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PostSubject: Does anyone else hate the villain turning good subplot?   Does anyone else hate the villain turning good subplot? EmptyFri Jul 20, 2018 4:36 am

I don't know the villain's name but the guy who decides to disable the nuclear bomb threat, and rescue Domino, just feels like it comes out of nowhere. This character never really was shown how he feels about this terrorist plot to begin with so we never see any gradual change of feelings in him. He just all of a sudden rescues Domino and says that he disabled the nuke.

I really feel there could have been more development on this and give it it's own little subplot, rather than just throwing it in at the last minutes of the climax. But what do you think?
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PostSubject: Re: Does anyone else hate the villain turning good subplot?   Does anyone else hate the villain turning good subplot? EmptyFri Jul 20, 2018 6:31 am

It's not really a subplot, and don't think Thunderball warrants much more exploration into his character than what we're given. Sure, maybe they could have combined his character with another... I digress.

It's pretty simple - he walks in on Largo torturing Domino, and like most humans, he's empathetic enough to free her from such torture. 

He is seen throughout the film - maybe he just needed a few more close ups. Though Thunderball was already running at over 200 minutes in an early cut, from memory.
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PostSubject: Re: Does anyone else hate the villain turning good subplot?   Does anyone else hate the villain turning good subplot? EmptySat Jul 21, 2018 12:07 am

Oh okay, it just felt to me like a deux ex machina character, in that he just comes in and saves the day for the two heroes at the end, when they could have just written it so James saves Domino and stops the bomb himself.
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PostSubject: Re: Does anyone else hate the villain turning good subplot?   Does anyone else hate the villain turning good subplot? EmptySat Jul 21, 2018 12:07 am

Oh okay, it just felt to me like a deux ex machina character, in that he just comes in and saves the day for the two heroes at the end, when they could have just written it so James saves Domino and stops the bomb himself.
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PostSubject: Re: Does anyone else hate the villain turning good subplot?   Does anyone else hate the villain turning good subplot? EmptySat Jul 21, 2018 10:21 pm

what we should think about is how he just disappears at the end. Drowned? Cast adrift and rescued by HMS Rothesay? Or goes on to direct OHMSS.
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PostSubject: Re: Does anyone else hate the villain turning good subplot?   Does anyone else hate the villain turning good subplot? EmptySat Jul 21, 2018 11:40 pm

George Pravda and Peter Hunt were one and the same?
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PostSubject: Re: Does anyone else hate the villain turning good subplot?   Does anyone else hate the villain turning good subplot? EmptySat Jul 21, 2018 11:45 pm

Maybe. Man had to go somewhere.


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PostSubject: Re: Does anyone else hate the villain turning good subplot?   Does anyone else hate the villain turning good subplot? EmptySun Jul 22, 2018 12:39 am

Hilly KCMG wrote:
what we should think about is how he just disappears at the end. Drowned? Cast adrift and rescued by HMS Rothesay? Or goes on to direct OHMSS.

I assume he most likely made it to the rock that the boat crashed into, but yeah, they really should have explained that. It feels like something went wrong during filming and they had to rewrite the climax on the spot or something.
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PostSubject: Re: Does anyone else hate the villain turning good subplot?   Does anyone else hate the villain turning good subplot? EmptySun Jul 22, 2018 1:46 am

Bond gave him a life preserver, for dumping the fuse overboard and freeing Domino so she could kill Largo; what more could he want?
Life was simpler back in his Warsaw laboratory....
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PostSubject: Re: Does anyone else hate the villain turning good subplot?   Does anyone else hate the villain turning good subplot? EmptySun Jul 22, 2018 2:05 am

Well I guess I still feel like he came in as deux ex machina at the last minute, cause he had no real set up. It would be like if in FEYO if Jacoba Brink came in at the last minute to betray the villain, without really being introduced hardly, or if in MR, Jaws betrays Drax, but he was just in the background the whole time, and we never really got to see why the sudden change of heart.
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