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PostSubject: 16mm   16mm EmptyFri Sep 09, 2011 7:27 pm

Next week I'm going to put together a film on this format. I was just wondering if anyone here shot on 16mm before, and what were your experiences?
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PostSubject: Re: 16mm   16mm EmptyFri Sep 09, 2011 7:39 pm

Shot on it for school -- have you shot on it before? Is there anything in particular you need to know? Are you doing anything with it you haven't done before? And what camera are you using?
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PostSubject: Re: 16mm   16mm EmptyFri Sep 09, 2011 9:35 pm

Shot some reversal stock 16mm, most of it using a wind-up camera. Reversal is like Super--8, if you underexpose you're screwed (basically the opposite of shooting digital.) I haven't cut anything on 16mm, but it has to be TONS easier than 8, just because you could see what is in the frame easier.

If it is single system sound (with a magstripe on the film), the sound will be 16 or more frames out of line with the picture, which will make cutting dialog a nightmare.
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PostSubject: Re: 16mm   16mm EmptyFri Sep 09, 2011 9:48 pm

You can't really shoot much single system 16 any more, I don't think anyone makes it, and the editing capacities just aren't there -- much less finding a lab that would process it.

The best thing about reversal-16 is the great vivid colours you get.
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PostSubject: Re: 16mm   16mm EmptySun Sep 25, 2011 2:32 am

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Are you doing anything with it you haven't done before? And what camera are you using?

I'm using a Bolex.

Have you ever experimented with putting anything on the lens, for a visual effect? Such as some pantyhose?

I'd like to experiment with it one of these days.
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PostSubject: Re: 16mm   16mm EmptySun Sep 25, 2011 3:34 pm

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Fairbairn-Sykes wrote:
Are you doing anything with it you haven't done before? And what camera are you using?

I'm using a Bolex.

Have you ever experimented with putting anything on the lens, for a visual effect? Such as some pantyhose?

Vaseline's another thing they used to put on lenses. I'm not joking.
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PostSubject: Re: 16mm   16mm EmptySun Sep 25, 2011 4:26 pm

I'm surprised to read you're still working with filmstock, Brown. Is there any point these days?
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PostSubject: Re: 16mm   16mm EmptySun Sep 25, 2011 4:27 pm

Brown's got standards. That's why he hired Helga Kurylenko.
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PostSubject: Re: 16mm   16mm EmptySun Sep 25, 2011 4:33 pm

Helga's mum made a few 8mms in the 1970s. The Spy Who Came in the Cold was followed by Smiley's Steeple, IIRC.

They were soon displaced by Baker's Street's lighthearted Oppers Cums A Cropper series.
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PostSubject: Re: 16mm   16mm EmptyThu Sep 29, 2011 12:09 am

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I'm surprised to read you're still working with filmstock, Brown. Is there any point these days?

Nah, there isn't much of a point to it. But, it's a nice challenge. And, at $25 per 100 ft. (about 3 mins. of footage), plus processing fees, there's more incentive to be precise. I enjoy the look of film, too.

I read that the Canon 7D closely mimics the look and feel of 35mm film, though. I'd like to get one soon.

I think any budding "filmmaker" should be forced to use film, at one point or another. A lot of the "filmmakers" I know don't even know how to use a light meter. Working with film teaches a lot of the fundamentals, in regards to light work, framing, etc. These basics transition well into digital filmmaking, resulting in less trial-and-error shooting and more control over a production.

However, on YouTube, none of that matters.
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PostSubject: Re: 16mm   16mm EmptyThu Sep 29, 2011 12:15 am

I believe Michael Bay is mentoring CASINOROYALE.

Something about needing reinforcements.
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PostSubject: Re: 16mm   16mm EmptyThu Sep 29, 2011 12:18 am

laugh

I can't wait to be the guy who brings CASINOROYALE coffee every day on the set.
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PostSubject: Re: 16mm   16mm EmptyThu Sep 29, 2011 12:19 am

Yeah in film school they teach us film first, before letting us use digital because it teaches us to take care with our compositions, how to light and expose properly, and respect for time and resources (not taking millions of takes just because in digital we can).

And yeah, if you want the soft focus look, use pantyhose instead of vaseline. Vaseline is a bitch to clean off.
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PostSubject: Re: 16mm   16mm EmptyThu Sep 29, 2011 12:23 am

Fairbairn-Sykes wrote:
Yeah in film school they teach us film first, before letting us use digital because it teaches us to take care with our compositions, how to light and expose properly, and respect for time and resources (not taking millions of takes just because in digital we can).

Shooting in black & white can help as well. Improves your lighting and use of shadows, previsualisation, and is generally faster than colour film stock, allowing for better deep focus (though that was more of an issue in the old days)..
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PostSubject: Re: 16mm   16mm EmptyThu Sep 29, 2011 12:34 am

Agreed. We start on b/w 8mm, then colour reversal 16, then negative Super16 and finally 35. In between we also move up the digital food chain from miniDV up through flash cards and disc storage and so on.
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PostSubject: Re: 16mm   16mm EmptyThu Sep 29, 2011 12:37 am

What service do you go through for transferring film to digital, FS?
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PostSubject: Re: 16mm   16mm EmptyThu Sep 29, 2011 1:45 am

There used to be a lab in Edmonton, but I believe it's closed down now, so everything has to be shipped to Vancouver.
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PostSubject: Re: 16mm   16mm EmptyFri Sep 30, 2011 4:55 am

Sharky wrote:
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Are you doing anything with it you haven't done before? And what camera are you using?

I'm using a Bolex.

Have you ever experimented with putting anything on the lens, for a visual effect? Such as some pantyhose?

Vaseline's another thing they used to put on lenses. I'm not joking.

Screen door material right in front of the lens is kinda useful for image-softening as well -- also good for creating a smoke effect if you fold it over twice in a cylinder in front of the lens and actually rotate it while shooting. If I ever my get s8 stuff transferred, I will have to make some screen grabs up.
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