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Any point you made is negated by the way you made one of the most brazenly racist tirades I've ever seen:
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Tornadoes touch down in North Texas!!

hey, my house is destroyed!!

my kids have no clothes to wear except what's on their back!!

they have no bed to sleep on!!

what can I salvage to make their life better?

I know...
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How typical!!

(or maybe he is looting - that's also 100% possible)

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You know he's not going to sell that Speaker even if his life and his children lives depended on it!!

They always put the ghetto blaster above everything else and you know it.

You should see the blacks that drive beat up old cars, yearly registration and inspection stickers expired years ago,

yet they have shiny 24 inch rims and a speaker in the trunk so big, they can barely shut the trunk cover.

Priorities, man... priorities!!

having a ghetto blaster is NOT a priority!!

If they can't afford to pay the necessary taxes and fees to keep that registration renewed every year and to keep that car maintained and inspected yearly to meet safety and emission standards, they shouldn't be driving that car!!
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You are right J7 them darkies, Kikes and sandniggers are not the victim of racism, they just misunderstand the best intentions people look towards them. How can they accuse other people of unchristian thoughts as inequality, Misogyny or even judging people by race................that is incredible and would never happen.

I blame them for thinking all wrong. :shock: :*p*:
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How can they accuse other people of unchristian thoughts as inequality, Misogyny or even judging people by race................that is incredible and would never happen.

So misogyny gets a majuscule letter, these days, eh? Now go and look up misandry. Funny how that one's never on the Left's checklist.

You really want to go with hatred of men and boys as a actual problem in our society????

And that is a problem???

You surprise me there and how is that something left of the leftish agenda?

But not surprising enough you pick one part of a somewhat sarcastic answer towards J7's strange views as a problem for you to respond on. :roll:
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That's racist?

Reminds me of the fuss over the KFC ad from a few years ago that had cricket fans from the West Indies eating chicken and it was supposedly outrageous. Basically, any dark-skinned individual having a positive outlook on chicken is now racist.
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You really want to go with hatred of men and boys as a actual problem in our society????

Yes, it concerns me almost as much as poor punctuation. You and J7 are more alike than your realise. I suggest you sacrifice yourselves for the greater good, like obedient little Marxists.

Excuse me for my poor punctuation, English being my second language, but I'll try to improve and thank you for your feedback.

I am not a Marxist but perhaps you like to label anybody thinking differently in that fashion.

Oh and nobody has considered my person little since aroundmy 16th birthday. ;)
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I am not a Marxist
You believe that the only thing that holds back the masses is a lizard-like bourgeoisie and that their overthrow is key to a utopian society. Sprinkle with a bit of anti-Americanism, a few anti-Israeli comments, banker bashing, and some pathetic excuses for Islamic fundamentalism, and it sounds a lot like Marxism to me, albeit an unwitting version.

I do not believe in a utopian society but believe that my taxmoney should be used for a better society instead of spending it on war, true. There are aspects of the American society I find not to my liking (as do you dislike the European model of wellfare state it seems), and considering the power the US wants to hold over the rest of the world it seems fair I have an opinion. It seems to wrong to be against anything the Israeli-state comes up, but I find them not without flaws as do many but that seems to get shouted down as anti-sematism.
I am against banks in the sense that I am forced to use them otherwise I get no salary, I have no say in that matter. I get 3% interest on my money but as soon as I get an slight overdraft they make me pay 14,5% interest. If they fu*k up during a large crisis mainly due to unsupervised moneygrabbing excercises I get to pay for their mistakes through my taxmoney and then they pay it back through higher costs they charge me for having a bankaccount in the first place. Somehow that makes me feel really robbed. Especially when they then give themselves bonusses and higher salaries that are excessive in the eyes of most folks except of the ones getting the payments and those that have a hope of joining their ranks.
Islamic Fundamentalism I find wrong, As are most fundamentalisms in my view. However if all Muslims are considered dangerous I must protest since that is not the case. I do worry about the thread of the fundamentalism that lurks in central Asia with all those Islamic countries bordering Afghanistan (former Soviet republics turned Islamic) and the wisdom to attck the Taliban in one country when they have a whole region to hide and little or no oppossition in those other countries for their ideas. The current war on "terrorism" was lost when we entered Afghanistan, they made us spend excessive amounts of money in cost of War for a hunt we never could win. In our actions against them we gave the opposition a breedingground for hate against the West thus a whole new generation of nutjobs that want to die for Mother/Fatherland. A lose-lose scenario. With the death of Osama Bin Laden we did not win the war on terror, just chopped of one head. The war on Iraq made much less sense to me as it has destabilised the region with Iran having no real competition but the West. Their war against Saddam and Iraq is in essence over and won by our troops. They and their potential nuclear treat worries me in such a sense that I am afraid that either side (Us and them) could be capable of making a mistake that could cost us a lot.

I am also worried about the world my children have to live in be it envirormental wise or democratic. In my country there seems to be a current activity by those politicians in power to take away the power of our judges in favor of the politicians making new laws if they think that is a political gain. Trias politica seems to become a leg short. I worry about the factless populism that seems to run rampant in our national politics, as it looks in the US as well more than occasionaly. It worries me that in politics it seems to become more a game of blaming the right or the left for things instead of sitting together and look for real solutions that the majority of the citizens of a country would benefit instead of just the elite.

I believe that your interpretation from a US standpoint makes us "socialist" wellfare states look like communism but it is anything but. We live in a similar capatalist society but one that takes care of their citizens a bit more than you are used to or comfortable with.

I have family in Canada that slag of the wellfare state that the Netherlands is, but they kept up their payments in our country towards their pensions because they like the safetynet that the same state offers them.
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banker bashing

We should commend them for a job well done instead? laugh
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PostSubject: Re: The Issue of Racism in America   The Issue of Racism in America - Page 7 EmptySat Apr 07, 2012 2:14 am

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Attacking banks diverts attention away from the real culprits, the incompetent governments that the long suffering people © elect to manage their affairs. The political class has enriched itself though high taxation and made slaves of the ordinary working man © yet, oddly enough, this is more or less what the governments accuse the banks of doing.

The governments' refusal to balance their budgets - even in times of prosperity - was essential to pay for the hoards of overpaid public sector workers who do non-jobs yet draw index-linked final salary pensions. Thus the banks were saved not because the governments had any respect for the financial sector (even though they are one of the most important contributors to the Exchequer), but because they had become essential to governments' day to day finances. No banks would have meant no overpaid and unnecessary public sector.

Now you can start fucking laughing.


Ambler you should be published. Mark Steyn and others can only write so many books. We need fresh meat. Let your little blurb serve as the definitive response to those who babble on about the tyranny of the big banks.

The problem as always comes back to the statists and their big government agenda.
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PostSubject: Re: The Issue of Racism in America   The Issue of Racism in America - Page 7 EmptySat Apr 07, 2012 4:20 am

Newsflash:

It must be an election year. Obama has formally declared his protest of Augusta National's membership rules, on the weekend of the Masters naturally.

I'm not making this up. He really did. I'm sure there is a link somewhere.

When Hooters stops discriminating against my applications to work as a "server" and female gym clubs stop turning down my membership applications, I'll worry about Augusta National being a men's golf club. The Horror!
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Obama is a socialist who gets all bent out of shape and cries like a baby when he doesn't agree with something or something doesn't live up to his askew beliefs and low standards!!
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Obama is a socialist who gets all bent out of shape and cries like a baby when he doesn't agree with something or something doesn't live up to his askew beliefs and low standards!!

You could just say he's a clueless wank too and you woudn't be wrong.
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Erica Ambler wrote:
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banker bashing

We should commend them for a job well done instead? laugh

Attacking banks diverts attention away from the real culprits, the incompetent governments that the long suffering people ©️ elect to manage their affairs. The political class has enriched itself though high taxation and made slaves of the ordinary working man ©️ yet, oddly enough, this is more or less what the governments accuse the banks of doing.

The governments' refusal to balance their budgets - even in times of prosperity - was essential to pay for the hoards of overpaid public sector workers who do non-jobs yet draw index-linked final salary pensions. Thus the banks were saved not because the governments had any respect for the financial sector (even though they are one of the most important contributors to the Exchequer), but because they had become essential to governments' day to day finances. No banks would have meant no overpaid and unnecessary public sector.

Now you can start fucking laughing.



It must be nice to work in a sector where there is no real accountability. Any other industry would have rightly been left to die. Excusing the financial industry of all blame is cute though.

And as I said, if you think I care about you or anyone else attacking the public sector, you are terribly misguided. If I am told tomorrow that my job has become obsolete, I will thank them for the years of employment and move on.
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Newsflash:

It must be an election year. Obama has formally declared his protest of Augusta National's membership rules, on the weekend of the Masters naturally.

I'm not making this up. He really did. I'm sure there is a link somewhere.

When Hooters stops discriminating against my applications to work as a "server" and female gym clubs stop turning down my membership applications, I'll worry about Augusta National being a men's golf club. The Horror!

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/06/uk-golf-masters-obama-idUSLNE83500C20120406

This has been going on for years. Every other year or so some bitter, sexually-unfulfilled, hatchet-faced representative from NOW launches a publicity campaign to put pressure on The Augusta Master's Tournament to let women play, and every year the answer is: No. It's not so much that women want to play golf, but the idea that men can't have a time and a place to themselves; a club that exists for them to get together and discuss their lives, their business, have lunch, play a round of golf, and forget the cares of the world for a couple of hours. Feminists and Socialists (like Obama) don't want men (particularly white men) to be able to sequester themselves and enjoy themselves without thinking that their relaxation is somehow not as full as it could be if there were a woman around, or maybe a black or brown person.

I don't play golf, never have, never will; don't really give a crap about the sport. But I support the rights of this club and tournament to dictate who is allowed to play, who they allow to be among their members, and the rest of the world can stuff it if they don't like it.
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tiffanywint wrote:
Newsflash:

It must be an election year. Obama has formally declared his protest of Augusta National's membership rules, on the weekend of the Masters naturally.

I'm not making this up. He really did. I'm sure there is a link somewhere.

When Hooters stops discriminating against my applications to work as a "server" and female gym clubs stop turning down my membership applications, I'll worry about Augusta National being a men's golf club. The Horror!

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/06/uk-golf-masters-obama-idUSLNE83500C20120406

This has been going on for years. Every other year or so some bitter, sexually-unfulfilled, hatchet-faced representative from NOW launches a publicity campaign to put pressure on The Augusta Master's Tournament to let women play, and every year the answer is: No. It's not so much that women want to play golf, but the idea that men can't have a time and a place to themselves; a club that exists for them to get together and discuss their lives, their business, have lunch, play a round of golf, and forget the cares of the world for a couple of hours. Feminists and Socialists (like Obama) don't want men (particularly white men) to be able to sequester themselves and enjoy themselves without thinking that their relaxation is somehow not as full as it could be if there were a woman around, or maybe a black or brown person.

I don't play golf, never have, never will; don't really give a crap about the sport. But I support the rights of this club and tournament to dictate who is allowed to play, who they allow to be among their members, and the rest of the world can stuff it if they don't like it.

Well said, Gravy.
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I'm not concerned about junior employees. It's the executives who award themselves (and their spouses) six figure salaries plus large bonuses from the public finances. Most of these people would be unemployable in the private sector and it's exactly the sort of behaviour that politicians criticise in the banks. I would add that there's a big difference between conning shareholders in a private company and the systematic robbery of the taxpayer.
Exactly, as a society we need to keep pressure on politicians to keep the size and cost of the public sector in check, especially during boom times, which is when governments like to spend. Its almost a hopeless task though.

The public sector does provide a necessary and vital service. I wouldn't even demand the same level of efficiency as I would from a private sector operation. Without the profit motive, you are not going to get it. Bureuacratic inefficiency is a given. The challenge is simply to keep it in check as far as possible. Here in Toronto, our new populist Mayor essentially issued take-it-or-leave-it ultimatums to all the public sector unions. He won every battle, in that he was able to achieve his broader aim, which was not to reduce pay, but to deconstruct the system that had essentially mandated jobs for life, duplication, overstaffing, top-heavy management, redundant departments, and had hamstrung the city's ability to manage the service. But we needed a $ 3/4 billion budget shortfall, before the political will could even be summoned to elect such a Mayor, and let him loose on the unions and their enablers. Still the Stop-the-Cuts nuts riot in the streets.

Damn, I would take a public-service job that interested me (translation: I liked the pay) in a heartbeat, if the right situation arose. Someone needs to do these jobs. We need to get back to a time when we felt good about our public service.

James Bond is a public servant and he does a good job, and so did Moneypenny, back when she existed that is. :)
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This has been going on for years. Every other year or so some bitter, sexually-unfulfilled, hatchet-faced representative from NOW launches a publicity campaign to put pressure on The Augusta Master's Tournament to let women play, and every year the answer is: No. It's not so much that women want to play golf, but the idea that men can't have a time and a place to themselves; a club that exists for them to get together and discuss their lives, their business, have lunch, play a round of golf, and forget the cares of the world for a couple of hours. Feminists and Socialists (like Obama) don't want men (particularly white men) to be able to sequester themselves and enjoy themselves without thinking that their relaxation is somehow not as full as it could be if there were a woman around, or maybe a black or brown person.

I don't play golf, never have, never will; don't really give a crap about the sport. But I support the rights of this club and tournament to dictate who is allowed to play, who they allow to be among their members, and the rest of the world can stuff it if they don't like it.

My thoughts on Augusta are quite simple. Its always going to be an elitist club, because its arguably the most famous club in the world, as host of the Masters. I play golf. I would love to play a round there, but I don't know how I would go about it. The waiting list for non-member rounds would probably be years long and it would cost a fortune. Even finding your way onto the membership list would probably be cost prohibitive and take forever. But this is all ok. Its not without precedent.There are no shortage of private golf and ski clubs scattered about the world, that are booked solid, even if you've got the $ to cover the initiation fee. And this is OK. These clubs have maxed out their memberhship, which was their initial goal and business model. Supply and demand. Who cares. Trick is to get into these clubs in the early stages when they are looking for members, and if they are gender specific,(men or women) than you better have the right plumbing. If you don't have the right junk, you can't enter the Miss America contest either, although I see Trump has relented and will allow transgendered into his Miss Universe contests. laugh I'm not sure what Augusta's she/he policy is. They might have to consult Trump for advice although he'd probably try and barter a golf membership for his troubles.

It crossed my mind though that it might be sporting for Augusta to consider allowing some good female golfers to play the course from time to time. But I'm talking pros or top amateurs. They might enjoy the challenge of playing this unique course and would be worthy players. But for all I know, they already have. I just don't get their weekly emailer.

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Edit update: the article that GS posted is clear.

"Women are allowed to play the course if invited by a member but cannot become members themselves."

So good for them. Women can play the course. They just have to be invited, same as any other non-member.

"The club does not reveal its full list of members, believed to be around 300, although it is known that some of the powerful men from industry and finance, including Bill Gates and Warren Buffett, are members."

Realisitically, who in their right mind thinks they are going to get into this club. Its only got 300 members and I'm sure they are all stinking rich. Deal with it. Join another club or build your own Augusta and see if Gates wants to join. laugh

And as for the new female head honcho of IBM not being able to join, as her male predecessors have done, with IBM being a huge sponsor of the tournament - has anyone asked her if she cares? The woman runs IBM. She knows the game. She knows business. She's probably more concerned with ROI on IBM's substantial sponsorship outlay. She's probably leveraging her lack of "perk membership" for maximum extra concessions from the rich old bastards that run the place. She's probably got them by their shriveled old gonads.

She's a high powered business exec, not some pc nit politician, fussing about the unfairness of it all.
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I live in a hollowed out valley in the ground that's a nest for public servants and public servant unions. I am constantly told by colleagues and friends within government departments that it's the best job, great pay, best conditions... of course: where else could I work six hours a day photocopying and forwarding emails at 50k a year base plus super, with an hour within that day for knitting circle, yoga class, or whatever tickles my fancy?

Meanwhile, I work 30-40 hours a week at all hours of the day, study full time on top of that with 19 contact hours a week on top, plus another 16-20 or so for external study, another 10 hours for commuting each week and I get taxed up to a fourth of my weekly pay to pay for it all. Nor do I qualify for government benefits, including the youth allowance, when so many doing so less do.

And what is more, knowing many, many people hired in the public service... they're generally not the brightest of prospects. It's a haven for mediocre minds.
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My comment was not about you - I'm not concerned about junior employees.

You're cute when you try to rile me up.
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