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PostSubject: When PC culture goes too far   Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:08 am

https://twitter.com/EverydaySexism/status/932911409855418374

This is frankly embarrassing.

I think the Pinarello ad is perfectly reasonable.
If your male significant other is an experienced cyclist, simple biology does suggest that you will struggle to keep up with him.
So either he has to match your pace if you go cycling together, or you can make up for the difference with an electrical bike.

The criticism seems to be that there are women out there who can keep up with the men. Sure, but the average woman is not Marianne Vos.
Calling stuff like this sexism makes it harder to call out real instances of sexism in media and elsewhere.
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PostSubject: Re: When PC culture goes too far   Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:48 am

Comme on fait son lit, on se couche. Or something like that.

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PostSubject: Re: When PC culture goes too far   Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:16 pm

Feminism that has no basis in lived reality is counterproductive imho.
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PostSubject: Re: When PC culture goes too far   Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:43 pm

Counterproductive is one way of putting it. Without males things might be softer, but there would be no science, art or fire either. As the lovely Camille succinctly it, 'There is no female Mozart because there is no female Jack the Ripper'.

I realise the spermbanks are overflowing, but it might be worth thinking twice before eliminating us. We make intelligent pets and might still be useful when you need some shelving putting up.
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PostSubject: Re: When PC culture goes too far   Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:42 pm

Erica Ambler wrote:

I realise the spermbanks are overflowing, but it might be worth thinking twice before eliminating us. We make intelligent pets and might still be useful when you need some shelving putting up.

laugh

It's amazing the extent that people will falsify the truth and bullshit themselves.
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PostSubject: Re: When PC culture goes too far   Sat Nov 25, 2017 9:52 am

Erica Ambler wrote:
Without males things might be softer, but there would be no science, art or fire either.
 
Really? None at all?

Erica Ambler wrote:
it might be worth thinking twice before eliminating us.
I wouldn't say the average feminist is interested in eliminating men, maybe the uber-militant ones, at a push. I'd also argue there are plenty of misogynists out there who would happily eliminate women. It's not all one-sided, you know.

Erica Ambler wrote:
We make intelligent pets
There's less cleaning up to do with my dog.

Erica Ambler wrote:
might still be useful when you need some shelving putting up.
Sometimes the things said in jest are the most revealing. I don't need you to put up any shelving. I'll probably do a better job of that myself (I'd like you to take the bins out though). The thing we really still need men for and will never be able to replicate in any way is that you're men. You're just different, and a dildo is no substitute.
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PostSubject: Re: When PC culture goes too far   Wed Nov 29, 2017 9:34 pm

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Erica Ambler wrote:
Without males things might be softer, but there would be no science, art or fire either.
 
Really? None at all?

No, not really - it's an opinion, not a fact, and it’s not even mine. It’s a paraphrase of Camille Paglia on the extremes of men; - ‘There is no female Mozart because there is no female Jack the Ripper’, which is not a compliment. Paglia also opined, ‘If civilisation had been left in female hands, we would still be living in grass huts’, so she sees both sides of the debate.

Paglia is riffing on the finding that males have more outliers than females; the extremes of both brilliance and stupidity are more likely to be found in men than women. It seems that extra percentage point builds and destroys civilisations. Sometimes simultaneously. 

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Erica Ambler wrote:
it might be worth thinking twice before eliminating us.
I wouldn't say the average feminist is interested in eliminating men, maybe the uber-militant ones, at a push. I'd also argue there are plenty of misogynists out there who would happily eliminate women. It's not all one-sided, you know.

I know.

Any serious discussion requires agreement on what misogyny means. Some women describe men who disagree with them as misogynists, which is absurd. And real misogyny is not committed just by men.  

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Erica Ambler wrote:
We make intelligent pets
There's less cleaning up to do with my dog.

Your dog is male. 

Santa wrote:
Erica Ambler wrote:
might still be useful when you need some shelving putting up.
Sometimes the things said in jest are the most revealing. I don't need you to put up any shelving. I'll probably do a better job of that myself (I'd like you to take the bins out though). The thing we really still need men for and will never be able to replicate in any way is that you're men. You're just different, and a dildo is no substitute.

My jokes are cheap, but you get what you pay for. Good to know your dildo has not replaced me  - taking out the bins requires serious compensation.
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PostSubject: Re: When PC culture goes too far   Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:49 pm


Manchester Art Gallery has removed 'Hylas and the Nymphs' by JW Waterhouse. The long march of the joyless feminists continues.

The suffragettes and National Socialism had many members and ideas in common. A hundred years on, 'modern' feminism's puritanism, ignorance, lack of humour and hysteria still makes me shudder.

Next week on Loose Women: book burning followed by a rousing rendition of, 'We are sisters, we are strong'. Led by Owen Jones.


http://manchesterartgallery.org/blog/presenting-the-female-body-challenging-a-victorian-fantasy/
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PostSubject: Re: When PC culture goes too far   Thu Feb 01, 2018 7:25 am

On a similar note:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-01/f1-axes-grid-girls-from-formula-one-races/9381902

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There won't be any so-called "grid girls" at the Australian Grand Prix this year.


  •   F1 says the practice is no longer appropriate or relevant today
  •    Some have applauded the decision as a step in the right direction
  •   Others who have worked as grid girls say they've been put out of a job by feminists


The F1 has decided the long-standing practice is no longer appropriate, and they won't be used at any more Formula One events.

Grid girls normally walk onto the track before the start of a race to stand in front of each driver and hold up their number.

They are usually dressed in tight uniforms.

Anti-tit fascists preventing women from choosing what to do for a living.
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PostSubject: Re: When PC culture goes too far   Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:53 am

Erica Ambler wrote:

Manchester Art Gallery has removed 'Hylas and the Nymphs' by JW Waterhouse. The long march of the joyless feminists continues.

The suffragettes and National Socialism had many members and ideas in common. A hundred years on, 'modern' feminism's puritanism, ignorance, lack of humour and hysteria still makes me shudder.

Next week on Loose Women: book burning followed by a rousing rendition of, 'We are sisters, we are strong'. Led by Owen Jones.


http://manchesterartgallery.org/blog/presenting-the-female-body-challenging-a-victorian-fantasy/

This is pretty bad and serves absolutely no purpose.
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PostSubject: Re: When PC culture goes too far   Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:55 am

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On a similar note:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-01/f1-axes-grid-girls-from-formula-one-races/9381902

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There won't be any so-called "grid girls" at the Australian Grand Prix this year.


  •   F1 says the practice is no longer appropriate or relevant today
  •    Some have applauded the decision as a step in the right direction
  •   Others who have worked as grid girls say they've been put out of a job by feminists


The F1 has decided the long-standing practice is no longer appropriate, and they won't be used at any more Formula One events.

Grid girls normally walk onto the track before the start of a race to stand in front of each driver and hold up their number.

They are usually dressed in tight uniforms.

https://twitter.com/hayleycampbell/status/958385791914438657
Anti-tit fascists preventing women from choosing what to do for a living.

On a related topic:

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The Professional Darts Corporation has decided that walk-on girls are bad and, effective immediately, they’ve cancelled the whole idea. Darts players will just have to walk onto the stage in their big shirts all on their own. “We regularly review all aspects of our events and this move has been made following feedback from our host broadcasters,” said a PDC spokesperson. The Women’s Sport Trust applauded the move. “Motor Racing, Boxing and Cycling... your move,” they said.

It sounds good: the mute girls standing there in pretty dresses are a relic from our sexist past that should be deleted from our lives, like powerful movie producers wanking into pot plants, like actresses trading bleak sex for roles. But maybe not. In an interview with BBC Radio 5 Live soon after the announcement, PDC walk-on girl and model Charlotte Wood said that the darts made up 60% of her income. “I have chosen to do this job. I go to work. I put on a nice dress. I escort darts players to the stage. I smile and that is it.” She doesn’t see what the problem is. It’s an easy gig. She chose to do it.


http://www.esquire.com/uk/life/a15924895/banning-darts-walk-on-girls-is-an-own-goal-for-feminism/

I agree with Hayley Campbell's take here, a decision that limits some women's free life choices is a strange type of feminism.
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PostSubject: Re: When PC culture goes too far   Thu Feb 01, 2018 11:34 am

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a decision that limits some women's free life choices is a strange type of feminism.
But a normal type of fascism.
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PostSubject: Re: When PC culture goes too far   Thu Feb 01, 2018 2:41 pm

The very least the pressure groups who successfully campaigned to get rid of the F1 grid girls and the PDC walk-on girls could do is try to compensate the loss of income of the affected women somewhat. But I doubt that will be their priority.

I'm guessing cycling podium girls will be next? I am acquainted with a woman who did that for a while in second tier races (the so-called semi-classics). Mostly in the early to mid noughties. She perceived it primarily as a fun little pass-time that earned her some pocket money in her early 20s.

I don't see the huge difference in result between a woman being told what she can do by a man and the same woman being told what is deemed acceptable behavior by a feminist pressure group that focuses on this kind of nonsense.
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PostSubject: Re: When PC culture goes too far   Thu Feb 01, 2018 2:56 pm

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I don't see the huge difference in result between a woman being told what she can do by a man and the same woman being told what is deemed acceptable behavior by a feminist pressure group that focuses on this kind of nonsense.

Both are wrong, but financial compensation is far from the feminazi hivemind. It would like such women to hang from the lampposts as enemy collaborators. And, in time, they will.



For many years, I looked on at the alliance between feminists and Muslim fundamentalists with bemusement. Now I can see they are one and the same. As The Neon Demon says, beauty is dangerous. The crazed mind does not just despise beauty it seeks to destroy it.

Selling that sort of mental illness as equality rather than fascism is the ultimate joke.
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PostSubject: Re: When PC culture goes too far   Thu Feb 01, 2018 3:07 pm

The optics of this are pretty bad, but they don't seem to realize that.

It sort of reminds me of the nonsense that Matt Taylor faced for wearing that silly shirt.
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PostSubject: Re: When PC culture goes too far   Thu Feb 01, 2018 3:41 pm

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they don't seem to realize that.
I don't think optics is the word, but no matter. Point is they don't care how this looks. They finally have the power and are starting to use it.

FWIW, there's a surprisingly interesting introduction to group homogeneity on wiki. The complete failure to predict contemporary movements such as Brexit and MAGA because of the so-called experts' almost identical backgrounds (UK capital/US coast), norms and values is mentioned in passing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupthink

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PostSubject: Re: When PC culture goes too far   Thu Feb 01, 2018 4:12 pm

On the subject of the JW Waterhouse painting, the logical extension of that idea is to ban all art that features female nudity. In which case, there won't be a lot left from some eras and artistic movements.
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PostSubject: Re: When PC culture goes too far   Fri Feb 02, 2018 8:48 am



So the F1 grid girls ban and the PDC walk-on girls ban seems to have divided feminists into two camps, with one side seeing it as a purely positive evolution and the other side seeing it as a blatant and unfair limitation of some women's opportunities. I know which side I am on.
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PostSubject: Re: When PC culture goes too far   Fri Feb 02, 2018 9:30 am

An amusing academic paper (not often those words appear in the same sentence) that may have some relevance to feminism's attack on women who use their looks and personailty to get on in life:

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The Effects of Physical Attractiveness on Political Beliefs
Rolfe D. Peterson and Carl L. Palmer

Abstract:
Physical attractiveness is an important social factor that affects our daily interactions. While scholars in social psychology provide evidence that attractiveness stereotypes and the ‘halo effect’ are prominent in affecting the traits we attribute to others, the interest in attractiveness has not directly filtered to questions of political behavior beyond candidates and elites. Utilizing measures of attractiveness across multiple surveys, we examine the relationship between attractiveness and political beliefs. Controlling for socioeconomic status, we find that more attractive individuals are more likely to report higher levels of political efficacy, identify as conservative, and identify as Republican. These findings suggest an additional mechanism for political socialization that holds further implications for understanding how the body intertwines with the social nature of politics.

Keywords; physical attractiveness, socialization, halo effects, efficacy, ideology

https://about.illinoisstate.edu/clpalme/Documents/Peterson%20Palmer%20The%20Effects%20of%20Physical%20Attractiveness%20on%20Political%20Attitudes.pdf

I have to say this bears out my admittedly subjective experience that right-wing women make a better fuck - nothing more miserable than sex with a woman who fears that penetration is undermining her self-worth.
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PostSubject: Re: When PC culture goes too far   Fri Feb 02, 2018 10:30 am

Honestly, if the night gets to the point where you are wondering which party your date votes for, it's probably already ruined. blink
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PostSubject: Re: When PC culture goes too far   Fri Feb 02, 2018 12:29 pm

Salomé wrote:
Honestly, if the night gets to the point where you are wondering which party your date votes for, it's probably already ruined. blink

That was the objective of 'the personal is political' movement. Target achieved.
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PostSubject: Re: When PC culture goes too far   Sat Feb 03, 2018 10:11 am

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Atwood’s crime was to sign a 2016 petition calling for due process in the case of a former University of British Columbia professor accused of sexual misconduct. “If the legal system is bypassed because it is seen as ineffectual, what will take its place?” Atwood wrote last week. “In times of extremes, extremists win. Their ideology becomes a religion, anyone who doesn’t puppet their views is seen as an apostate, a heretic or a traitor, and moderates in the middle are annihilated… The aim of ideology is to eliminate ambiguity.”

https://www.theguardian.com/global/2018/feb/03/actors-condemn-woody-allen-hadley-freeman

When your feminism includes the destruction of Margaret Atwood, you are doing it wrong.
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PostSubject: Re: When PC culture goes too far   Sat Feb 03, 2018 10:47 am

Atwood wrote:
“In times of extremes, extremists win. Their ideology becomes a religion, anyone who doesn’t puppet their views is seen as an apostate, a heretic or a traitor, and moderates in the middle are annihilated… The aim of ideology is to eliminate ambiguity.”

Very much agree with Atwood on that. Any extremist or fundamentalist position ends in the oppression of others regardless of its starting point or intentions.

On that note, having made her point and enjoyed her 15 minutes of fame, the curator at Manchester Art Gallery has put JW Waterhouse's nymphs back up. Whether she was ordered to by the city council I can't say.
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PostSubject: Re: When PC culture goes too far   Sat Feb 03, 2018 11:06 am

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On that note, having made her point and enjoyed her 15 minutes of fame, the curator at Manchester Art Gallery has put JW Waterhouse's nymphs back up. Whether she was ordered to by the city council I can't say.

Well that was a rather pointless "statement". ROTFLMAO
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PostSubject: Re: When PC culture goes too far   Sun Feb 04, 2018 1:33 am

We live in an age where "feelings" - real or imagined (often on behalf a different identity group) - trumps freedom. Feeldamentalism is what it should be called, with an emphasis on "mental."
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