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PostSubject: Re: The Issue of Racism in America   Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:25 pm

Whose anti-left. Just pro-rationality. The left is wonderful. I shoot left in hockey. Love left-over stew the next day. I'm sure I'd love the Left Bank, if I ever visited. Paul McCartney is a great left-handed bass player. Bobby Hull (Chicago Black Hawks) was an awesome Left-Winger. Andy Pettitte a great left-handed pitcher. Babe Ruth and Barry Bonds were both great left-handed sluggers. I love the left :cheers:
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PostSubject: Re: The Issue of Racism in America   Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:56 pm

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that the surplus might make for good cannon fodder if they have to go to war. Bizarre.

Cannon fodder wouldnt exist when nukes are in play. You cant plant 5 million guys in the middle of Beijing just as "cannon fodder" as if they'll somehow stop the bomb from killing the civilian next to them.

On the topic of Vesper's doco - we watched one (probably the same one) a few years ago back in my school days. The one thing I remembered was that someone joked how it would give rise to the greatest homosexual population the world has ever seen. laugh

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PostSubject: Re: The Issue of Racism in America   Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:07 am

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Cannon fodder wouldnt exist when nukes are in play. You cant plant 5 million guys in the middle of Beijing just as "cannon fodder" as if they'll somehow stop the bomb from killing the civilian next to them.
but armies do come in handy in conventional warfare.
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PostSubject: Re: The Issue of Racism in America   Sat Dec 17, 2011 10:12 am

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Why does everything automatically have to become anti-left with you guys?

What do you mean "you guys"?

As a person of color, I find that term "you guys" or "you people" highly offensive.
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PostSubject: Re: The Issue of Racism in America   Sat Dec 17, 2011 10:14 am

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Jack Wade wrote:

Why does everything automatically have to become anti-left with you guys?

What do you mean "you guys"?

He meant "you two" (timmer and PK).
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PostSubject: Re: The Issue of Racism in America   Sat Dec 17, 2011 5:36 pm

I smell Tropic Thunder.
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PostSubject: Re: The Issue of Racism in America   Wed Dec 28, 2011 6:26 am

Clearly this baby is racist because, as the President said, he was attracted to the President's "big nose". Imagine the outcry if a Republican had said that the baby was attracted to President Obama's "big nose"! Also, President Obama is prejudiced against half of himself (the black half) for even having made such a bigoted and stereotypical remark.

At least this mega-scandal was contained to the United States. Imagine the international firestorm that would have been created if this baby was being held by Benjamin Netanyahu, or an Italian Prime Minister.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/awwww-baby-puts-hand-in-president-obamas-mouth/

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PostSubject: Re: The Issue of Racism in America   Wed Dec 28, 2011 7:19 am

Let the record show, Obama considers his own nose to be big, at least to a white baby. Yawn. Or maybe the baby is racist, or maybe Obama is projecting racist thoughts on the baby, making Obama the racist.



Or maybe :idea: the baby just felt like grabbing at Obama's nose, big or otherwise.

No, couldn't be that innocent, could it?
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PostSubject: Re: The Issue of Racism in America   Wed Dec 28, 2011 8:19 am

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Let the record show, Obama considers his own nose to be big, at least to a white baby. Yawn. Or maybe the baby is racist, or maybe Obama is projecting racist thoughts on the baby, making Obama the racist.

Well, Obama did say this about his grandmother:
The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity. But she is a typical white person. If she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know. . .there's a reaction in her that doesn't go away and it comes out in the wrong way

The baby *IS* racist and just doesn't know it yet (see, you CAN be born that way), but Obama is racist against himself as well. Seeing as how he's half white, he must be afraid of himself every time he looks in a mirror. After all, that's just how TYPICAL WHITE PEOPLE respond to people they don't know (code for: scary black men).


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PostSubject: Re: The Issue of Racism in America   Wed Dec 28, 2011 12:00 pm

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Well, Obama did say this about his grandmother:
The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity. But she is a typical white person. If she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know. . .there's a reaction in her that doesn't go away and it comes out in the wrong way

The baby *IS* racist and just doesn't know it yet (see, you CAN be born that way), but Obama is racist against himself as well. Seeing as how he's half white, he must be afraid of himself every time he looks in a mirror. After all, that's just how TYPICAL WHITE PEOPLE respond to people they don't know (code for: scary black men).


You've reinforced the case, that the man is a babbling idiot. 11 more months.

To my American neighbors, please vote him out. Thank You.

I enjoyed Alice Cooper's Welcome To My Nighmare Part 2, cd release this year, but I don't need it to come true. :affraid:
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PostSubject: Re: The Issue of Racism in America   Wed Dec 28, 2011 5:58 pm

If we're going to criticize Obama for social issues like race and call him a "babbling idiot," it'd be pretty unfair not to mention the full-blown closed-head injury folks on the right running for presidency who are far worse.
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PostSubject: Re: The Issue of Racism in America   Wed Dec 28, 2011 6:49 pm

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If we're going to criticize Obama for social issues like race and call him a "babbling idiot," it'd be pretty unfair not to mention the full-blown closed-head injury folks on the right running for presidency who are far worse.
Vote for Obama then! 4 more years of out of control spending, economy crushing sovereign debt. The man is a socialist. He's a slave to every green whacko on the planet. He says one stupid thing after another. He cancels job-creating oil-pipelines from Canada, "to save the planet". He wouldn't get a vote in Canada other than from hard-core big government leftists. The man has had his 4 years, and he's proved beyond a shadow of a doubt, he is unfit to lead. He has no ideas whatsoever. He was a fraud fron Day One. It should have been obvious. Hope and Change. My ass. The way he talks about wealth re-distribution. He'd make Karl Marx blush. Even Matt Damon thinks he's useless although he still does have much support from the brain-dead Hollywood left. He'll get that vote at least.

If according to Obama, unequal wealth distribution is the primary problem plaguing the U.S. economy and its main causes are unbridled capitalism and an inequitable tax code, why haven't ever-expanding socialist solutions and a progressive tax system solved those problems? He actually talks about equal wealth-distribution, like it's a worthwhile goal. But it is of course if you are impressed by "Marxist thinking". Very trendly amongst the entitled classes in senior public service and the universities.

For the record, there of course is nothing racist about his baby nose comments. That's obvious. GS is joking around. Obama's comments about his mother though are simply moronic. I'll leave it to Obama's politically-correct, deep thinking advisors to police any and all utterances for racial prejudices.

From the Associated Press,regarding the pipeline from the Alberta oil sands to the USA.

"The Keystone XL pipeline would carry as much as 700,000 barrels of oil a day, doubling the capacity of an existing pipeline operated by TransCanada in the upper Midwest. Supporters say the pipeline to Texas could significantly reduce U.S. dependence on Middle Eastern oil while providing thousands of jobs.

TransCanada said in a statement it was disappointed in the delay but confident that the project ultimately will be approved. The company has previously said a delay could cost millions of dollars and keep thousands of people of from getting jobs.

Russ Girling, TransCanada's president and CEO, called the pipeline "shovel-ready," adding that it could create as many 20,000 jobs.

"If Keystone XL dies, Americans will still wake up the next morning and continue to import 10 million barrels of oil from repressive nations, without the benefit of thousands of jobs and long-term energy security," he said.

The American Petroleum Institute, the oil industry's chief lobbying group, said the decision put election-year politics above creation of thousands of jobs. "Whether it will help the president retain his job is unclear, but it will cost thousands of shovel-ready opportunities for American workers," said API president Jack Gerard.

House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, used similar language, saying Obama had sacrificed thousands of jobs "solely to appease his liberal base. It's a failure of leadership."

Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper, through a spokesman, said he also was disappointed.

"As we have consistently said, the pipeline will create thousands of jobs and billions in economic growth on both sides of the border," Harper said.

Green whackos are holding the White-House insane-asylum hostage. This clown of a President is screwing over America's neighbors and trading partners, as well as his own people. Last time I checked the global economy depended on a secure supply of oil. When Obama and Julia Louis-Dreyfus manage to pull that miracle replacement energy source out of their assess, please do let us know. In the mean time WE NEED OIL!

Canada will just ship its oil to Asia if Obama is going to be a big green dick. Let America go dark.

But Robert Redford and Susan Sarandon are high-fiving each other.
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PostSubject: Re: The Issue of Racism in America   Thu Dec 29, 2011 3:14 am

Obama isn't a socialist. That's pure paranoia.

Good article by the Science Monitor on the matter: http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2010/0701/Is-Obama-a-socialist-What-does-the-evidence-say

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"Socialism suggests getting rid of capitalism altogether," says Dr. Rachleff. "Mr. Obama is not within a million miles of an ideology like that."

There ya have it.
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PostSubject: Re: The Issue of Racism in America   Thu Dec 29, 2011 3:22 am

Well, socialism in its pure unbridled form is about that, but Obama's a social democrat. Like Clinton, Blair, Brown and Cameron, he's of the Third Way. In many ways this kind of centrism is more insidious than full blown communism, since it's a Trojan Horse. Sneaking in Marx through the back door. At least with the USSR there were clear lines.
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PostSubject: dd   Thu Dec 29, 2011 3:29 am

[quote="Jack Wade"]Obama isn't a socialist. That's pure paranoia.

Good article by the Science Monitor on the matter: http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2010/0701/Is-Obama-a-socialist-What-does-the-evidence-say

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"Socialism suggests getting rid of capitalism altogether," says Dr. Rachleff. "Mr. Obama is not within a million miles of an ideology like that."

No. That's communism. Socialism's aims are more circumscribed. And they align with Obama's. For all intents and purposes, he's a socialist. Then again, so are a great many American voters even if they don't realize it.d
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PostSubject: Re: The Issue of Racism in America   Thu Dec 29, 2011 3:35 am

He's a socialist in the very vaguest of forms. It's like calling W. a fascist. It's just political propaganda.
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PostSubject: Re: The Issue of Racism in America   Thu Dec 29, 2011 4:23 am

No, he's a center-left socialist, just like our David Cameron is. Nothing vague about that.
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PostSubject: Re: The Issue of Racism in America   Thu Dec 29, 2011 4:47 am

He's for big government, I'll concede that, but certainly not a socialist.

Here's some perspective from real socialists:

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Those who call Obama a socialist, though, point to his policies. Big on their hit list: "Obamacare," which they call "socialized medicine."

Socialists scoff at the notion. They don't applaud the passage of the recent health care bill either. They wanted a national "single-payer" health insurance plan with a government option. The bill that Obama championed didn't have any of those features.

Wharton said the new health care bill only strengthens private health insurance companies. They get 32 million new customers and no incentive to change -- something a socialist wouldn't accept.

"Most of it was authored by the health care industry," Wharton says. "I call it the corporate restructuring of health care."

Other critics point to Obama's Wall Street bailout -- which actually had its roots in the Bush administration. Critics say it's socialistic for government to assume control of private industry.

Frank Llewellyn, national director of the Democratic Socialists of America, says the bailout had nothing to do with socialism.

Llewellyn says a socialist leader would have at least nationalized some of the troubled banks.

"He gave them [the banks] too much with no strings attached," Llewellyn says. "Banks that were too big to fail are bigger, and they can still fail."

How about Obama's bailout of the Detroit auto industry? During the bailout, the federal government assumed partial ownership of General Motors.

"It's not socialism," Llewellyn says. "The mere fact that the government owns something or has a stake in it, doesn't make it socialist. If that was true, you would say that we have a socialist army. The government owns the army."

Defining socialism is complex, Llewellyn says, but it starts with a simple goal: Socialists want to introduce democratic features into the economy to reduce inequality.

The economy has "to be run for the overall benefit of the entire population, not for the benefits of a very few people."

By that measure, Obama's economic policies are not socialist, he says.

"He's trying to save capitalism from itself rather than a radical trying to change into a new system," Llewellyn says.

http://articles.cnn.com/2010-04-14/politics/Obama.socialist_1_socialist-agenda-democratic-socialists-health-care-bill/2?_s=PM:POLITICS
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PostSubject: Re: The Issue of Racism in America   Thu Dec 29, 2011 4:53 am

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Well, socialism in its pure unbridled form is about that, but Obama's a social democrat. Like Clinton, Blair, Brown and Cameron, he's of the Third Way. In many ways this kind of centrism is more insidious than full blown communism, since it's a Trojan Horse. Sneaking in Marx through the back door.

I must say, if Blair, Brown and Cameron have managed to sneak Marx into Britain through the back door (or have even attempted to do so) I certainly haven't noticed any evidence of it. On the contrary, these last three prime ministers seem to have presided over a golden age of greedy bankers, big business and crony capitalism. The welfare state is under attack. Where's the socialism in contemporary British politics, let alone the Marxism? Or do you believe that the mere existence of, say, the NHS is some sort of communist monstrosity?
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PostSubject: Re: The Issue of Racism in America   Thu Dec 29, 2011 4:57 am

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Jack Wade wrote:
Obama isn't a socialist. That's pure paranoia.

Good article by the Science Monitor on the matter: http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2010/0701/Is-Obama-a-socialist-What-does-the-evidence-say

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"Socialism suggests getting rid of capitalism altogether," says Dr. Rachleff. "Mr. Obama is not within a million miles of an ideology like that."

No. That's communism. Socialism's aims are more circumscribed. And they align with Obama's. For all intents and purposes, he's a socialist. Then again, so are a great many American voters even if they don't realize it.d

Indeed. Kind of like Kolanda:

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PostSubject: Re: The Issue of Racism in America   Thu Dec 29, 2011 6:03 am

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Indeed. Kind of like Kolanda

My current favorite is Angel Adams of Tampa, Florida.

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But the best part comes at the 2:20 mark, where she mentions that "somebodies gots to pay....be held accountable...for all our suffering". Honeychile, somebodies is beings held accountable fo' yo' po' desishun makin;: the Hillsborough County tax payas. Word.
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PostSubject: Re: The Issue of Racism in America   Thu Dec 29, 2011 6:14 am

Obama is more socialist than members of our New Democratic Party, most of whom will happily identify as socialist. They attach no stigma with the label.

I do realize in the States though, that the label is pure poison, so it does serve a propaganda purpose, however I will happily call him a socialist because his big-government, wealth re-distribution, economy crushing, standard-of-living destroying, poverty-perpetuating, nanny-state world-view, is more strident than anything we've had to combat up here, from politicians that do proudly wear the socialist label.

Its utterly disgusting that he would greenwash himself at the expense of a perfectly viable oil pipeline, that both economies would greatly benefit from. He's trying to put off a decision until 2013, so he doesn't lose the leftist green vote in 2012.

Someone should sick Elektra King on him. That woman didn't take any crap when it came to her pipeline.

Even Canada's leftist politicians are distancing themselves from him. Even they understand, we need to get this oil moving.

Personally I think oil will be driving our economies for at least another 100 years. We are a long way from being able to harness viable alternative energy sources, let alone competently bring them to market.


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PostSubject: s   Thu Dec 29, 2011 6:15 am

Jack Wade wrote:
He's for big government, I'll concede that, but certainly not a socialist.

Here's some perspective from real socialists:

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Those who call Obama a socialist, though, point to his policies. Big on their hit list: "Obamacare," which they call "socialized medicine."

Socialists scoff at the notion. They don't applaud the passage of the recent health care bill either. They wanted a national "single-payer" health insurance plan with a government option. The bill that Obama championed didn't have any of those features.

Wharton said the new health care bill only strengthens private health insurance companies. They get 32 million new customers and no incentive to change -- something a socialist wouldn't accept.

"Most of it was authored by the health care industry," Wharton says. "I call it the corporate restructuring of health care."

Other critics point to Obama's Wall Street bailout -- which actually had its roots in the Bush administration. Critics say it's socialistic for government to assume control of private industry.

Frank Llewellyn, national director of the Democratic Socialists of America, says the bailout had nothing to do with socialism.

Llewellyn says a socialist leader would have at least nationalized some of the troubled banks.

"He gave them [the banks] too much with no strings attached," Llewellyn says. "Banks that were too big to fail are bigger, and they can still fail."

How about Obama's bailout of the Detroit auto industry? During the bailout, the federal government assumed partial ownership of General Motors.

"It's not socialism," Llewellyn says. "The mere fact that the government owns something or has a stake in it, doesn't make it socialist. If that was true, you would say that we have a socialist army. The government owns the army."

Defining socialism is complex, Llewellyn says, but it starts with a simple goal: Socialists want to introduce democratic features into the economy to reduce inequality.

The economy has "to be run for the overall benefit of the entire population, not for the benefits of a very few people."

By that measure, Obama's economic policies are not socialist, he says.

"He's trying to save capitalism from itself rather than a radical trying to change into a new system," Llewellyn says.

http://articles.cnn.com/2010-04-14/politics/Obama.socialist_1_socialist-agenda-democratic-socialists-health-care-bill/2?_s=PM:POLITICS

The guy loses all credibility right there. If governmental takeover (nationalization) of a private enterprise isn't a socialist policy, what praytell, is? Obama's a socialist alright. But he doesn't have enough support in Congress to implement his desired agenda. Thus he's getting away with as much socialism as he possibly can. Piecemeal socialism. Four more years of Obama and then a few more like him afterwards and America's economy will be almost totally socialized.
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PostSubject: Re: The Issue of Racism in America   Thu Dec 29, 2011 6:17 am

It's funny to hear Obama described as a socialist. He's no ideologue, he's an empty suit that will veer in whichever direction is necessary to get re-elected. And the shower the GOP has propped up so far as their candidates might just allow him to do so.
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PostSubject: Re: The Issue of Racism in America   Thu Dec 29, 2011 6:27 am

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The welfare state is under attack.


Barely, and what little attack that's there is from the few surviving strains of conservatism in the (mostly dead) Tory Party.

No, the welfare state's doing just fine. In fact, it's got a whole generation of brainwashed useful idiots (mostly in Nu Labour) who will set on anyone who dares say a bad word about the NHS, regulation of banks, climate change lobbies or state school system like trained Dobermans. Who do I blame? The BBC, the UK academe, and the self-serving political class.

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Where's the socialism in contemporary British politics, let alone the Marxism? Or do you believe that the mere existence of, say, the NHS is some sort of communist monstrosity?

It's all there before your eyes. "The Big Society", the Occupy Movement, the BBC, the nearly indistinguishable three leading parties (give or take a few polices here and there), the NUT and etc.

Cultural Marxism has been ingrained in British politics since WWII, and it ain't going nowhere.



Simply change that slogan to "Obey, Live Green, Don't Question, and Pay Insane Taxes. We are the BBC."
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