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Presidente de los Estados Unidos?
Donald "Grab 'Em By The Pushay" Trump
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Hillary "Delete *click* Delete *click* Delete *click*" Clinton
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PostSubject: U.S. Presidential Clusterfuckathon 2016   Sat Oct 29, 2016 10:32 am

10 days to go.

With the FBI's re-opening of its investigation into Clinton's emails, it's still anyone's game. I, for one, think the 'Brexit effect' will be strong. Also, in an environment of voluntary voting, it's those with the more enthusiasm for changing the status quo that are more likely to go out and vote.
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PostSubject: Re: U.S. Presidential Clusterfuckathon 2016   Sat Oct 29, 2016 2:06 pm

I haven't been following all that closely, so I'm ashamed to say I'm not informed about what's so important about Clinton's emails (if someone can enlighten me, that would be swell!). I will say, however, that I think Clinton will nab it, simply so that the US can announce their first female president.
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PostSubject: Re: U.S. Presidential Clusterfuckathon 2016   Sat Oct 29, 2016 2:44 pm

It's not an issue I've paid close attention to, but to summarise it, Clinton used a private email server during her time as Secretary of State and later deleted 30,000+ emails. Bit suss etc.

If Trump really sinks the boot in the next days and doesn't have any fuckups of his own (a tall order perhaps), enough erstwhile Clinton voters could sit it out and give Don a narrow win.
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PostSubject: Re: U.S. Presidential Clusterfuckathon 2016   Sat Oct 29, 2016 6:52 pm

Oh right... Well it's really anyone's guess then.
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PostSubject: Re: U.S. Presidential Clusterfuckathon 2016   Sun Oct 30, 2016 12:49 pm

I'd posit that just about any Democratic candidate other than the one who was anointed would be cruising to a landslide win. Obama's approval ratings are in the 50's, so there's really no real reason why the Democrats couldn't retain the White House. Joe feckin Biden could've won this. Alas for them, money and identity politics trumped (heh) common sense and now they stand a decent chance of losing to a reality TV star.
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PostSubject: Re: U.S. Presidential Clusterfuckathon 2016   Mon Oct 31, 2016 2:21 am

All my rellies in the States are backing Trump.

I've never liked Hillary. A political history that's too immersed in lies and scandal after scandal and a track record that I can wipe my ass with. She promised New York 200,00 jobs, never happened.

Without googling, can anyone list her accomplishments as Secretary of State? You might need a piece of paper about the size of a postage stamp. The world is not a safer place compared to 8 years ago.

Trump has his flaws and might have a potty mouth but I prefer him to a congenital liar.
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PostSubject: Re: U.S. Presidential Clusterfuckathon 2016   Mon Oct 31, 2016 12:13 pm

bitchcraft wrote:

Without googling, can anyone list her accomplishments as Secretary of State?

She made Muammar Gaddafi look good.
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PostSubject: Re: U.S. Presidential Clusterfuckathon 2016   Mon Oct 31, 2016 12:33 pm

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It's not an issue I've paid close attention to, but to summarise it, Clinton used a private email server during her time as Secretary of State and later deleted 30,000+ emails. Bit suss etc.

If Trump really sinks the boot in the next days and doesn't have any fuckups of his own (a tall order perhaps), enough erstwhile Clinton voters could sit it out and give Don a narrow win.


#1 She didn't use a state.gov account to conduct official business.
#2 She used a personal email account to handle government business.
#3 She set up a private, personal, "unsecured" server outside of official channels and hid it in her home to handle her emails.
#4 The man hired to run her server did not have appropriate security clearance to handle classified, sensitive information; he was not vetted or screened by the FBI
#5 By running her own server she made herself the guardian and the gatekeeper of determining what was a business email and what was a personal email. In essence she was the proverbial fox guarding the hen-house; it was a conflict of interest. Those State emails belong to the people. She has no right to set up a private server and then install herself as the person who decides what gets turned over to the State department after she resigns from her job.

#6 She transmitted CLASSIFIED and  TOP SECRET information through an unsecured server, despite claiming that she hadn't. Some of the information was so sensitive even the FBI investigators didn't have top-level clearance to read what was transmitted.
#7 19 different devices were used by her (on loan from the State Department) that were never returned; 2 were destroyed with a hammer by Jake Sullivan(?) her deputy.
#8 She used "Bleach Bit" to try and destroy any trace of the emails on her server
#9 She tried to delete/destroy thousands of work-related emails that she claimed were personal but were not.

All of this was in an effort to keep the American people from holding their politicians accountable; she didn't want an official record of her time as Sec.of State that she wasn't in full control of. That meant she had to set up her own server and control her own flow of information. On top of all that, I fully believe she wanted to hide a lot of what the Clinton Foundation was doing, which was essentially selling future political influence to foreign countries on the premise that she'd eventually become President.

She should have been indicted back in July, but I felt Comey tried to have a King Solomon moment and split the baby in half; essentially claiming there wasn't enough to prosecute her criminally with, but accusing her of gross negligence. I believe he's since had second thoughts. She was absolutely corrupt and guilty and he could have pressed harder to get a criminal indictment. I think he let her off back in July, but he's going to bring the hammer down on her this time. No way is he going to open up this inquiry again, only to walk away from it again and say there's nothing to file charges with.

And yes, this whole thing makes Watergate look like child's play.

She should be doing prison time right now. Lesser state employees have gotten far worse for doing a mere fraction of what she's tried to pull off.  

Let us not forget that Sandy Bugler, a security advisor to President Clinton, went into the National Archives after 9/11 and shoved top secret, classified documents down his pants and then walked out with them:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/09/08/berger.sentenced/

This isn't exactly Hillary's first rodeo.
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PostSubject: Re: U.S. Presidential Clusterfuckathon 2016   Tue Nov 01, 2016 10:16 am

CJB wrote:
bitchcraft wrote:

Without googling, can anyone list her accomplishments as Secretary of State?

She made Muammar Gaddafi look good.

That can fit on a stamp for sure.
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PostSubject: Re: U.S. Presidential Clusterfuckathon 2016   Mon Nov 07, 2016 4:45 pm

Can't believe that this will be over within 48 hours. Has there ever been a more entertaining political contest than the one we've been watching for the last 18 months?
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PostSubject: Re: U.S. Presidential Clusterfuckathon 2016   Mon Nov 07, 2016 9:20 pm

I don't think so.

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PostSubject: Re: U.S. Presidential Clusterfuckathon 2016   Tue Nov 08, 2016 6:20 am

There's a burger joint here in Belfast offering a Trump Burger 'the one thing that might finally shut him up' - it's 'unbelievably rich' (2 patties), and is topped with 'the Donald's hair' (tobacco onions), 'the salty tears of foreigners' (streaky bacon) and 'American greatness' (cheese).

And you can add a 'wall of fries'.
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PostSubject: Re: U.S. Presidential Clusterfuckathon 2016   Tue Nov 08, 2016 9:38 am

That's fantastic! laugh
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PostSubject: Re: U.S. Presidential Clusterfuckathon 2016   Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:10 pm

Well... this is rather momentous.
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PostSubject: Re: U.S. Presidential Clusterfuckathon 2016   Wed Nov 09, 2016 7:46 pm

It's official, President #45 will be Donald J. Trump.

My reading of this is that Reagan-style conservatism is officially dead (1980-2016). The GOP base will no longer tolerate the notion of untrammeled free trade, an activist foreign policy, and anything less than a hard-line on immigration.

Of course, this is space the supposed party of the working class could've occupied, but their focus has been on appeasing donors and dull, rehashed identity politics. I suspect America's white working class has abandoned the party of FDR for good today.
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PostSubject: Re: U.S. Presidential Clusterfuckathon 2016   Thu Nov 10, 2016 12:23 am

Oh, dear God.

It's been lovely knowing you all. Save me a spot in the fallout shelter, won't you?
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PostSubject: Re: U.S. Presidential Clusterfuckathon 2016   Thu Nov 10, 2016 1:07 am

Between this and Brexit it is the year of stupid election outcomes.....although in fairness in this case I don't think there was a real winning option for the US.
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PostSubject: Re: U.S. Presidential Clusterfuckathon 2016   Thu Nov 10, 2016 10:39 am

I suspect Jay Seven will be leaving the FEMA camp shortly.
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PostSubject: Re: U.S. Presidential Clusterfuckathon 2016   Thu Nov 10, 2016 11:19 am

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Oh, dear God.

It's been lovely knowing you all. Save me a spot in the fallout shelter, won't you?

To be fair, the other person also would've likely led to a fallout shelter scenario. At least now it will be a tremendous fallout shelter, a yuuge one where you'll win so much you'll grow tired of winning. ROTFLMAO
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PostSubject: Re: U.S. Presidential Clusterfuckathon 2016   Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:40 pm

It's interesting how so many people are shocked that Trump won. Clearly the majority voted in his favour, so I'm not sure why everyone is so surprised.

Granted, I am only getting my info from television in a country far, far away from the US, and we all know how the media manipulates information.
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PostSubject: Re: U.S. Presidential Clusterfuckathon 2016   Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:15 pm

I can proudly say that I called it early in the year, on the assumption that Clinton would be the Democrat nominee. Sanders would've been a different story, as he had a better chance of hanging on to the white working class.
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PostSubject: Re: U.S. Presidential Clusterfuckathon 2016   Thu Nov 10, 2016 4:39 pm

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It's interesting how so many people are shocked that Trump won. Clearly the majority voted in his favour, so I'm not sure why everyone is so surprised.

Granted, I am only getting my info from television in a country far, far away from the US, and we all know how the media manipulates information.

The media here in the U.S. seem like they are in an existential daze about the whole thing. They really underestimated and even scoffed at how angry the working class is in this country especially in the rust belt which handed him this election. They didn't take Sanders rise as a sign of what was to come and the Democrats thought it was a good idea running with an establishment bore like Hillary who blew it with things like this little speech.



Did she really think she could win "coal country" states like Pennsylvania when she's literally telling people in that part of the U.S. she'll put them out of work? When people are just trying to put food on the table they're not going to risk everything on an environmental policy gamble.
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PostSubject: Re: U.S. Presidential Clusterfuckathon 2016   Fri Nov 11, 2016 5:51 am

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Blunt Instrument wrote:
Oh, dear God.

It's been lovely knowing you all. Save me a spot in the fallout shelter, won't you?

To be fair, the other person also would've likely led to a fallout shelter scenario. At least now it will be a tremendous fallout shelter, a yuuge one where you'll win so much you'll grow tired of winning. ROTFLMAO

'I have post-apocalyptic survival plans, and let me tell you that they're just the best plans. The BEST plans'.

'Can we have details, Mr President?'

'Ummm ... '
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PostSubject: Re: U.S. Presidential Clusterfuckathon 2016   Fri Nov 11, 2016 8:11 am

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'I have post-apocalyptic survival plans, and let me tell you that they're just the best plans. The BEST plans'.

'Can we have details, Mr President?'

'Ummm ... '    

'I'm gonna build a bunker and make the apocalypse pay for it.'

'But sir, that's impossi ... '

'Shut up. I'm making destruction great again.'
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PostSubject: Re: U.S. Presidential Clusterfuckathon 2016   Fri Nov 11, 2016 9:15 am

Congrats to Trump.

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