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PostSubject: Re: Brosnan: #MeToo shouldn't affect Bond   Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:11 am

Yes please! And just a mission - no more 'this time it's even more personal-er!'
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PostSubject: Re: Brosnan: #MeToo shouldn't affect Bond   Sun Aug 12, 2018 8:03 am

It wouldn't surprise me. EON has always loved the flavor of the month and right now, some very light-hearted action adventures have done very well at the box office ("Guardians of the Galaxy", "Thor: Ragnarok").
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PostSubject: Re: Brosnan: #MeToo shouldn't affect Bond   Sun Aug 12, 2018 9:28 am

Don't get too attached to the idea. We all know (including Craig) that he doesn't fare well with light-heartedness, and after SP, I'm not sure they'd be willing to return to that (fully unaware that it was the script and not the "traditional Bond elements" that failed them).
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PostSubject: Re: Brosnan: #MeToo shouldn't affect Bond   Sun Aug 12, 2018 6:11 pm

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Yes please! And just a mission - no more 'this time it's even more personal-er!'

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It wouldn't surprise me. EON has always loved the flavor of the month and right now, some very light-hearted action adventures have done very well at the box office ("Guardians of the Galaxy", "Thor: Ragnarok").

Hopefully. However, EON, at least since Mike and Babs have gained more influence on the series, seem to favor the more intense and conflicted portrayals that started with Dalton. We've now had 30 years where there's always some personal aspect added to the plot of a Bond film. Even TOMORROW NEVER DIES, the closest the films have gotten back to the old 60s/70s formula, still included a personal aspect with Paris Carver.

To see EON return to the formula of Connery and Moore eras would be a major shift for Mike and Babs.

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Don't get too attached to the idea. We all know (including Craig) that he doesn't fare well with light-heartedness, and after SP, I'm not sure they'd be willing to return to that (fully unaware that it was the script and not the "traditional Bond elements" that failed them).

We were talking about the next Bond actor, not Craig necessarily. I don't doubt Craig's last film will stay relatively in tone with four films he's already made so far. It would be quite a stark contrast to see Craig do a MR type film as his last installment, much as it would be offputting to see Moore do a LTK type film as his swan song. I rather Craig stick to his own strengths and make the best possible version for his era. Then MAYBE Mike and Babs can take a lighthearted approach depending on the actor they pick.
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PostSubject: Re: Brosnan: #MeToo shouldn't affect Bond   Sun Aug 12, 2018 9:11 pm

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Don't get too attached to the idea. We all know (including Craig) that he doesn't fare well with light-heartedness, and after SP, I'm not sure they'd be willing to return to that (fully unaware that it was the script and not the "traditional Bond elements" that failed them).

Oh no, I think Bond 25 will be a very serious film indeed, I meant more the direction they will go into after the DC era ends.
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PostSubject: Re: Brosnan: #MeToo shouldn't affect Bond   Sun Aug 12, 2018 9:46 pm

For some reason I interpreted "next Bond" as the next film.

Ignore me and carry on. colgate

EDIT: Though the latter part of my post still stands. Eon may still want to drop the traditional Bond elements, thinking that it was their (mostly winning) formula that failed SPECTRE.
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PostSubject: Re: Brosnan: #MeToo shouldn't affect Bond   Sun Aug 12, 2018 9:49 pm

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I think Bond 25 will be a very serious film indeed

You’re thinking we’re going to get something worthy of Michael Powell, Hitchock, Bunuel, Kurosawa, de Palma or Tarkovsky? eek

Excellent news.

Here was I thinking we were going to get another virtue-signalling 'Bond-is-a-terrible-person-Bond-is-creepy' Millennial piece of shit.
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PostSubject: Re: Brosnan: #MeToo shouldn't affect Bond   Sun Aug 12, 2018 11:49 pm

I meant serious like "joyless passing for properly dramatic", not actual quality.
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PostSubject: Re: Brosnan: #MeToo shouldn't affect Bond   Mon Aug 13, 2018 8:10 am

Well, yes. Joylessness and false displays of virtue are the age's hersteria so they will undoubtedly define contemporary Bond.

The West's celebration of the mediocre, mentally ill and the ordinary makes many otherwise sensible people turn to Putin for leadership. It's the 1930s all over again.
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PostSubject: Re: Brosnan: #MeToo shouldn't affect Bond   Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:33 am

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The West's celebration of the mediocre, mentally ill and the ordinary makes many otherwise sensible people turn to Putin for leadership. It's the 1930s all over again.

Compared to where?

Good point about the west celebrating the mentally ill - I can think of at least one mentally ill celebrity turning to Putin for leadership...
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PostSubject: Re: Brosnan: #MeToo shouldn't affect Bond   Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:08 am

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The West's celebration of the mediocre, mentally ill and the ordinary makes many otherwise sensible people turn to Putin for leadership. It's the 1930s all over again.

Compared to where?

Hmmm, I was thinking of right here right now. I'm more of a universe than multiverse man.
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PostSubject: Re: Brosnan: #MeToo shouldn't affect Bond   Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:27 am

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Yep. Equality doesn't mean invading an existing franchise and claiming it something else. Equality is developing a separate series of films and books that have the appeal to transcend generations.

Alas, they're not interested in equality. Supremacy and forced subordination of the majority is their game. Making Bond anything he's not supposed to be is one demarche in this civilizational gambit.

Plus he who controls the past controls the future; the left is rewriting fact and fiction, whether historical or James Bond. And it needs to, because reality provides no basis for any of its beliefs.

Just so...
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PostSubject: Re: Brosnan: #MeToo shouldn't affect Bond   Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:29 am

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Except we have Daniel Craig, who's largely been embraced, that doesn't exactly fit the descriptions of Fleming's Bond beyond "white male". We're pretty far from Fleming at this point, so it no longer matters.

We already have a black Felix Leiter. I don't think anyone but the most rigid Bond fans gives a crap.

Blonde hair isn't quite the essential characteristic race is.
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PostSubject: Re: Brosnan: #MeToo shouldn't affect Bond   Mon Aug 13, 2018 4:16 pm

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Except we have Daniel Craig, who's largely been embraced, that doesn't exactly fit the descriptions of Fleming's Bond beyond "white male". We're pretty far from Fleming at this point, so it no longer matters.

We already have a black Felix Leiter. I don't think anyone but the most rigid Bond fans gives a crap.

Blonde hair isn't quite the essential characteristic race is.

Slightly longer hair and and some hair dye would have gone a long way in silencing the naysayers back in 2006.



Still, the writing wasn't there to support him until SF anyway.
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PostSubject: Re: Brosnan: #MeToo shouldn't affect Bond   Mon Aug 13, 2018 5:48 pm

Perilagu Khan wrote:
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Except we have Daniel Craig, who's largely been embraced, that doesn't exactly fit the descriptions of Fleming's Bond beyond "white male". We're pretty far from Fleming at this point, so it no longer matters.

We already have a black Felix Leiter. I don't think anyone but the most rigid Bond fans gives a crap.

Blonde hair isn't quite the essential characteristic race is.

Why though? Hair color and eye color does not matter but skin color does?
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PostSubject: Re: Brosnan: #MeToo shouldn't affect Bond   Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:41 pm

In some ways this conversation is moot as Bond will leave copyright eventually just as Sherlock Holmes did. Then the world can have the trans 007 (licensed to practice homœopathy) we've all been so desperately seeking.
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PostSubject: Re: Brosnan: #MeToo shouldn't affect Bond   Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:49 pm

I just want an actor who exudes enough danger and who can at least pretend he enjoys the womanizing aspect of the character.

I'm reminded of an interview with Sally Field in which she addressed age differences in romantic relationships onscreen. Specifically about how her male co-stars dealt with those. She had an anecdote about Paul Newman actually apologizing to her before any romance scene because he felt uncomfortable at the age difference (he was 21 years older than her).

I mention this story because the way Daniel Craig regarded Léa Seydoux throughout "Spectre" reminded me of that.
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PostSubject: Re: Brosnan: #MeToo shouldn't affect Bond   Mon Aug 13, 2018 8:17 pm

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I just want an actor who exudes enough danger and who can at least pretend he enjoys the womanizing aspect of the character.

Difficult in our age of 20-page consent forms, but that's what I want too.

Bond's colour - hair or skin - is immaterial. iI’s all about the character and Elba is the very definition of Toxic Masculinity. Er, I mean, tall, dark and handsome. Whereas Brozza thought he was gay and Craig despises Bond. And is, as you say, visiibly uncomfortable with younger women.

Elba would be a huge improvement over them. And far closer to how Fleming envisaged Bond in terms of behaviour, virility (now there’s a word you don’t hear very often since women took power), and character.
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PostSubject: Re: Brosnan: #MeToo shouldn't affect Bond   Tue Aug 14, 2018 12:27 am

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iI’s all about the character and Elba is the very definition of Toxic Masculinity. Er, I mean, tall, dark and handsome. Whereas Brozza thought he was gay and Craig despises Bond. And is, as you say, visiibly uncomfortable with younger women.

Regardless of Brosnan's personal life 45+ years ago, this should prove otherwise:

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PostSubject: Re: Brosnan: #MeToo shouldn't affect Bond   Tue Aug 14, 2018 12:59 am

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Except we have Daniel Craig, who's largely been embraced, that doesn't exactly fit the descriptions of Fleming's Bond beyond "white male". We're pretty far from Fleming at this point, so it no longer matters.

We already have a black Felix Leiter. I don't think anyone but the most rigid Bond fans gives a crap.

Blonde hair isn't quite the essential characteristic race is.

Why though? Hair color and eye color does not matter but skin color does?

Race is hardly mere skin color, and at some level you understand this. Skin color, like hair texture and other physical characteristics, are surface markers for something considerably more fundamental and irreducible.
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PostSubject: Re: Brosnan: #MeToo shouldn't affect Bond   Tue Aug 14, 2018 5:26 am

FieldsMan wrote:
Perilagu Khan wrote:
Makeshift Python wrote:
Except we have Daniel Craig, who's largely been embraced, that doesn't exactly fit the descriptions of Fleming's Bond beyond "white male". We're pretty far from Fleming at this point, so it no longer matters.

We already have a black Felix Leiter. I don't think anyone but the most rigid Bond fans gives a crap.

Blonde hair isn't quite the essential characteristic race is.

Slightly longer hair and and some hair dye would have gone a long way in silencing the naysayers back in 2006.



Still, the writing wasn't there to support him until SF anyway.

Like this CR publicity pic -

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PostSubject: Re: Brosnan: #MeToo shouldn't affect Bond   Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:36 pm

Perilagu Khan wrote:
Salomé wrote:
Perilagu Khan wrote:
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Except we have Daniel Craig, who's largely been embraced, that doesn't exactly fit the descriptions of Fleming's Bond beyond "white male". We're pretty far from Fleming at this point, so it no longer matters.

We already have a black Felix Leiter. I don't think anyone but the most rigid Bond fans gives a crap.

Blonde hair isn't quite the essential characteristic race is.

Why though? Hair color and eye color does not matter but skin color does?

Race is hardly mere skin color, and at some level you understand this. Skin color, like hair texture and other physical characteristics, are surface markers for something considerably more fundamental and irreducible.

Does this explain why white people are so timid?
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PostSubject: Re: Brosnan: #MeToo shouldn't affect Bond   Wed Aug 15, 2018 1:16 am

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Perilagu Khan wrote:
Salomé wrote:
Perilagu Khan wrote:
Makeshift Python wrote:
Except we have Daniel Craig, who's largely been embraced, that doesn't exactly fit the descriptions of Fleming's Bond beyond "white male". We're pretty far from Fleming at this point, so it no longer matters.

We already have a black Felix Leiter. I don't think anyone but the most rigid Bond fans gives a crap.

Blonde hair isn't quite the essential characteristic race is.

Why though? Hair color and eye color does not matter but skin color does?

Race is hardly mere skin color, and at some level you understand this. Skin color, like hair texture and other physical characteristics, are surface markers for something considerably more fundamental and irreducible.

Does this explain why white people are so timid?

No. Leftist guilt-tripping explains that. But genetics doubtless goes some distance toward explaining why so many whites become suicidal Leftists to begin with.
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PostSubject: Re: Brosnan: #MeToo shouldn't affect Bond   Wed Aug 15, 2018 2:10 am

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genetics doubtless goes some distance toward explaining why so many whites become suicidal Leftists to begin with.

I don't know much about behavioural genetics, partly because it makes me deeply uneasy. However, my limited reading suggests the scientific focus should be on ancestry rather than race.

I will say my research (and subjective experience) of the differences between men and women suggests the differences are almost entirely innate. Which is unfortunate, as it puts me on collision course with the nurture-not-nature school that completely dominates gender thinking and policy in Western countries.
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PostSubject: Re: Brosnan: #MeToo shouldn't affect Bond   Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:26 am

I'm a lefty.

I guess I'll just kill myself.
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