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PostSubject: Re: Roman Polanski Thread and Murmurings   Tue Aug 25, 2015 11:37 pm

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I actually remember hearing about him making an appearance in one of his films, RUSH HOUR 3.

Strange world.

Up there with Herzog showing up in "Jack Reacher" for me.
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PostSubject: Re: Roman Polanski Thread and Murmurings   Tue Aug 25, 2015 11:57 pm

What happened to Polanski's Dreyfus Affair movie? Did it get sunk by the Poland/USA extradition clusterfuck?
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PostSubject: Re: Roman Polanski Thread and Murmurings   Wed Aug 26, 2015 12:13 am

This French article claims that shooting was supposed to start in July.

http://www.allocine.fr/article/fichearticle_gen_carticle=18639246.html
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PostSubject: Re: Roman Polanski Thread and Murmurings   Sat Oct 31, 2015 5:08 am

Realise that most of the adults here haven't got beyond comics and children's films, but this might interest one or two other members. Also, I know the remaining moderators here are busy either lobbying for the forum's closure or posting on CBn, but maybe this thread could be converted to a general Polanski thread?

Go on - it'll only take two minutes and be the first bit of work any mod has done in this forum in years.

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Roman Polanski ‘very happy’ with Polish court ruling

Roman Polanski beat a U.S. attempt to extradite him as a Polish judge ruled that the nation’s law forbids sending the filmmaker back to the United States, where he pleaded guilty nearly four decades ago to having sex with a minor.

“I can breathe now with relief,” the Oscar-winning director told reporters in Krakow, where the case was heard.

“I pleaded guilty. I went to prison. I have done my penalty. The case is closed,” said the 83-year old director, who appeared thin and exhausted.

Polanski also beat a U.S. attempt to extradite him from Switzerland more than a decade ago.

Friday’s decision could finally close the case in Polanski’s favor. The Polish prosecutor who argued the case for extradition on behalf of the United States did not immediately say whether there would be an appeal.

Judge Dariusz Mazur said the case was very complicated but an extradition procedure would violate the human rights of the elderly Polanski because he could be sentenced to confinement.

“I find no rational answer to the question: what is the real point of the U.S. extradition request?” said Mazur, who spent more than two hours explaining his reasoning to the court in Krakow.

Mazur said Polanski served his punishment in confinement in the U.S., and later for 10 months — partly under house arrest — in Switzerland in 2009-2010 when the U.S. unsuccessfully sought his extradition there.

U.S. judges and prosecutors in the case violated legal procedures, broke the plea bargain in 1977, denied Polanski the right to proper defense and appeared biased, the judge found.

Polanski was not in court for the ruling, but followed live TV coverage of the proceedings.

“I am glad that I have trusted Poland’s justice system,” Polanski told reporters.

“Listening to the court today I was really moved because I had not imagined the judge would know the case in such detail, with all the dates quoted correctly. There was not one mistake.”

Polanski’s attorneys had argued that the U.S. request was legally flawed and contended he had already served prison time under a plea-bargain deal with a Los Angeles judge.

By Monika Scislowska | AP October 30 at 1:37 PM

http://wapo.st/1NdYdRT
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PostSubject: Re: Roman Polanski Thread and Murmurings   Sat Oct 31, 2015 6:21 am

There's mods posting on CBn and lobbying for this place to go belly under?

We have other mods?

wot

Anyway, I've tweaked the thread.
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PostSubject: Re: Roman Polanski Thread and Murmurings   Wed Nov 04, 2015 5:01 am

Samantha Geimer says Roman Polanski ‘deserves closure’:

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I feel a kinship with him having been through this. He has apologised to me, he has treated me kindly and with respect, and I’m unaware that he’s ever done anything untoward to anyone else.”

Geimer added: “We somehow ended up on the same side. Things have to go pretty wrong for them to end up this way ... It’s a joke. A travesty – Hollywood justice at its finest.”

http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/nov/03/roman-polanski-victim-samantha-geimer-extradition-refusal-the-right-thing
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PostSubject: Re: Roman Polanski Thread and Murmurings   Wed Nov 04, 2015 8:35 am

Putting aside the questionable and criminal nature of the act, it is odd how Polanski is one of the few men who has been made to pay a serious price for his actions, when other men guilty of similar acts are feted without any reservation.

What is it about him that has made him a target to some who choose to ignore similar actions from other men?

You would think that the man's especially tragic life would earn him more, not less compassion.
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PostSubject: Re: Roman Polanski Thread and Murmurings   Wed Nov 04, 2015 10:05 am

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Putting aside the questionable and criminal nature of the act, it is odd how Polanski is one of the few men who has been made to pay a serious price for his actions, when other men guilty of similar acts are feted without any reservation.

What is it about him that has made him a target to some who choose to ignore similar actions from other men?

You would think that the man's especially tragic life would earn him more, not less compassion.

Probably because he's a foreigner.
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PostSubject: Re: Roman Polanski Thread and Murmurings   Mon Oct 30, 2017 8:22 am

Roman Polanski to attend retrospective in Paris despite protest

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The film director Roman Polanski will attend a retrospective of his life’s work in Paris on Monday in spite of planned protests and new rape allegations against him. A leading French feminist organisation has called for a demonstration outside the Cinémathèque Française when the event opens after a petition to cancel it failed.

The tribute was described in the petition as “indecent” and an insult to victims of assault mobilised by the #MeToo campaign. “It’s an affront to all rape victims, and particularly Polanski’s victims,” it reads. “Polanski deserves dishonour, not honours.” The petition questions the Cinémathèque’s timing in honouring Polanski, whose films include Rosemary’s Baby, Chinatown, The Pianist and The Ghost Writer, at the height of the scandal surrounding the Hollywood producer Harvey Weinstein.

Laure Salmona, a feminist campaigner and researcher into sexual violence, who launched the petition against the retrospective, said it was time to end the tolerance for “a rape culture that gives rise to a language that seeks to minimise, excuse and perpetuate sexual violence”. “We also need to end the impunity of famous men who rape, assault and kill women and their children without hindering their careers,” she added.

Salmona said of Polanski: “A great film-maker perhaps, but also a big criminal … what message is the French Cinémathèque sending by announcing this retrospective? That crimes are, when all is said and done, diluted by fame and that rape is of little importance if committed by a talented man? How many more victims do there have to be for the film industry to realise that it cannot continue praising a paedophile to the skies?”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/29/roman-polanksi-to-attend-retrospective-in-paris-despite-protest
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PostSubject: Re: Roman Polanski Thread and Murmurings   Mon Oct 30, 2017 8:30 am

The boring, hard to accept reality might simply be that Roman Polanski is both a brilliant director and a sexual predator.
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PostSubject: Re: Roman Polanski Thread and Murmurings   Mon Oct 30, 2017 8:42 am

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The boring, hard to accept reality might simply be that Roman Polanski is both a brilliant director and a sexual predator.

Could be. Artists, the wealthy and sociopaths tend to feel the law only applies to mere mortals aka ordinary people. And, of course, some famous people fit all three catagories.

Polanski's life has so many tragic and interesting elements that it will surely not be long after his death that someone makes a film of it.
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PostSubject: Re: Roman Polanski Thread and Murmurings   Mon Oct 30, 2017 9:24 am

Oh for sure. It's hard to fathom that one individual could be victimized by so many different tragic events. Surviving the Krakow ghetto and then having his pregnant wife slaughtered would have been enough to render most people crazy with grief and Polanski endured both atrocities before turning 36.
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PostSubject: Re: Roman Polanski Thread and Murmurings   Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:59 am

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Salomé wrote:
The boring, hard to accept reality might simply be that Roman Polanski is both a brilliant director and a sexual predator.

Could be. Artists, the wealthy and sociopaths tend to feel the law only applies to mere mortals aka ordinary people. And, of course, some famous people fit all three catagories.

Polanski's life has so many tragic and interesting elements that it will surely not be long after his death that someone makes a film of it.

Directed by Woody Allen and produced by Weinstein.
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PostSubject: Re: Roman Polanski Thread and Murmurings   Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:19 pm

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Oh for sure. It's hard to fathom that one individual could be victimized by so many different tragic events. Surviving the Krakow ghetto and then having his pregnant wife slaughtered would have been enough to render most people crazy with grief and Polanski endured both atrocities before turning 36.

The only current director whose life I find as fascinating is Peter Bogdanovich's. Apart from the hilarity of having Orson Wells as houseguest, with the Strattens it's almost like Bogdanovich re-enacted Vertigo. If the present generation of journalist were worth a damn they'd revisit these cases when reporting the current round of Hollywood behaviour.
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PostSubject: Re: Roman Polanski Thread and Murmurings   Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:27 pm

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Salomé wrote:
Oh for sure. It's hard to fathom that one individual could be victimized by so many different tragic events. Surviving the Krakow ghetto and then having his pregnant wife slaughtered would have been enough to render most people crazy with grief and Polanski endured both atrocities before turning 36.

The only current director whose life I find as fascinating is Peter Bogdanovich's. Apart from the hilarity of having Orson Wells as houseguest, with the Strattens it's almost like Bogdanovich re-enacted Vertigo. If the present generation of journalist were worth a damn they'd revisit these cases when reporting the current round of Hollywood behaviour.

IIRC, he paid for the education of the younger Stratton after Dorothy was murdered and more or less molded her into his idealized woman?

It was a bit dickish that he actively tried to sabotage his ex-wife's career after their divorce (though not immediately after as they were collaborators for a while after their separation). Petty to say the least.
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PostSubject: Re: Roman Polanski Thread and Murmurings   Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:29 pm

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IIRC, he paid for the education of the younger Stratton after Dorothy was murdered and more or less molded her into his idealized woman?

It was a bit dickish that he actively tried to sabotage his ex-wife's career after their divorce (though not immediately after as they were collaborators for a while after their separation). Petty to say the least.

Or perhaps he tried to mould her into her dead sister... Bogdanovich had a history of sleeping with his leading ladies as did many directors. I think Nastassia Kinski once said she had slept with all her directors. It was accepted behaviour.
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PostSubject: Re: Roman Polanski Thread and Murmurings   Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:30 pm

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Salomé wrote:
IIRC, he paid for the education of the younger Stratton after Dorothy was murdered and more or less molded her into his idealized woman?

It was a bit dickish that he actively tried to sabotage his ex-wife's career after their divorce (though not immediately after as they were collaborators for a while after their separation). Petty to say the least.

Or perhaps he tried to mould her into her dead sister... Bogdanovich had a history of sleeping with his leading ladies as did many directors. I think Nastassia Kinski once said she had slept with all her directors. It was accepted behaviour.

Cybill Shepherd and Candice Bergen are two of the women he definitely had on-set affairs with.

As I recall from reading "Easy Riders, Raging Bulls", none of those directors come out looking particularly nice. Of course, why would they be?
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PostSubject: Re: Roman Polanski Thread and Murmurings   Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:35 pm

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As I recall from reading "Easy Riders, Raging Bulls", none of those directors come out looking particularly nice. Of course, why would they be?

No one seems to be looking beyond individuals, but if one was to do a study of the behaviour of powerful men in general - whether politicians, military, businessmen or artists - I think highly developed sex drives would be found in most cases.
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PostSubject: Re: Roman Polanski Thread and Murmurings   Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:08 am

Finally watched Carnage if only because it's on Amazon Prime.

It's a short sharp dissection of middle-class hypocrisy and educated idiocy, and as stagebound as I expected. A useful reminder of how much better women are with whisky.
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PostSubject: Re: Roman Polanski Thread and Murmurings   Sun Jan 28, 2018 3:56 am

The Paris Review's take on Roman Polanski and (mainly) Woody Allen. Or as I see it, female fascism's obsession with the Male Question and so-called 'toxic masculinity'. Eric Gill would be a better subject for this discussion than Polanski or Allen, but the writer probably hasn't heard of Gill. It's worth reading nonetheless as a record of feminism's enveloping madness and hysteria. Dederer's key line is, 'My response wasn’t logical; it was emotional', and I'd say that sums up the current level of debate in the West pretty accurately.

What Do We Do with the Art of Monstrous Men?
By Claire Dederer 20 November, 2017

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Roman Polanski, Woody Allen, Bill Cosby, William Burroughs, Richard Wagner, Sid Vicious, V. S. Naipaul, John Galliano, Norman Mailer, Ezra Pound, Caravaggio, Floyd Mayweather, though if we start listing athletes we'll never stop. And what about the women? The list immediately becomes much more difficult and tentative: Anne Sexton? Joan Crawford? Sylvia Plath? Does self-harm count? Okay, well, it's back to the men I guess: Pablo Picasso, Max Ernst, Lead Belly, Miles Davis, Phil Spector.

They did or said something awful, and made something great. The awful thing disrupts the great work; we can't watch or listen to or read the great work without remembering the awful thing. Flooded with knowledge of the maker's monstrousness, we turn away, overcome by disgust. Or … we don't. We continue watching, separating or trying to separate the artist from the art. Either way: disruption. They are monster geniuses, and I don't know what to do about them.

We've all been thinking about monsters in the Trump era. For me, it began a few years ago. I was researching Roman Polanski for a book I was writing and found myself awed by his monstrousness. It was monumental, like the Grand Canyon. And yet. When I watched his movies, their beauty was another kind of monument, impervious to my knowledge of his iniquities. I had exhaustively read about his rape of thirteen-year-old Samantha Gailey; I feel sure no detail on record remained unfamiliar to me. Despite this knowledge, I was still able to consume his work. Eager to. The more I researched Polanski, the more I became drawn to his films, and I watched them again and again-especially the major ones: Repulsion, Rosemary's Baby, Chinatown. Like all works of genius, they invited repetition. I ate them. They became part of me, the way something loved does.

https://www.theparisreview.org/blog/2017/11/20/art-monstrous-men/

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As I wrote in my diary when I was a teen, “I don’t feel great about men right now.” I still didn’t feel great about men in the summer of 2017, and a lot of other women didn’t feel great about men either.
I've yet to meet a woman who asks the obvious correlative: how do men feel about women right now?
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PostSubject: Re: Roman Polanski Thread and Murmurings   Sun Jan 28, 2018 11:20 am

Interesting read, despite the lumping of Woody Allen into this group.
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PostSubject: Re: Roman Polanski Thread and Murmurings   Sun Jan 28, 2018 8:53 pm

I'm not at all interested in the punitive side of this story. For all of the talk of destroyed careers, how many of these men have truly been ostracized to the point of it ending their artistic endeavors?
The rape that Roman Polanski is accused of happened in the 1970s. He has made four movies in the past decade, the most recent one released last year. Which is, especially considering his age, a decent return. Not all directors remain as prolific throughout their 70s and 80s as say Ridley Scott.

But I would ask a question in terms of this so-called "female fascism": do you believe these "flawed geniuses" should face any sort of consequences for their crimes/felonies?

I'm on the record as stating that I'm not too fond of "justice via social media" but at the same time, the argument as presented above seems to be that individuals of great artistic merit should be given leeway to d whatever they please?
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PostSubject: Re: Roman Polanski Thread and Murmurings   Sun Jan 28, 2018 9:58 pm

I don't deny it's a self-important and stupid article. However, its central question is timely.

The world today is run by educated idiots who childishly believe in good (women) and evil (men). There is no recognition - let alone acceptance - of subtlety or complexity in any given situation. This seems to be mainly to do with women being fucked-up about sex; they're perfectly relaxed and pragmatic about buying cheap clothing or cellphones made by Asian children, or IKEA furniture developed by a Nazi, but incapable of accepting How Men Are. Illogical, Captain Freud.

Reason has been completely overwhelmed by emotion. It's not progress on any level.
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PostSubject: Re: Roman Polanski Thread and Murmurings   Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:43 am

I'm not sure what you mean by "accepting how men are".
Not all men are the same, so by that measure, the accepted behavior of men should encompass a wide variety of behavior.
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PostSubject: Re: Roman Polanski Thread and Murmurings   Mon Jan 29, 2018 7:09 am

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I'm not sure what you mean by "accepting how men are".
Not all men are the same, so by that measure, the accepted behavior of men should encompass a wide variety of behavior.

I'm open to a discussion of this but for some years I've wondered whether an essential difference between men and women is that 99% of men are biologically programmed to pursue the opposite sex, while women appear to have no such need. This is not a view that attracts much support because it suggests a basic lack of free will in men, an idea that the individualist in most of us cannot deal with. However, some scientists are beginning to put forward supporting theories such as Robert Sapolsky at Stanford.
https://news.stanford.edu/2017/05/08/biologist-robert-sapolsky-takes-human-behavior-free-will/
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