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PostSubject: Re: Keeping Bond And Beyond alive   Mon Nov 28, 2011 6:45 am

Got there ahead of you, he has tacked onto MI6 Community, chaps.
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PostSubject: Re: Keeping Bond And Beyond alive   Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:01 am

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Kennon wrote:
Done. Please delete my profile, thank you.

Mind the doorknob on the way out, son.
What have you got against Kennon?

I'm not gonna ask you to stay, Kennon, but feel free to stick around. I've enjoyed your presence here.
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PostSubject: Re: Keeping Bond And Beyond alive   Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:06 am

All of this is getting us nowhere. Everyone has the right to post what they want, well as far as Bond goes definitely. If people are sceptical, it's their right to be. If people are positive, that's also their right. If people disagree so vehemently with any other members, all they need do is stay out of their way, and especially try to avoid getting into heated debates with them. There's no need for people to either start leaving or feel pressured into doing so.
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PostSubject: Re: Keeping Bond And Beyond alive   Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:10 am

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Perilagu Khan wrote:
Kennon wrote:
Done. Please delete my profile, thank you.

Mind the doorknob on the way out, son.
What have you got against Kennon?

I'm not gonna ask you to stay, Kennon, but feel free to stick around. I've enjoyed your presence here.

TBH I like Kennon, and even 6of1 and Bob Dudley too, but only when they're not posting mean-spirited, passive aggressive snark. Sadly that's been more and more common these days, hence my frustration.
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PostSubject: Re: Keeping Bond And Beyond alive   Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:12 am

I'm in complete agreement with M. In this particular instance I don't agree with Kennon or RobDudley's comments, but I don't see that as any reason for them to leave. I think a visit to Baker Street might help relax the tension.
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PostSubject: Re: Keeping Bond And Beyond alive   Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:22 am

I see I'm getting mentioned here, entirely undeserved far as I understand. Sorry if I've been passive aggressive snarky lately (What's that by the way, a new brand of an old kink?), I'll try to be less so. Or more so, depending on what is the current fashion of passive aggressive snarkyness; not quite sure there.
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PostSubject: Re: Keeping Bond And Beyond alive   Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:24 am

That's right, children. Play nicely. Make love not war.
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PostSubject: Re: Keeping Bond And Beyond alive   Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:25 am

That's very kind of you, Santa. Shall we form a queue or would you prefer a free for all?
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PostSubject: Re: Keeping Bond And Beyond alive   Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:29 am

Free? I don't think so.
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PostSubject: Re: Keeping Bond And Beyond alive   Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:41 am

Sharky wrote:


TBH I like Kennon, and even 6of1 and Bob Dudley too, but only when they're not posting mean-spirited, passive aggressive snark. Sadly that's been more and more common these days, hence my frustration.

but replying in kind probably doesn't help the situation?
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PostSubject: Re: Keeping Bond And Beyond alive   Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:48 am

To be honest, I think there's a fairly even argument on both sides at the moment as far as Bond goes, and it hasn't been helped by the recent press conference. For the sceptical among us, EON just confirmed a lot of stuff we already knew or suspected (the title, the potential same-as-before "more serious" tone, a potential "big last stand" for Judi Dench, no confirmation of either Q or Moneypenny returning or anything else from the "golden years"), while for the less sceptical among us (perhaps those who perfectly enjoyed the last two Bond films), the conference may have simply confirmed a lot of what they were hoping for. It's an understandable cause of division, but hopefully one which members here won't fall out over.

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PostSubject: Re: Keeping Bond And Beyond alive   Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:59 am

I don't think there is any Bond news possible that would draw unanimous support from fans. Sometimes I feel though that EON announcing that the series were to end would have the approval of the greatest amount of people.
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PostSubject: Re: Keeping Bond And Beyond alive   Mon Nov 28, 2011 8:35 am

Erica Ambler wrote:

Don't ask me how, but Rave manages it.

I owe much in life to three things -

- a decent Shiraz

- single malt - Laphroaig, Dalwhinnie, Glenmorangie or Glenfiddich

- prescription only drugs.

Having said that, I'm not quite sure what I've been accused of being. Which is a change, because I've usually heard them all before.

I am trying to think how I could ever be called 'embittered'. As for 'clique', Ambler and I have been sparring for years, probably since the first time we met. It's just something we do. It's not cliquey. It's chemistry ;)

Don't fight it, Ambler. You know it's kismet ;)
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PostSubject: Re: Keeping Bond And Beyond alive   Mon Nov 28, 2011 8:53 am

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Ambler and I have been sparring for years, probably since the first time we met. It's just something we do. It's not cliquey. It's chemistry ;)

Don't fight it, Ambler. You know it's kismet ;)

Oppers has gone to Islay to fetch my Kwanzaa Lagavullin so this is our best chance.

Let yourself in. The door's on the latch.
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PostSubject: Re: Keeping Bond And Beyond alive   Mon Nov 28, 2011 9:07 am

Erica Ambler wrote:
Is Herr Dudley sending children to fight his battles now? laugh Anyway, I'll humour you.

It's no secret that I haven't liked a Bond film since the end of Barry, Maibaum and Cubby's tenure. As it seems I have to spell it out for you, that was when the films stopped being any good.

If Skynonfail is decent I'll be happily surprised.

Having read your spiel for years Ambler, naturally we know that - but for a newbie he's hardly going to be heartened by it. Especially when most of us agree on your viewpoint.
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PostSubject: Re: Keeping Bond And Beyond alive   Mon Nov 28, 2011 9:12 am

Fair enough. I'll leave Bond in your good hands while Rave tends to my every need.
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PostSubject: Re: Keeping Bond And Beyond alive   Mon Nov 28, 2011 9:26 am

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The last half dozen posts are probably reason enough and symptomatic of what has happened since a flurry of activity earlier in the autumn - an embittered clique posting rubbish and alienating new posters.

it does seem that some who used to spend their time lambasting Brosnan have come out of the closet to focus on complaining about Craig now the B23 is back on the menu

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Despite the fact there is a new Bond film underway, this place is still delivering the "...and Beyond" rather than the "Bond".

I think Sharky has made a good effort to post any developments relating to the new Bond movie and I'm continuing to find more interesting discussion here than at MI6 which I also visit

where MI6 score is in the more nostalgic "pass the time" aspects of Bond, threads about who had the best lines etc, they seem to generate more of that

RobDudley wrote:
There's not much for Bond fans here, when it comes down to it, that isn't delivered elsewhere with more variety of opinion, and watching other people's in-joking is a pretty arid experience.

I'm not sure it's any different anywhere else, but negativity is a bit of an issue,
IMO it would be better to judge each subsequent Bond on his own merits, rather than continually comparing them unfavourably to a nostalgia tinted past
if QOS isn't as good as CR fine, but Craig is never going to be a Connery clone and neither is any other self respecting actor who takes the role
try to enjoy them for what they are rather than what they are not
vive la difference I say
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PostSubject: Re: Keeping Bond And Beyond alive   Mon Nov 28, 2011 9:33 am

Seve wrote:
where MI6 score is in the more nostalgic "pass the time" aspects of Bond, threads about who had the best lines etc, they seem to generate more of that

Khan had a stab at that with his Dr No thread, but only a handful of people responded.

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PostSubject: Re: Keeping Bond And Beyond alive   Mon Nov 28, 2011 9:35 am

Erica Ambler wrote:


Let yourself in. The door's on the latch.

Hmm.... Can't I wait until the Lagavlin has arrived?

colly wrote:
Especially when most of us agree on your viewpoint.

Ah, but that's the beauty of our relationship, see. I happen to like Quantum of Solace, and Casino Royale, so I'm quite looking forward to Skyfall. But I do appreciate the opposite viewpoint.

Horses for courses, as they say.

Erica Ambler wrote:
Fair enough. I'll leave Bond in your good hands while Rave tends to my every need.

I'm not sure about that, Amblers. I mean, last time we did have a few issues about some of the things on that list. Plus how long it was. I mean, 15 pages, double sided, is a bit much. Even for a nymphomaniac bibliophile autophile cinemaphile domestic goddess such as myself.
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PostSubject: Re: Keeping Bond And Beyond alive   Mon Nov 28, 2011 9:50 am

Come back on 8 Dec and you can have some of my 40-year-old Glenbridge. Almost as old as me, but I doubt it will taste as good. I suggest you do an A-B comparison.
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PostSubject: Re: Keeping Bond And Beyond alive   Mon Nov 28, 2011 9:53 am

The real issue is that most of us graybeards have already said the vast majority of what we have to say on the subject of Bond over on MI6. And we have little interest in regurgitating--if I may be so bold--it on BaB. It therefore falls to the fresh-faced newcomers to jump in and stimulate discussion. I'll continue doing what I can, but you can't squeeze Bowmore from a marshmallow.
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PostSubject: Re: Keeping Bond And Beyond alive   Mon Nov 28, 2011 9:57 am

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Come back on 8 Dec and you can have some of my 40-year-old Glenbridge. Almost as old as me, but I doubt it will taste as good. I suggest you do an A-B comparison.

Actually, that's a tempting proposition.

I agreed, by the way. With Khan. We don't want to start threads here simply to repeat what has been said before. I don't think any of us is that much in love with our own typing as to repeat ourselves verbatim, ad nauseum.

Et pluribus unum Habeas Corpus. Inflagrante Delicto. Coitus Interruptus. ;)
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PostSubject: Re: Keeping Bond And Beyond alive   Mon Nov 28, 2011 10:53 am

6of1 wrote:
Or more so, depending on what is the current fashion of passive aggressive snarkyness; not quite sure there.

How about opting for openly aggressive sharkiness, instead mate? It's worked for me for years.

Seve wrote:
but replying in kind probably doesn't help the situation?

Eye for an eye, I know.... I tried to be as diplomatic in my replies to Ken and Bob as possible, but it ain't easy being a human piƱata.
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PostSubject: Re: Keeping Bond And Beyond alive   Mon Nov 28, 2011 11:16 am

Perilagu Khan wrote:
The real issue is that most of us graybeards have already said the vast majority of what we have to say on the subject of Bond over on MI6. And we have little interest in regurgitating--if I may be so bold--it on BaB.

That's the crux of the matter. I only really had a passion for discussing Bond-related matters for my first, say, 3 or 4 years on MI6. Ran out of steam after that. There's only so much stimulating discourse you can have about a certain cluster of films which are, for the most part, light-hearted action flicks. That's not to say there's no more to discuss and we should close up shop, but it's understandable why those who spent a good 6 or 7 or 8 years on MI6 would find it difficult to keep up multiple daily debates about the Bond films.

We need some high quality newbies to wake us from our slumber.
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PostSubject: Re: Keeping Bond And Beyond alive   Mon Nov 28, 2011 11:24 am

That was why I invited blueblood. His essays could spawn 20 pages in a week. For some reason he went off the map in August, and he hasn't replied. Hope he's alright.
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