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PostSubject: Do you think the Bond girls should have switched?   Tue Dec 04, 2018 12:22 pm

I feel that Andrea Anders was a much better Bond girl. It's not saying much cause I think that Mary Goodnight might be my least favorite one in the series possibly, but Andrea is a lot better, with a more interesting backstory, and I feel that Bond should have saved her from her predicament, and that Goodnight should have been the one to die instead.

But what do you think?
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PostSubject: Re: Do you think the Bond girls should have switched?   Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:58 pm

No one wants to see the ditsy blonde die. I mean, except maybe the ice cream-licker in FYEO.
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PostSubject: Re: Do you think the Bond girls should have switched?   Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:55 am

It had to be Goodnight that survived. 'Anders, Sir!' would've been a lacklustre final gag.
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PostSubject: Re: Do you think the Bond girls should have switched?   Wed Dec 05, 2018 8:51 am

Or the filmmakers could have just switched the characters' surnames around if they really wanted that final gag.
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PostSubject: Re: Do you think the Bond girls should have switched?   Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:07 pm

Mary Goodnight is lifted from Fleming's novels and she works for MI6, initially as Bond's secretary before assisting him in the field in TMWTGG. Though Ekland's Goodnight deviates from her literary counterpart (as does the film in general), I assume the filmmakers wanted to ensure some things stayed faithful to the novel.

Have you tried reading the novels yet, ironpony? Some of your answers might be there, and they'd also give you something else to discuss here.
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PostSubject: Re: Do you think the Bond girls should have switched?   Wed Dec 05, 2018 1:26 pm

Well since the novels are so different from the movies, I didn't think I should use them to justify certain decisions made in the movies, if that makes sense.
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PostSubject: Re: Do you think the Bond girls should have switched?   Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:28 am

Luckily for you, the decisions have already been made. wink
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PostSubject: Re: Do you think the Bond girls should have switched?   Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:12 pm

Like a lot of Moore's films, they simply used concepts and names of characters, then went into whatever direction they wanted, which is fine if it pays off. I like the idea of Bond and Goodnight already having a history and how he's kind of not all that into her. It's a fresh dynamic, though they drop that mid-way when Bond decides he can probably sleep with her. In the end TMWTGG feels like two different screenplays conflicting with each other, which was the case behind the scenes with Mankiewicz and Maibaum having totally different approaches.
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PostSubject: Re: Do you think the Bond girls should have switched?   Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:33 am

It's been said that the screenplay's inclusion of the then-current energy crisis has badly dated the movie in ways that other Bonds don't suffer from as much.
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PostSubject: Re: Do you think the Bond girls should have switched?   Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:49 am

I thought that the energy crisis that Scaramanga wanted to cash in on, was not very well explained. Like he is the worlds greatest assassin, but then all of a sudden he is interested in this energy crisis. Was it really explained why all that much, or did I miss something?
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PostSubject: Re: Do you think the Bond girls should have switched?   Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:48 pm

It's Maibaum trying to make Bond relevant for the 70s, as there was the fear that Bond films wouldn't last beyond the 60s. This is why Bond has hopped on so many trends since then as a way of keeping up with the times to remain appealing to audiences.
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PostSubject: Re: Do you think the Bond girls should have switched?   Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:55 pm

Undoubtedly yes since Goodnight was thrown away as a horrible buffoon character who is so horridly written that even her bum becomes a plot point. That said Andrea's death pose is still iconic to me and hauntingly striking-and her demise establishes Scaramanga's coldnesss-AND has an element of classical Greek tragedy to it.

The energy crisis is still with us in ways and I've always felt this aspect of TMWTGG has never dated. It would still work as a money making scheme in today's world because there has never been proper advancement of alternative energy sources. What wasn't detailed well was the whole Scarmanaga-Hai Fat connection and the exact nature of their business dealings.
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PostSubject: Re: Do you think the Bond girls should have switched?   Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:55 am

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The energy crisis is still with us in ways and I've always felt this aspect of TMWTGG has never dated. It would still work as a money making scheme in today's world because there has never been proper advancement of alternative energy sources.

This is true. Every second day we get phone calls about installing more solar panels on our roof.

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What wasn't detailed well was the whole Scarmanaga-Hai Fat connection and the exact nature of their business dealings.

Yep. What could have been if they decided to release TMWTGG in '75. Another year would have ironed out a lot of crinkles.
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PostSubject: Re: Do you think the Bond girls should have switched?   Mon Dec 10, 2018 2:53 pm

Even more enticing is the unused Maibaum TSWLM draft with the usage of modern day terrorists overtaking SPECTRE. Now that would have been a departure and a darker turn long before FYEO.
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PostSubject: Re: Do you think the Bond girls should have switched?   Mon Dec 10, 2018 3:22 pm

Indeed. Does a treatment/script exist? I've only read about the original drafts/outlines but not the manuscript itself.
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