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PostSubject: Re: Hollywoodies.   Mon Nov 06, 2017 12:27 am

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Alec Baldwin has already begun storm preparations. His agents have told him to get out there and start talking about how he has changed and been transformed and to admit he bullied women. So clearly there's something out there they are afraid is about to his.

I did find this odd. Don't know if it's a publicity stunt, a blanket apology or a statement he made because of some whacky fear-of-missing-out predisposition. 

I'm waiting for some Johnny Depp and Mickey Rourke allegations to pop up.

Didn't he already have his domestic violence episode?
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PostSubject: Re: Hollywoodies.   Mon Nov 06, 2017 12:33 am

Allegedly. But I'm waiting for the sexual assault allegations from way back when.
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PostSubject: Re: Hollywoodies.   Mon Nov 06, 2017 1:25 am

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PostSubject: Re: Hollywoodies.   Mon Nov 06, 2017 1:58 am

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Didn't he already have his domestic violence episode?
Was he beaten by Amber Heard?

I don't recall the details, but didn't Heard's camp release a video that didn't paint him in a great light?
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PostSubject: Re: Hollywoodies.   Mon Nov 06, 2017 2:05 am

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PostSubject: Re: Hollywoodies.   Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:52 am

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I have to admit that I hadn't heard any of the Bryan Singer rumors until this avalanche of accusations started.

Singer and some others on the set of APT PUPIL were sued for the way treated minors who were part of the shower scene. The whole thing seemed shady; minors who had not signed nudity waivers with their parents were then told to take off their clothes and they weren't allowed to use the flesh color sock(?)/briefs. Forced to stay on set nude. Parents not allowed near the set (though I wouldn't want my parents watching my nude scene anyway). Accusations of Singer and others leering at the male teens nude.

Utlimately the suit went away, but if you Google Singer's name you'll find a lot of pictures with him holding young men, grabbing young men..some really creepy stuff.

Then Singer got sued again 3 years ago, but that suit got dropped in part because of the instability of the accuser.

New accusations have come out today, but hadn't had chance to read them.

Singer may have had nothing but legal encounters with everyone of these guys. They could all very well be 18+. However, when you like them as young as he does, chances are you're going to get someone who claims to be over 18 but isn't, and that's where some of his legal problems may come into play. Happened to Rob Lowe back in the late 80's. Met a woman at a nightclub in Atlanta. Got in with a fake id, went back to Rob's hotel, videotaped the encounter, took off with videotape, and Rob got arrested. Turns out she was only 16.
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PostSubject: Re: Hollywoodies.   Tue Nov 07, 2017 7:41 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Hollywoodies.   Tue Nov 07, 2017 7:56 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Hollywoodies.   Tue Nov 07, 2017 8:06 pm

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Occasionally people get a glimpse of how the world really runs and it scares them.

I'm more interested in Weinstein's former aides and their roles in furthering his alleged activities. Much seems routine - planned - rather than opportunistic.

I can't imagine that this kind of behavior is the rule and not the exception for Hollywood producers/executives.

Not the sexual predatory stuff, but having an entire support network in place to keep your victims in check.
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PostSubject: Re: Hollywoodies.   Tue Nov 07, 2017 8:16 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Hollywoodies.   Tue Nov 07, 2017 9:44 pm

So basically they are responsible for the modern version of the tasks attributed to studio security back in the Silver and Golden Ages of Hollywood?
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PostSubject: Re: Hollywoodies.   Tue Nov 07, 2017 9:59 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Hollywoodies.   Tue Nov 07, 2017 10:26 pm

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Possibly. Just been reading Marilyn's shelved autobiography (actually written by Ben Hecht) in which she describes Hollywood as 'an overcrowded brothel, a merry-go-round with beds for horses' and you're struck by how little has changed. My favourite passage relates to how someone tried to recruit her to fuck a 71-year-old millionaire to death.  laugh


Eh? What was in it for the person who was trying to recruit her for that? ROTFLMAO

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PostSubject: Re: Hollywoodies.   Tue Nov 07, 2017 10:32 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Hollywoodies.   Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:49 pm

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Eh? What was in it for the person who was trying to recruit her for that? ROTFLMAO

50/50 split of the inheritance. I can think of much worse ways to go ...

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ObiR-HRoqeMC&pg=PA50&dq=Mr+Lazlo+took+my+hand+monroe&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjywISupqzXAhURM8AKHTaOA8EQ6AEIKDAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

As I recall, this was more or less turned into a scene in the 1990s Michael J. Fox vehicle "Greedy", with Kirk Douglas in the role of Mr. Lazlo's unnamed millionaire and Olivia d'Abo in the Monroe role.
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PostSubject: Re: Hollywoodies.   Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:05 am

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PostSubject: Re: Hollywoodies.   Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:32 am

Hecht's CR sounds light years better than the '06 film. However, I don't understand why Bond needed to be directly responsible for Le Chiffre trying to win back his lost funds. This version is admittedly much more palatable. 

I do wonder what would have happened post DAD if the CR had previously been made. 

Interesting that a Hamburg car chase, driving around the Swiss Alps, an eye-patched villain and the car crushing scene all turned up in later Bond films.
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PostSubject: Re: Hollywoodies.   Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:45 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Hollywoodies.   Thu Nov 09, 2017 12:15 am

Hmmm.

Of course all of this would not be an issue if the likes of Weinstein, Toback, ... had been dealt with by the proper authorities ages ago.

I agree that the idea of chaperones is idiotic, but the tenure of that piece seems to be that women are overreacting.

In the case of actual serial sexual predators, they obviously are not.

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Earlier this month, the writer Helen Rosner published a guide to ‘20 things men can do to support women, beyond just literally ceasing to sexually harass us’. It included suggestions for men such as ‘seek out women to be your heroes’, ‘talk less. At all times’ and consume ‘ethical’ porn made by women, queer people and people of colour. I wonder what Luther would have made of that.

Nonsense like this is of course idiotic and will do nothing to really make any one woman safer. But that's not what I have interpreted the backlash against (in some cases) decades-long unpunished and unchecked predatory behavior that included serial sexual assault and rape to be about. The motives of (most of) the women who have come forward seems to be to have the men who have wronged them finally face some sort of consequence for their actions.
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PostSubject: Re: Hollywoodies.   Thu Nov 09, 2017 12:17 am

On the subject of women's-only carriages on trains, which is mentioned in passing in that piece, I have read several radical feminist women who are vehemently against the idea.
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PostSubject: Re: Hollywoodies.   Thu Nov 09, 2017 12:18 am

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The old feminist trope says that it is not a woman’s responsibility to worry about her own safety; it is a man’s job not to harass her. Yet women are clearly taking increasingly extreme measures to protect themselves because a small number of vocal campaigners are telling us that all our worst fears about men are true — and we must take action. And if this means reinstating old-fashioned segregation at the expense of hard-won freedoms, so be it.

To be honest, this is perhaps the thing I most disagree with in the piece.
Women do not need campaigners, almost every adult women (and quite a few non-adult ones) will have lived experience that suggests they are not always safe in the company of men.
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PostSubject: Re: Hollywoodies.   Thu Nov 09, 2017 12:24 am

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PostSubject: Re: Hollywoodies.   Thu Nov 09, 2017 2:18 am

That seems a bit hysterical as a point of view in response to the denunciation of life-long predators like Harvey Weinstein or James Toback.

It takes an Evel Knievel worthy leap of logic to go from "perhaps serial sexual predators should be held accountable for their actions?" to "fuck all men!".
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PostSubject: Re: Hollywoodies.   Thu Nov 09, 2017 3:52 am

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/robert-knepper-accused-sexual-assault-by-veteran-costume-designer-1055914

Another day, another accusation.
Though in this specific case, the woman claims that the Weinstein revelations are not the catalyst for her telling this story after all these years.

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PostSubject: Re: Hollywoodies.   Thu Nov 09, 2017 3:56 am

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