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Yeah, what about those who are lying? What happened to 'innocent until...'?
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I believe that's from her follow-up statement in which she was doing damage control.

Do you agree with Lena Dunham that all women should be believed regardless of what they say? Until recently that would be regarded as evidence of mental illness not wisdom.

Believed, no, heard yes. Those two are not quite the same thing.

My objection to Lena Dunhum in this case is her hypocrisy of saying one thing and then doing another once it becomes inconvenient to uphold the standards she applies to others.
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I don't know John Oliver but he's getting his knickers in a twist when he - as he admits - isn't the victim. The fact he says that he's not happy with Hoffman's response because it doesn't seem like the sort of response the incident warrants is very telling to the obsequious attitude the media has to this topic. Hoffman handled himself very well here and don't think he should have been persecuted like this.
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John Oliver is a sanctimonious outrage merchant. Picture a less funny Jon Stewart after he's swallowed a turn-of-the-century London chimney sweep. Ironically, he'd likely be out a job if Trump wasn't around to give him weekly hyperventilation material.
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Paul Haggis is the latest accused. Can't say I'm surprised. Anyone with his level of self-righteousness can't be trusted.

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/jan/05/paul-haggis-sexual-misconduct-allegations-crash-director
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More about Gemma than anything else.
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Aah Paul Haggis. His biggest crime to date might be "Crash" and the Academy awarded him the Oscar for that. ROTFLMAO
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Casino Royale takes the cake in my opinion.

But Crash was as bad as Battle of the Sexes.
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I'm perpetually surprised at the clout that Lena Dunham seems to have behind the scenes.
Now she more or less appears to have forced Tessa Thompson into a public apology after Thompson accused Dunham of only showing up to the #MeToo photo op and not doing much else.
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On this score, the attitudes on the Continent are more sensible than those found in the Anglosphere with its never ending, quasi-Puritanical moral panics; notwithstanding Macaroni's curious crusade against wolf-whistling.
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The problem with both sides of this debate is the conflating of a wide array of behavior, going from rude remarks, over unwanted touching all the way to sexual assault and rape. That unfortunate aspect of it makes the #MeToo camp look hysterical at times and the anti-Metoo camp as borderline rape apologists. Which I don't believe was the intention of either of those sides.

It would be nice if everything wasn't lumped together in one big pile, but seems like that horse has already bolted the stables.

"Squeal on your pig" is a very poor translation of "balance ton porc", BTW.
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The problem with both sides of this debate is the conflating of a wide array of behavior, going from rude remarks, over unwanted touching all the way to sexual assault and rape.

Except rape is - and has long been - criminalised. Things are better summed up by the old quote:

“conservatives can hear five octaves of music, but liberals respond to just two, within which they have become particularly discerning.”

If Weinstein could have been easily stopped had one of those women reported his crime to the police, I very much doubt he could have thrived in his predatory behavior for several decades.
The reality isn't quite as simple as that.
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If Weinstein could have been easily stopped had one of those women reported his crime to the police, I very much doubt he could have thrived in his predatory behavior for several decades.
The reality isn't quite as simple as that.

You and I know this stopped being about Weinstein a long time ago. This is part of the general attack on what badly educated women/sheep call 'toxic masculinity'.

It depends on which accusations you are talking about. Weinstein isn't the only one accused of rape.

Anyway, in an ideal world, none of this has to be done via (social) media. In the same tack, in an ideal world, none of these men get away with their behavior for several decades.

I also still have to be convinced how severe the consequences will be for the accused. I keep coming back to the fact that Mel Gibson was nominated for an Oscar last year and how unthinkable that seemed not too long ago.
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