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PostSubject: Re: Are you pro-death penalty   Sat Sep 03, 2011 7:35 am



"The crime is life. The sentence is death"

Really, I just wanted to post a pic of Barbie in an electric chair.
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PostSubject: Re: Are you pro-death penalty   Sat Sep 03, 2011 7:39 am

Honestly, you could have at least put the poor girl's knees together.
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PostSubject: Re: Are you pro-death penalty   Sat Sep 03, 2011 7:46 am

It was that warm-hearted warder Sindy. She's a lezza.
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PostSubject: Re: Are you pro-death penalty   Sat Sep 03, 2011 7:49 am

I always knew Ken would be the death of her.
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PostSubject: Re: Are you pro-death penalty   Sat Sep 03, 2011 7:57 am

To bring this back on topic, I support the death penalty for other people.
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PostSubject: Re: Are you pro-death penalty   Sat Sep 03, 2011 8:02 am

And I support it for dolls.
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PostSubject: Re: Are you pro-death penalty   Sat Sep 03, 2011 8:07 am

Other people's dolls.
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PostSubject: Re: Are you pro-death penalty   Sat Sep 03, 2011 3:55 pm

Fae wrote:
Don't support it.

Largerly for the big what if: what if you got it wrong?

Me too.

As flawed as our justice systems are, a punishment so permanent makes me uncomfortable.

I'm not going to campaign against it, but I just don't like it.

I also think prisons should be as self-sufficient as possible to reduce their cost to society, so as to take that argument out of it.
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PostSubject: Re: Are you pro-death penalty   Sat Sep 03, 2011 8:56 pm

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To bring this back on topic, I support the death penalty for other people.

That seems to be a stance even most death row inmates agree with. ;)
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PostSubject: Re: Are you pro-death penalty   Sat Sep 03, 2011 9:42 pm

Kennon wrote:
Sharky wrote:
Harmsway wrote:
These foundational beliefs have consistently been challenged over the past century, and that, along with other cultural tides, has resulted in a fractured society incapable of having an honest moral/ethical debate because there is no longer a shared philosophical starting point.

And from thereon opening the gates to moral relativism, courtesy of the the Frankfurt School. In their minds, the Jude-Christian interpretation of universal truth is authoritarian, Eurocentric, phallocentric, and obsolete. Marxism has won.

Did the Frankenfurter School propagate this? Or just describe?

Both.
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PostSubject: Re: Are you pro-death penalty   Fri Sep 09, 2011 7:10 am

I'm opposed to the death penalty. I don't see how it works as a deterrent, Ted Bundy knew he'd go to the chair, but it didn't stop him - or many others from perpetrating dreadful crimes, and many of them didn't kill someone in the heat of the moment, but methodically. They knew what they were doing, they knew what would happen if they were caught, and yet they killed anyways, and killed more than once.

Also, several years ago I saw a documentary on TV I can't remember the name if it, but it was something like 30 Days in May... anyway it was about a young man who was on death row for the murder of a cop. It followed his final appeal and the process by which he was executed (gas chamber) but didn't show his actual execution. It was one of those things that haunts you forever more after seeing it. The possibility that the guy was in fact completely innocent and was a victim of mistaken identity makes it all the more chilling.

I've also seen a show on TV which looked at the number of people on death row (specifically in America) who were juveniles (or were when convicted of the crime) or mentally ill.



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PostSubject: Re: Are you pro-death penalty   Fri Sep 09, 2011 7:25 am

Lobelia Overhill wrote:
I'm opposed to the death penalty. I don't see how it works as a deterrent, Ted Bundy knew he'd go to the chair, but it didn't stop him - or many others from perpetrating dreadful crimes, and many of them didn't kill someone in the heat of the moment, but methodically. They knew what they were doing, they knew what would happen if they were caught, and yet they killed anyways, and killed more than once.

Also, several years ago I saw a documentary on TV I can't remember the name if it, but it was something like 30 Days in May... anyway it was about a young man who was on death row for the murder of a cop. It followed his final appeal and the process by which he was executed (gas chamber) but didn't show his actual execution. It was one of those things that haunts you forever more after seeing it. The possibility that the guy was in fact completely innocent and was a victim of mistaken identity makes it all the more chilling.

I've also seen a show on TV which looked at the number of people on death row (specifically in America) who were juveniles (or were when convicted of the crime) or mentally ill.




There's more than one argument in favor of the death penalty, but I respect people's hesitation to use it. However, the deterrent factor is not the sole criteria for me. We can't say for certain how many crimes weren't committed because someone knew the death penalty existed; it's unknowable. But neither can I say just because people commit murder that the whole death penalty system should be thrown out because it's not stopping murder. Ted Bundy has been deterred; he's dead. He can't kill or hurt anybody else ever again. You can't get any more deterred than being dead.

But there's also the justice factor. A person who takes a life has no way to repay the state or the victim or the victim's family because they can't bring back the life of the person they killed. The only way a person can truly make restitution in a murder case is to give their own life, whether voluntarily or through force by the state.
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PostSubject: Re: Are you pro-death penalty   Fri Sep 09, 2011 7:25 am

I'm opposed to the death penalty for the same reason I am opposed to abortion. I can't find the moral justification.
====However that aside, the only practical reason I can see for the death penalty, is that it does remove a threat from society. If the Manson killers were lower profile they mind have found their way out by now. Killers as vicious as these should never see the outside of a prison but unfortunatley in our liberal societies we forget about the threat they pose, never mind the punishment they deserve, and killers do get released to kill again.
Our universities are full of subversive Marxist profs, filling criminology and sociology students heads with all sorts of crap about how we really don't need prisons, that prisons only make things worse, etc.
Personally I wouldn't be crushed if the Law and Order Capital Punishment crowd got it's way and brought back the death penalty in jurisdictions where it was banned. This would force liberals to put-up or shut-up, ie counter with a penal system that put emphasis on punishment, debt to society, removal of threats, victim's right etc. as opposed to fanciful notions of rehabbing dangerous criminals.


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PostSubject: Re: Are you pro-death penalty   Fri Sep 09, 2011 7:27 am

Gravity's Silhouette wrote:

But there's also the justice factor. A person who takes a life has no way to repay the state or the victim or the victim's family because they can't bring back the life of the person they killed. The only way a person can truly make restitution in a murder case is to give their own life, whether voluntarily or through force by the state.

That's not justice. That's called 'revenge'.
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PostSubject: Re: Are you pro-death penalty   Fri Sep 09, 2011 7:31 am

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That's called 'revenge'.

Or top telly.
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PostSubject: Re: Are you pro-death penalty   Fri Sep 09, 2011 7:41 am

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That's called 'revenge'.

Or top telly.

Well, they are letting cameras into court rooms now. Worst luck. Anyone who knows anything about the legal system knows the last thing m'learned Judge needs is a bloody camera to play up to. :roll:
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PostSubject: Re: Are you pro-death penalty   Fri Sep 09, 2011 7:48 am

Who cares if a few innocents die? If it means more low-cut tops in the dock then I'm all for it.
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PostSubject: Re: Are you pro-death penalty   Fri Sep 09, 2011 7:53 am

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Who cares if a few innocents die? If it means more low-cut tops in the dock then I'm all for it.

It's a tough call, Ambler. I mean, if you want the Jury to feel sorry for the witness, do you really want to alienate any straight women in their number for the sake of distracting any straight men? And is it going to add anything to the witness' credibility to have her jubblies out?

Important considerations. I think you'll find most barristers will suggest something modest and conservative for their witnesses. Dammit.
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PostSubject: Re: Are you pro-death penalty   Fri Sep 09, 2011 7:57 am

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It's a tough call, Ambler. I mean, if you want the Jury to feel sorry for the witness, do you really want to alienate any straight women in their number for the sake of distracting any straight men? And is it going to add anything to the witness' credibility to have her jubblies out?

No problem.

The defendants should be women only, and the judge and juries should be all men. :bounce: :bounce:
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PostSubject: Re: Are you pro-death penalty   Fri Sep 09, 2011 7:58 am

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But there's also the justice factor. A person who takes a life has no way to repay the state or the victim or the victim's family because they can't bring back the life of the person they killed. The only way a person can truly make restitution in a murder case is to give their own life, whether voluntarily or through force by the state.

That's not justice. That's called 'revenge'.

If I steal some money from you I can always pay you back. If the court orders me to pay it back is that "revenge"?

If I steal your life how am I to pay it back? Why should I be allowed to take your life and act as your judge, jury and executioner but not be held to the same standards?
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PostSubject: Re: Are you pro-death penalty   Fri Sep 09, 2011 8:06 am

Good name in man and woman, dear my lord,
Is the immediate jewel of their souls:
Who steals my purse steals trash; 'tis something, nothing;
'Twas mine, 'tis his, and has been slave to thousands:
But he that filches from me my good name
Robs me of that which not enriches him
And makes me poor indeed.


There is a difference between property theft, and theft of something which has no intrinsic value, but which - nevertheless - is priceless. The two things cannot be treated the same way.
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PostSubject: Re: Are you pro-death penalty   Fri Sep 09, 2011 8:13 am

Gravity's Silhouette wrote:
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But there's also the justice factor. A person who takes a life has no way to repay the state or the victim or the victim's family because they can't bring back the life of the person they killed. The only way a person can truly make restitution in a murder case is to give their own life, whether voluntarily or through force by the state.

That's not justice. That's called 'revenge'.

If I steal some money from you I can always pay you back. If the court orders me to pay it back is that "revenge"?

If I steal your life how am I to pay it back? Why should I be allowed to take your life and act as your judge, jury and executioner but not be held to the same standards?

But many killers act as executioner only. They don't bother with the judging. Killing is either an end in itself or a means to an end.

Capital punishment is just that - punishment. A form of punishment for crimes commited within the context of our broader criminal "justice" system.

However if we read our Plato (The Republic) we know that man is incapable of doing actual justice, for as Plato painstakingly concludes, for a man to be just, he must be all-knowing. So we just do our best, without deluding ourselves into believing that we can actually achieve justice.
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PostSubject: Re: Are you pro-death penalty   Fri Sep 09, 2011 8:14 am

Any man who brings Plato into a discussion about tits should be executed.
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PostSubject: Re: Are you pro-death penalty   Fri Sep 09, 2011 8:24 am

Oh I dunno. Bring a bit of class into the discussion and I'm all for flashing my tits in appreciation......
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PostSubject: Re: Are you pro-death penalty   Fri Sep 09, 2011 8:41 am

Ravenstone wrote:
Good name in man and woman, dear my lord,
Is the immediate jewel of their souls:
Who steals my purse steals trash; 'tis something, nothing;
'Twas mine, 'tis his, and has been slave to thousands:
But he that filches from me my good name
Robs me of that which not enriches him
And makes me poor indeed.


There is a difference between property theft, and theft of something which has no intrinsic value, but which - nevertheless - is priceless. The two things cannot be treated the same way.

Agreed. They can't be treated the same and they are not treated the same; steal a car, the state imprisons you and forces you to make restitution. Steal a life and get the electric chair or lethal injection.

I can live without the death penalty if for no other reason than to be absolutely sure no one is wrongly put to death, but it's not a make or break item for me.
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