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PostSubject: Re: Mission Impossible - Ghost Protocol ::: December 16, 2011   Fri Dec 02, 2011 6:26 pm

Somewhat distracted by the 2 hot chicks knocking 7 bells out of each other to notice the music much, to be honest.
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PostSubject: Re: Mission Impossible - Ghost Protocol ::: December 16, 2011   Fri Dec 02, 2011 7:23 pm

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Somewhat distracted by the 2 hot chicks knocking 7 bells out of each other to notice the music much, to be honest.

Agreed. The fight scene was surprisingly good, and probably better than any of the scenes that Cruise will be in. Brad Bird is a good director, but I'm really going to need something more to make me hold my nose and go see a Tom Cruise film. The reviews will have to be absolutely stellar for me to see this. So far, all I've seen are commercials of the film that looked like they were edited by Marc Forster; you can barely tell what is going on in the clips, and from the stuff I have been able to make out, it appears to be a total rehash of the first Mission Impossible film: team is set up to fail, team is betrayed by an insider, Ethan has to put his own team together to flush out the double agent, Ethan jumps from high buildings....
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PostSubject: Re: Mission Impossible - Ghost Protocol ::: December 16, 2011   Fri Dec 02, 2011 8:07 pm

Sounds like one of Arnold's Brosnan era scores.
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PostSubject: Re: Mission Impossible - Ghost Protocol ::: December 16, 2011   Fri Dec 02, 2011 8:08 pm

Tubes wrote:
Sounds like one of Arnold's Brosnan era scores.

Watch the movie and then complain or not. The trailer music is a lways deceiving.
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PostSubject: Re: Mission Impossible - Ghost Protocol ::: December 16, 2011   Fri Dec 02, 2011 8:36 pm

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Tubes wrote:
Sounds like one of Arnold's Brosnan era scores.

Watch the movie and then complain or not. The trailer music is a lways deceiving.

This isn't trailer music. This is the real thing.

I agree though. Sounds straight out of TND.
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PostSubject: Re: Mission Impossible - Ghost Protocol ::: December 16, 2011   Fri Dec 02, 2011 8:48 pm

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Tubes wrote:
Sounds like one of Arnold's Brosnan era scores.

Watch the movie and then complain or not. The trailer music is a always deceiving.

This isn't trailer music. This is the real thing.

I agree though. Sounds straight out of TND.

Okay, my bad. I will noy wach any scenes since this movie asks for a cinema visit. I will then have a listen.

By the way I found DA's music more enjoyable in the Brosnan movies. With his work in the Craig era I have become really dissapointed he failed to give the movies any identity. To be honest I would have to work really hard to make any distinction between the Brosnan soundtrack by DA. Serra's GE has an unique sound.
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PostSubject: Re: Mission Impossible - Ghost Protocol ::: December 16, 2011   Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:47 am

Fuck the embargo, I'm David Denby-ing this shit.

It does what it says on the tin, and that automatically makes it Bird's weakest film, as expected. However, it's the least problematic of the Mission: Impossible films, even if I still prefer De Palma's film purely because I think his stylistic impulses fit the film like a glove.

What I did like, though, is that Bird places a lot more weight on the subterfuge and trickery elements, and less on the action sequences (which are nonetheless impressive and well staged). It certainly bears his hand, with a lot of what you would call organized chaos going on. There are a lot of moving parts (put together superbly by Paul Hirsch, who still seems to know more about what he's doing than most editors today), and the characters actually have motivation, which is a pleasant change for the franchise.

Biggest problems: Giachinno's score, which is just ridiculous and frankly stupid, and to a much lesser degree, Nykvist, who is aggressively uninteresting.
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PostSubject: Re: Mission Impossible - Ghost Protocol ::: December 16, 2011   Thu Dec 08, 2011 11:56 am

I don't want to look too closely at reviews for fear of spoilers, but I had a quick glance at Rotten Tomatoes and noted that five out of the six critics' reviews currently available seem to be raves and even the one review that isn't a rave appears to be only mildly negative and seems to be saying that the film is still worth seeing.
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PostSubject: Re: Mission Impossible - Ghost Protocol ::: December 16, 2011   Thu Dec 08, 2011 12:29 pm

That's the problem with RT - it assigns individual reviews a "fresh" or "rotten" ranking based on the reviewer's scoring system, but it doesn't take into account the body of the actual review. I've seen reviewers give films a two-star ranking (out of four) and state that the film is not ground-breaking in any real way, but still worth your time and money. I interpret that as being a positive review, but because of the two stars, RT classifies it as negative.
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PostSubject: Re: Mission Impossible - Ghost Protocol ::: December 16, 2011   Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:04 pm

I see what you're saying, but I'm not just going by the colour of the tomato - I'm going more by the brief quotations from those reviews, e.g.:

'Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol' is the most consistently entertaining, most laser-focused entry in the series so far

and

In his first live-action film, [Brad] Bird gives us a cleaner, clearer, smarter and better action film than Michael Bay has in any of his nine straining, slapdash efforts.

and

"Ghost Protocol" fails to provide thrills unique enough to truly celebrate, even if it still offers a "Mission: Impossible" that's worthwhile for audiences to accept.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/mission_impossible_ghost_protocol/

There are links to the full reviews, but I won't read 'em till I've seen the film.
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PostSubject: Re: Mission Impossible - Ghost Protocol ::: December 16, 2011   Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:36 pm

The "not unique enough" complaint isn't entirely on point - there's one sequence where the same scenario is being played out simultaneously in two different yet identical locations, with IMF agents undercover in both masquerading as the opposite parties in each scenario. Might not sound like it by that description, but it actually makes sense, is quite taut in terms of suspense, and furthermore not quite like anything I've seen in any film, and yet you could only really do it in a film. It's quite ambitious.
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PostSubject: Re: Mission Impossible - Ghost Protocol ::: December 16, 2011   Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:48 pm

At the risk of short changing others impressions of my own intelligence...

I just can't take anything with the line 'They blew up the Kremlin' seriously.

May see it as a DVD rental or on tv, though it's highly possible I'll be dragged on it on a movie night.

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PostSubject: Re: Mission Impossible - Ghost Protocol ::: December 16, 2011   Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:45 pm

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The "not unique enough" complaint isn't entirely on point - there's one sequence where the same scenario is being played out simultaneously in two different yet identical locations, with IMF agents undercover in both masquerading as the opposite parties in each scenario. Might not sound like it by that description, but it actually makes sense, is quite taut in terms of suspense, and furthermore not quite like anything I've seen in any film, and yet you could only really do it in a film. It's quite ambitious.

How come you and Prisoner Monkeys have seen the film? I didn't think it was open anywhere yet.

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I just can't take anything with the line 'They blew up the Kremlin' seriously.

But are we meant to take this film seriously? I doubt it, and I'm not really looking to MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE IV to be something to take particularly seriously, either. All I want it to be is entertaining, and early word suggests that it succeeds on that score.

Besides, even those action/espionage thrillers that are acclaimed as being relatively "serious" or "believable" (relative to something like MOONRAKER, I guess), such as THE BOURNE SUPREMACY and CASINO ROYALE, are full of plot holes and massive implausibilities.
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PostSubject: Re: Mission Impossible - Ghost Protocol ::: December 16, 2011   Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:30 pm

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The "not unique enough" complaint isn't entirely on point - there's one sequence where the same scenario is being played out simultaneously in two different yet identical locations, with IMF agents undercover in both masquerading as the opposite parties in each scenario. Might not sound like it by that description, but it actually makes sense, is quite taut in terms of suspense, and furthermore not quite like anything I've seen in any film, and yet you could only really do it in a film. It's quite ambitious.

How come you and Prisoner Monkeys have seen the film? I didn't think it was open anywhere yet.

I sometimes masquerade as a member of the press.
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PostSubject: Re: Mission Impossible - Ghost Protocol ::: December 16, 2011   Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:26 pm

Um, I haven't seen the film. I have never said that I have seen the film.
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PostSubject: Re: Mission Impossible - Ghost Protocol ::: December 16, 2011   Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:23 am

Sorry. For some strange reason I thought one of FourDot's posts had been made by you. My mistake.
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PostSubject: Re: Mission Impossible - Ghost Protocol ::: December 16, 2011   Fri Dec 09, 2011 5:09 pm

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Fuck the embargo, I'm David Denby-ing this shit.
I decided a while back that embargoes don't apply to message boards.

Anywho, the skyscraper bit in this looks really nice. Considering paying to see this in IMAX just for that.
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PostSubject: Re: Mission Impossible - Ghost Protocol ::: December 16, 2011   Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:25 am

Caught this tonight. Very well done.

"M:I-GP" (Christ) is everything a popcorn action film should be. It's action-packed and big in scale but never as blatantly retarded as a Michael Bay film.

It's also truly great to see an action film that doesn't look like Michael J. Fox was the cinematographer. Also nice to see a full palette of color, as well, and the IMAX, especially in the Dubai bits, was expertly done. Probably the best use of it I've seen yet.

Best part is that it doesn't take itself seriously. I found myself thinking at some points that it was a better Bond film than "Quantum of Solace."
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PostSubject: Re: Mission Impossible - Ghost Protocol ::: December 16, 2011   Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:55 am

I'm going to say this up-front: GHOST PROTOCOL consistently disappointed me.

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My rankings:

1) MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE
2) MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE 3
3) MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE 2
4) MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE - GHOST PROTOCOL
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PostSubject: Re: Mission Impossible - Ghost Protocol ::: December 16, 2011   Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:44 am

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PostSubject: Re: Mission Impossible - Ghost Protocol ::: December 16, 2011   Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:58 am

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In the end, it feels like an extended episode of the TV show, but with ten times the budget . . .
This is a bad thing?

If the action sequences in GHOST PROTOCOL deliver, that alone will be enough to put it over M:I-3 in my book. Tried watching that not too long ago and found it to be pure agony.
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PostSubject: Re: Mission Impossible - Ghost Protocol ::: December 16, 2011   Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:09 am

The action sequences are good, but the subterfuge and trickery is more engrossing. Which is as it should be, although Cruise outside the Burj Khalifa is a real nail-biter.

But yeah, if you wanted gritty realism from this... Mission: Impossible film, look elsewhere.
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PostSubject: Re: Mission Impossible - Ghost Protocol ::: December 16, 2011   Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:59 am

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This is a bad thing?
In the context of the wider film ... yes. It is. The film is built around three locations. Each location has a "job" to go with it; it's almost as if each location is an episode of the series. The problem is that the overall plot binding the three together. it's rubbish. It's lazy, it's been done to death, and it was out of date thirty years ago. it doesn't help that Michael Nyqvist is completely wasted - aside from a news recording that serves as nothing more than exposition, I can't recall a single line of dialogue.

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If the action sequences in GHOST PROTOCOL deliver, that alone will be enough to put it over M:I-3 in my book. Tried watching that not too long ago and found it to be pure agony.
They're not bad. Some of them are, in fact, quite impressive. But they'er all let down by being taken one step too far:
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Honestly, the best scenes of the film are the action-light ones. Everything in Moscow is fantastic. It's well-written, it's clever and it's engaging. it is perhaps the section that feels most like an episode of the series, and could easily be an entire film in its own right. It's everything afterwards that is just plain rubbish.
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PostSubject: Re: Mission Impossible - Ghost Protocol ::: December 16, 2011   Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:03 pm

How can you "waste" Nykvist? The guy has no discernible screen charisma. At least not in that Dragon Tattoo film.

These films do not take place in the real world. It's not the focus or intent of a Mission: Impossible film to create scenarios that are in any way likely or reflect actual espionage practices and situations Honestly, I think taking issue with the films because Hunt is to some degree impervious to permanent physical damage to be kinda missing the point - the suspense in Ghost Protocol is generated by minute errors in the plan, and malfunctioning equipment, or an external force coming into play at an inconvenient moment, or something as simple as Hunt not being able to reach a briefcase that's been kicked under a car, although it's just inches away.

I dunno, it's a complaint that strikes me as being similar to the "Hey, there's no sound in space! Star Wars is totally bogus" or "How does Indiana Jones survive falling off a cliff" sort of thing. To be honest, most people would be in trouble after the first direct punch to the head, what with the force that most action heroes are supposed to be throwing around.
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PostSubject: Re: Mission Impossible - Ghost Protocol ::: December 16, 2011   Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:30 pm

It must be in Shadow's DNA. I remember he dismissed OHMSS because some of snow on the screen, a few dodgy mid-sentence cuts, the supposed cheesiness of waves being sped up on the beach fight, and the multiple angle cuts of one SPECTRE red shirt falling off a precipice.

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