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Makeshift Python
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| | Subject: Re: Bond 25 (2019) Sun Nov 08, 2015 7:55 am | |
| I doubt they'll pull a OHMSS on this, unless they cast a new actor. |
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| | Subject: Re: Bond 25 (2019) Sun Nov 08, 2015 9:38 pm | |
| - Gravity's Silhouette wrote:
- I'd suggest putting the series on ice for about 10 years and then coming back with a set of films set in the 50's (and with a lower budget).
This. "Retro" is fashionable so the time is right to make a period-set Bond with Fassbender or someone else. Having said that, The Man From U.N.C.L.E bombed, so would general audiences really want it? I'd love to see it, although I don't want to wait ten years! The Craig era has been frustratingly indecisive, never really knowing which way to go, whether it be a complete reinvention or not. SKYFALL was pitch perfect in my opinion, and was where I think the Craig era should have started in the first place. If Bond 25 could get back to that, I'm happy with Craig to continue - I think he's (mostly) great. |
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| | Subject: Re: Bond 25 (2019) Sun Nov 08, 2015 9:59 pm | |
| - G section wrote:
- Gravity's Silhouette wrote:
- I'd suggest putting the series on ice for about 10 years and then coming back with a set of films set in the 50's (and with a lower budget).
This. "Retro" is fashionable so the time is right to make a period-set Bond with Fassbender or someone else. Having said that, The Man From U.N.C.L.E bombed, so would general audiences really want it? I'd love to see it, although I don't want to wait ten years!
The Craig era has been frustratingly indecisive, never really knowing which way to go, whether it be a complete reinvention or not. SKYFALL was pitch perfect in my opinion, and was where I think the Craig era should have started in the first place. If Bond 25 could get back to that, I'm happy with Craig to continue - I think he's (mostly) great. I reluctantly suggest doing "retro" only because I think it's the one true way to get back to the kinds of stories Fleming told without having to worry about political correctness. EON is a huge trend follower, not a starter, so it would seem to make sense that they'd jump on the retro bandwagon. But period pieces can be expensive and there's less cross-promotional opportunities available, so a retro movie is unlikely. And with Babs wanting to use the films as a method for spreading her political beliefs, she's not likely to take Bond back to the past and let him get away his racism, homophobia, sexism and "white privilege" without being challenged. |
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| | Subject: Re: Bond 25 (2019) Mon Nov 09, 2015 4:23 am | |
| - G section wrote:
- Gravity's Silhouette wrote:
- I'd suggest putting the series on ice for about 10 years and then coming back with a set of films set in the 50's (and with a lower budget).
This. "Retro" is fashionable so the time is right to make a period-set Bond with Fassbender or someone else. Having said that, The Man From U.N.C.L.E bombed, so would general audiences really want it? I'd love to see it, although I don't want to wait ten years!
The Craig era has been frustratingly indecisive, never really knowing which way to go, whether it be a complete reinvention or not. SKYFALL was pitch perfect in my opinion, and was where I think the Craig era should have started in the first place. If Bond 25 could get back to that, I'm happy with Craig to continue - I think he's (mostly) great. The greatest hits thing was set up at the very end of SKYFALL, promising that the next one would basically be a more contemporary take on the Connery films. I don't think SKYFALL, or even CASINO ROYALE for that matter, were meant to represent what Bond films would be like. They were special one-offs, done to do something different from the formula before getting back on that again. |
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| | Subject: Re: Bond 25 (2019) Mon Nov 09, 2015 5:45 am | |
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The set up by Skyfall was perfect to go into a more traditional Bond film. Which is why it is so incredibly frustrating that they could drop the ball and add all Blofeld childhood backstory to it.
For the casual viewer I can understand. But anybody with some basic familiarity with the Bond series will know that if the film is called SPECTRE then the main villain is going to be Blofeld. So why not give us a proper SPECTRE/Blofeld film. No need for all of it.
They should have nixed the traitor aspect within MI6 and focused on the intelligence stealing plot more. Have SPECTRE perform the terror acts that were in the film, but that intelligence knew about it but somehow they managed to still pull it off and counter their every move. Bond is sent to investigate how they are intercepting intelligence agency info. Focus on SPECTRE as being the true driving force behind CR, QoS, SF, etc.
Perhaps the weirdest thing of the whole film is Bond protecting the daughter of the man who tortured his lover. And then walks off hand in hand, smitten and in love with the daughter of the man who tortured his lover. I understand, she's different from her father. But for the rather emotional, deep side they have been showing of Bond of late (QoS) it's hard to fathom he'd be thrilled by the idea. Then again he banged Fields only hours after Vesper died, so...
And why the decided to have Blofeld get captured at the end, I'll never know. Talk about writing themselves in the corner. Should have just had him escape in his chopper and that's it.
Anyway, end of rant...
You don't need all the emotional back story and baggage to make a good film. You can have a more traditional/comical Bond film that's still well plotted without some odd twist from his past.
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| | Subject: Re: Bond 25 (2019) Mon Nov 09, 2015 6:25 am | |
| - Moore wrote:
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The set up by Skyfall was perfect to go into a more traditional Bond film. Which is why it is so incredibly frustrating that they could drop the ball and add all Blofeld childhood backstory to it.
For the casual viewer I can understand. But anybody with some basic familiarity with the Bond series will know that if the film is called SPECTRE then the main villain is going to be Blofeld. So why not give us a proper SPECTRE/Blofeld film. No need for all of it.
They should have nixed the traitor aspect within MI6 and focused on the intelligence stealing plot more. Have SPECTRE perform the terror acts that were in the film, but that intelligence knew about it but somehow they managed to still pull it off and counter their every move. Bond is sent to investigate how they are intercepting intelligence agency info. Focus on SPECTRE as being the true driving force behind CR, QoS, SF, etc.
Perhaps the weirdest thing of the whole film is Bond protecting the daughter of the man who tortured his lover. And then walks off hand in hand, smitten and in love with the daughter of the man who tortured his lover. I understand, she's different from her father. But for the rather emotional, deep side they have been showing of Bond of late (QoS) it's hard to fathom he'd be thrilled by the idea. Then again he banged Fields only hours after Vesper died, so...
And why the decided to have Blofeld get captured at the end, I'll never know. Talk about writing themselves in the corner. Should have just had him escape in his chopper and that's it.
Anyway, end of rant...
You don't need all the emotional back story and baggage to make a good film. You can have a more traditional/comical Bond film that's still well plotted without some odd twist from his past.
It's interesting because MGW said that they always look at FRWL to emulate, but end up making a TB. Neither film has an emotional backstory with half assed twists. |
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| | Subject: Re: Bond 25 (2019) Mon Nov 09, 2015 6:55 am | |
| Please....no more nods to anything from the past.
It's older than Dench's granny panties. |
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| | Subject: Re: Bond 25 (2019) Mon Nov 09, 2015 6:58 am | |
| - FieldsMan wrote:
- Moore wrote:
- Spoiler:
The set up by Skyfall was perfect to go into a more traditional Bond film. Which is why it is so incredibly frustrating that they could drop the ball and add all Blofeld childhood backstory to it.
For the casual viewer I can understand. But anybody with some basic familiarity with the Bond series will know that if the film is called SPECTRE then the main villain is going to be Blofeld. So why not give us a proper SPECTRE/Blofeld film. No need for all of it.
They should have nixed the traitor aspect within MI6 and focused on the intelligence stealing plot more. Have SPECTRE perform the terror acts that were in the film, but that intelligence knew about it but somehow they managed to still pull it off and counter their every move. Bond is sent to investigate how they are intercepting intelligence agency info. Focus on SPECTRE as being the true driving force behind CR, QoS, SF, etc.
Perhaps the weirdest thing of the whole film is Bond protecting the daughter of the man who tortured his lover. And then walks off hand in hand, smitten and in love with the daughter of the man who tortured his lover. I understand, she's different from her father. But for the rather emotional, deep side they have been showing of Bond of late (QoS) it's hard to fathom he'd be thrilled by the idea. Then again he banged Fields only hours after Vesper died, so...
And why the decided to have Blofeld get captured at the end, I'll never know. Talk about writing themselves in the corner. Should have just had him escape in his chopper and that's it.
Anyway, end of rant...
You don't need all the emotional back story and baggage to make a good film. You can have a more traditional/comical Bond film that's still well plotted without some odd twist from his past.
It's interesting because MGW said that they always look at FRWL to emulate, but end up making a TB. Neither film has an emotional backstory with half assed twists. Given that Craig's run is laced with emotional backstory, I think that's where it mostly comes from, so they're just continuing that. Besides, TB has Domino's story about finding out her beloved brother was killed and avenges him by killing Largo. No half-ass twists in that one, of course. I think the reason Blofeld was captured at the end was done just in case Craig actually decided to leave the series for certain, so that his run won't end with Blofeld still being at large like what happened with Sean Connery's sudden exit. If Craig leaves, his run will have ended with taking down the man who was in the shadows all along. If he returns, Blofeld is still available to use for many different reasons, depending on where they go with it. |
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| | Subject: Re: Bond 25 (2019) Mon Nov 09, 2015 11:46 am | |
| I don't see any way this comes out in 2017. Bond films have been pretty fickle just making it to production because of behind-the-scenes shit, and with distribution rights up for grabs for Bond 25, 2018 seems more likely. |
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| | Subject: Re: Bond 25 (2019) Mon Nov 09, 2015 12:10 pm | |
| Wilson seems confident that a deal will be made by February which will allow them to get to work on Bond 25.
Whether they manage to make a film by 2017 depends greatly on behind the scenes, of course. MGM tried to go with the original slated 2014 release for Bond 24 but no filmmaker thought there was enough time for proper development. It was only because of pushing it a year later that they were finally able to convince Mendes to get on board. If they're smart, they're already talking to potential filmmakers and if someone is interested they'll save the announcement only once the ink on a new deal has dried. |
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| | Subject: Re: Bond 25 (2019) Mon Nov 09, 2015 12:24 pm | |
| - Makeshift Python wrote:
- Wilson seems confident that a deal will be made by February which will allow them to get to work on Bond 25.
Whether they manage to make a film by 2017 depends greatly on behind the scenes, of course. MGM tried to go with the original slated 2014 release for Bond 24 but no filmmaker thought there was enough time for proper development. It was only because of pushing it a year later that they were finally able to convince Mendes to get on board. If they're smart, they're already talking to potential filmmakers and if someone is interested they'll save the announcement only once the ink on a new deal has dried. Yep, this. But it's doubtful. They didn't have enough brains to realise the idea behind the villain SP was bonkers, plus I'm sure they're exhausted by making the film. I guess it comes down to: - Whether Craig wants to be in it or not (they'll push 2017 just to keep him around I imagine. 2018 will definitely be pushing it) - Deal with studios - Availability of other actors (Harris, Wishaw, Fiennes and Waltz? Seydoux?) - Script, writers - Director - Finding a new actor to play Bond? - How SP continues to be received. Lots of variables… I feel like I'm forgetting a crucial one. |
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| | Subject: Re: Bond 25 (2019) Mon Nov 09, 2015 12:30 pm | |
| - FieldsMan wrote:
- - Availability of other actors (Harris, Wishaw, Fiennes and Waltz? Seydoux?)
Aren't they contracted for these? I thought I read that they were. |
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| | Subject: Re: Bond 25 (2019) Mon Nov 09, 2015 12:32 pm | |
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| | Subject: Re: Bond 25 (2019) Mon Nov 09, 2015 12:43 pm | |
| Kinda hope, cause I'd love to see them for awhile in the roles, even beyond Craig if that's possible.
I remember John Cleese was contracted to return for multiple films, only in that case EON simply didn't bother asking him back and waited until it expired. Could do the same with other if EON desired. |
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| | Subject: Re: Bond 25 (2019) Mon Nov 09, 2015 1:25 pm | |
| I would be way too distracted if Rose Leslie were cast.  But yeah, as much as I love Lois Maxwell, I don't really want to have another Grandma Moneypenny situation again. I doubt that'll ever happen with Naomie though. I think whoever is cast after Craig should be the last run for the current MI6 team. When a Bond #8 is cast in who knows when that's when I want whole new MI6 crew. Maybe I'm thinking way ahead. |
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| | Subject: Re: Bond 25 (2019) Mon Nov 09, 2015 1:33 pm | |
| I saw her in the first season of Downton Abbey (you know, before it went to shit) and towards the end of the season was practically her audition for Moneypenny.
I imagine Naomie Harris will move on with Craig to be honest. I think she'll do a Samantha Bond and just work with the current Bond. Actually, I think I read an article and she says she wants to continue WITH Craig… She's had her hand in quite a few bigger projects lately so I'm not sure she'll stick around for a role as small as Moneypenny (even if they keep it as small as SP). I could be confusing this with wishful thinking though. |
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| | Subject: Re: Bond 25 (2019) Mon Nov 09, 2015 1:38 pm | |
| I haven't seen Downton Abbey, but I've seen her in Game of Thrones. |
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| | Subject: Re: Bond 25 (2019) Mon Nov 09, 2015 4:57 pm | |
| I'd be distracted by Sterling being cast. Most things I've seen her in since Tipping the Velvet makes me think how much she's like her mother. The latest episode of the Detectorists has her pulling faces that wouldn't have looked out of place on Rigg in the Avengers.
Maybe she plays a fleeting character married to an Italian count and a per chant for fast cars and beachcombing. |
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| | Subject: Re: Bond 25 (2019) Mon Nov 09, 2015 8:14 pm | |
| I've only seen Stirling in the brilliant Doctor Who episode 'The Crimson Horror' (specifically written by Mark Gatiss for her and her mother to appear in together). |
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| | Subject: Re: Bond 25 (2019) Tue Nov 10, 2015 10:12 pm | |
| I think she's a good actress but as I say part of me wishes there was a way (down the unofficial route) of her doing the Tracy role in OHMSS (maybe truer to the book vis a vis the proposal scene).
If Disney took on Bond I dare-say we'd have scores of off-shoot films, ha |
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| | Subject: Re: Bond 25 (2019) Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:37 pm | |
| Disney's "The James Bond Anthology", which would include a film on Christmas Jones's backstory. |
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| | Subject: Re: Bond 25 (2019) Wed Nov 11, 2015 9:51 pm | |
| - Control wrote:
- Disney's "The James Bond Anthology", which would include a film on Christmas Jones's backstory.
yes, played by Reese Witherspoon in Legally Blonde mode and with voiceover narration.  |
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| | Subject: Re: Bond 25 (2019) Thu Nov 12, 2015 8:11 am | |
| After seeing SPECTRE last night, I'm pretty sure I can see where Craig's series will go:
BOND 25 should run with the idea of Blofeld leading Spectre astray; that they originally existed as an organisation dedicated to controlling the course of human history, funding Nazism and extremism as a means of challenging democracy - not for the sake of breaking it, but to ensure that democracy is the strongest idea guiding human development. But under Blofeld's leadership, it has simply devolved into making money; the idea is that an ideological legacy has become corrupted, and rather than the characters fighting for a cause, they are fighting for a place in history - which is pretty much what OHMSS is about.
BOND 26 would be the final confrontation between Bond and Blofeld. Spectre is broken, with only a few loyal followers holed up in a far away fortress - the Garden of Death - with Blofeld rendered powerless and feeling only hatred for Bond. The film ends with Blofeld's death and Bond walking away once abd for all. |
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| | Subject: Re: Bond 25 (2019) Thu Nov 12, 2015 1:03 pm | |
| I think there's a fair point to be made that in the positive response to Casino Royale, the Craig era was led a bit astray in what was appealing about the film. Casino Royale marked a change in numerous ways, yes, it had a love story at the start of it, elements of backstory, but the broad appeal was a Bond who bled, who had moments of visible internal conflict over his life choices. It's stuff like the scene where they find Solange's corpse, or the aftermath of killing Le Chifre's African backers, that we should have seen more of.
Instead we got more 'You're not going to let me back in there, you've got your armour back on'.
Then again, EON may well have plenty of quant and qual data suggesting the opposite. In that case I guess the above is more reflective of where I think they could strike the balance more effectively between the pretensions of what they want to do and what the traditional fans want. |
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