they simply cannot be trusted to do as they say. TTIP represents a huge threat to UK sovereignty because it would allow multinational corporations to completely bypass our democratic and judicial systems in order to sue our country every time our government does something that they don't like. Some UKIP politicians like Louise Bours have criticised TTIP, while others are clearly strongly in favour of signing away our sovereignty to corporate interests. William "Dartmouth" Legge propagandised in favour of TTIP in the European parliament and their industrial spokesman Roger Helmer even voted in favour of it when it came before the European parliament!




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Anyway, it's a farewell to cunts; the scent of Santa and Rave faded a long time ago.


Hey, but you are still here, no? ROTFLMAO

Far as supremacist BS goes I'm afraid there is indeed an expert here but not a woman and surely no feminist either.
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"Politics makes liars of us all."
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PostSubject: Re: British Politics thread   British Politics thread - Page 13 EmptyFri Apr 17, 2015 2:55 pm

That election debate last night was an utter disgrace. The "carefully selected" audience hit a new high water mark for naked BBC political bias - quite the achievement given that this is the same organisation which, fourteen years ago, flooded a room with al-Qaeda sympathisers two days after 9/11 so that the former US ambassador could be told that America had it coming. Even more shocking was David Dimbleby, who I once thought had some integrity, permitting the most vile, personal attacks against Farage and consistently denying him a speedy reply.

Says a lot about the general stupidity of the public that some people are suggesting Farage must have been paranoid to see anything wrong with the audience. The pretense of BBC impartiality is so strong that they can get away with the most over-the-top partisan framing and still fool the vast majority of people into thinking they're neutral. Terrifying.
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Did like Dimbles saying that the audience was chosing independently. Sort of like with Griffin before and indeed, as you say HJ, the September 11 QT
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Why would that be the case? It's intellectually dishonest to put words in my mouth and then attack me for them.
I don't believe I ever stated I was against a referendum. In fact, I am very much in favor of it.
Besides that, it's entirely a British decision. So my opinion is of little consequence.

I do still firmly believe that anyone who ever indulged in singing Hitlerjugend songs is unfit for office, even at the municipal level. But I guess we will have to disagree on that one, I suppose.

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How about the part that I am in favor of a EU referendum? Or will you keep on ignoring the fact that I stated this? As well as the fact that the opinion of any non-British citizen should not matter if the question is a continued membership of the EU.

It seems rather odd to blame the lack of a referendum on a cabal of shady powers when all it would take is ten minutes of political courage from the Tories (or whoever will be in charge next) to achieve it. Frankly if that is the case, the problem is more that your elected officials are an utterly gutless bunch across the board.
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Five years ago, scientists were roused from their labs and took to the streets with supporters of science from all walks of life – from teachers and doctors to plumbers and taxi drivers – to protest against the coalition’s threatened cuts to the UK research budget. The protest wasn’t about jobs for scientists: it was to make the case for the central role we know that research plays in keeping our economy healthy. Any short-term gains extracted from raiding the science budget would ultimately end up weakening Britain’s ability to compete in a world where success is increasingly knowledge-based.

From this campaign, Science is Vital – the grassroots organisation we and others coaxed into life – was born. The protest, coordinated closely with the Campaign for Science and Engineering (CaSE) and combined with arguments made by industry, learned societies and others, staved off cuts and secured a flat-cash settlement. And over the last five years, we have watched as the science budget flagged in real terms.

But we never dreamt it would be quite as bad as it now appears to be.

We have analysed the latest international data on government spending and found that the UK investment in public-funded research dropped to less than 0.5% of GDP in 2012 – its lowest point in over two decades. Since 2010, when the Treasury froze the science budget disbursed annually to universities and research institutes by the Department of Business, Innovation and Skills (BIS), inflation, cuts to capital spending on facilities and reductions in research spending by other government departments have clearly taken a serious toll.

In fact, this steady decline since 2009 puts us firmly at the bottom of the G8 group of countries in terms of government support for science.

http://www.theguardian.com/science/occams-corner/2015/mar/13/science-vital-uk-spending-research-gdp
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I don't usually read The Economist but the conclusion here surprised me:

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/7da2852c-e3af-11e4-9a82-00144feab7de.html


Last word So what would the UK look like with my board of economists in charge? We’d have more borrowing and considerably more investment — in housing, in big infrastructure, in science and in green cities. Taxes seem unlikely to fall but they would be rationalised, with a focus on energy efficiency and a transparent taxation of income and housing wealth. Inequality would be in the spotlight. wrote:

So economists are in favour of 'green' investments in infrastructure? I'm would not have believed reading such in The Economist. I would have missed it if it wasn't for some New Yorker article (Big News from Blighty) that practically claimed Miliband already won. A bit early if you ask me. There's some interesting part here:
In its manifesto, Labour promised to raise the top income-tax rate from forty-five per cent to fifty per cent. (The income threshold for being subjected to this tax would be about two hundred and twenty-five thousand dollars a year.) Labour also pledged to introduce a “mansion tax” on houses valued at more than three million dollars, of which there are many in London, in particular. And the Party promised to crack down on wealthy people who live in the United Kingdom but claim official residence elsewhere, to avoid paying their full share of British taxes—the so-called non-doms, as in non-domiciled. Opinion polls suggest that the idea of cracking down on rich tax avoiders, who include some of Britain’s top business leaders, is particularly popular. It was after Miliband announced the new policy, a couple of weeks ago, that Labour first moved ahead in the polls. But the other two tax proposals, and the way that Labour is selling them, are equally important. Rather than just announcing the new taxes in isolation, the Party is saying explicitly what the monies they raise would be used for. In pledging to restore the top tax rate to fifty per cent—the current government had lowered it—Labour said that it would use the proceeds to cut the tax rate paid by low earners to ten per cent. According to a poll carried out by YouGov last week, fifty-nine per cent of the public supports this policy and twenty-seven per cent opposes it. In announcing that it would introduce a new tax on luxury homes, Labour said that it would pay for new nurses and doctors in the N.H.S. Sixty-one per cent of voters said they liked this proposal; twenty-seven per cent said they didn’t. It’s worth pointing out that some of the Conservative Party’s policy proposals also proved popular in the poll, particularly its ideas to relieve people who earn minimum wage of having to pay income tax, and to place a limit on the total value of welfare benefits that a household can receive in a year. But, YouGov concluded, over all, “British people give better marks to Labour’s policy offerings.” wrote:

Can't say that's exactly what I experience, most people I know seem to be on the fence on most of the topics raised during the campaign.
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Hmmm, I'm not sure how it is in Britain, but over here the kids are increasingly more right-wing. So the old adage of being a socialist at 20 doesn't really apply any more.
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