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PostSubject: Re: Australian Politics thread    Thu Nov 14, 2013 11:26 am

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After all, we had six years of Labor government. But we've had six *weeks* of Liberal government, so of course illegal arrivals are down.
Correct, it took the Libs just six weeks to get on track to fixing Labor's wreckage. Delicious.

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And since the government can hide behind the military, they don't have to reveal how many arrivals there have been, skewing the statistics even further.
Except for the part where they publicly release those statistics every week.

How sweet it is to have competent governance in this country. Your tears and the tears of the people smugglers you cherish make it all the sweeter.
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PostSubject: Re: Australian Politics thread    Thu Nov 14, 2013 2:05 pm

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After all, we had six years of Labor government. But we've had six *weeks* of Liberal government, so of course illegal arrivals are down.
Correct, it took the Libs just six weeks to get on track to fixing Labor's wreckage. Delicious.
Just when I think your stupidity knows no bounds, you go ahead and prove me wrong with maniacal naivety.

You can't prove that the government has ended people-smuggling. If you look at the trends in illegal arrivals over the past six years, you will notice that while they increased, they did not increase consistently. People smuggling came and went through distinct patterns, with everyone arriving at once and then backing off before arriving again. The most likely explanation for this is that the people smugglers had to actually get the people they were smuggling together before they could actually be smuggled. So how do you know that the trends in people smuggling over the past few weeks were a result of successful policy, rather than trends that can be explained in terms of basic economics? And how do you know that people smugglers won't be emboldened by the way the Indonesians forced us to take the boat Abbott tried to turn around, and then followed it up by saying they won't accept boats that they are not legally obligated to take? All the people smugglers have to do is launch their boats, and then get intercepted knowing that Indonesia will not take them back.

All you do is look at the numbers, strip any context out of them and then mix it in with the foregone conclusion that the government is right.
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PostSubject: Re: Australian Politics thread    Fri Nov 15, 2013 5:28 pm

It's a total coincidence that there was a monumental surge in boats when Labor removed the Coalition's policies.

It's also a total coincidence that there's been a monumental reduction in boats once the Coalition's policies were re-instated.

One coinkydink after another.
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PostSubject: Re: Australian Politics thread    Mon Sep 14, 2015 11:06 pm

Australia has a new Prime Minister in Malcolm Turnbull, successfully challenging Tony Abbott for the Liberal leadership and winning by 8 votes.

Disappointing that the prime ministership of this country is now the plaything of opinion polls. There will clearly never be a Hawke or a Howard in the Twitter era and the nation will be the poorer for it. However, the priority is to ensure our shorter, uglier version of Jeremy Corbyn does not touch the treasury benches.
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PostSubject: Re: Australian Politics thread    Tue Sep 15, 2015 3:58 am

Four prime ministers in two years. At this rate Oz will break Italy's record for instability.

While I admire Australia's desire to be number one in what-the-fuck?, you guys are spoiling Jeremy Corbyn's coronation.
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PostSubject: Re: Australian Politics thread    Tue Sep 15, 2015 1:51 pm

Comparisons to Italy have been made, but even Silvio managed to bunga-bunga for longer than our last three prime ministers.

Basically there's been a downward trajectory ever since John Howard was turfed in 2007 after 11 years in office. I told people not to vote for that autistic knob-gobbler Kevin 'Monkeys' Rudd but alas prosperity made Australia complacent and it was all too easy to tear down a highly competent government for something new, shiny, and vapid (no offence to Helga).
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PostSubject: Re: Australian Politics thread    Tue Oct 27, 2015 11:36 pm

The three prime ministers who got the chop might not have been had they been competent. They weren't. Tough luck. Tough gig. Hopefully the message will be sent to the lifelong political hacks that they actually need to do something to warrant a place in parliament.

Turnbull's made more right calls in four weeks than Rudd-Gillard-Rudd-Abbott did collectively. First is putting the Hon Michaelia Cash in Industrial Relations. She's going to smash the unions once TURC reports and drink the blood of Shorten, the CMFEU and their enablers. I look forward to it.
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PostSubject: Re: Australian Politics thread    Wed Oct 28, 2015 10:22 am

I was witness to a dickhead driver in a ute plastered with CFMEU/anti-CHAFTA stickers yesterday. Confirms everything.

Anyway, I'll tolerate Turnbull so long as he doesn't Merkel us with immigration and leaves OSB in place.
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PostSubject: Re: Australian Politics thread    Wed Oct 28, 2015 5:55 pm

I'll never understand the belief amongst hard conservatives that Turnbull is some leftist in sheep's clothing. The bloke was the Australian director of Goldman Sachs, is married into one of the most prominent conservative families in the country, and was mentored and groomed by Howard, Bill Heffernan, and every senior Liberal figure of the Howard era.

It's a great political asset that the left see him as one of them when he's not. It's a shame some on his own side fall for the same trap.
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PostSubject: Re: Australian Politics thread    Wed Oct 28, 2015 6:22 pm

There's a tendency for some to conflate small-l liberalism with socialism. Turnbull's views on most social issues are pretty much lock-step with those of at least 40-50% of the Liberal Party's membership. Economically, he's hardly Lenin, to say the least.

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PostSubject: Re: Australian Politics thread    Sat Jul 02, 2016 11:47 pm

Came here to see CJB's thoughts on the Australian federal election, but he's away. Looking very close at the moment.
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PostSubject: Re: Australian Politics thread    Tue Jul 05, 2016 10:38 am

Voting was too close to call for the election on Saturday. So we've needed to wait until today (Tuesday) for counting to recommence. I'm glad the Greens got the Melbourne seat, that's for sure. And Pauline Hanson's "there are too many Asians in Australia" is embarrassing and probably indicative of where things are going in this country.
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PostSubject: Re: Australian Politics thread    Fri Jul 08, 2016 5:19 pm

A week later and still no PM elected. blink
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PostSubject: Re: Australian Politics thread    Sun Jul 24, 2016 12:25 am

Good thing I was a couple of continents away when this whole clusterfuck occurred. Admittedly haven't been analysing things as closely as I would've had I been in the country.
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PostSubject: Re: Australian Politics thread    Sun Jul 24, 2016 1:09 am

To be honest I'd forgotten about it. It's ok though, we'll have another election in the next couple of months. Someone will overthrow the PM and we'll be back to the polling booths.
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PostSubject: Re: Australian Politics thread    Sun Jul 24, 2016 1:09 am

To be honest I'd forgotten about it. It's ok though, we'll have another election in the next couple of months. Someone will overthrow the PM and we'll be back to the polling booths.
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PostSubject: Re: Australian Politics thread    Sun Jul 24, 2016 8:37 pm

Turnbull's political authority has taken a shellacking. Probably fatal. I somehow doubt he has the emotional intelligence to rebuild any sort of base of support amongst the general electorate.
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PostSubject: Re: Australian Politics thread    Wed Apr 25, 2018 2:16 pm

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CJB wrote:
Prisoner Monkeys wrote:
After all, we had six years of Labor government. But we've had six *weeks* of Liberal government, so of course illegal arrivals are down.
Correct, it took the Libs just six weeks to get on track to fixing Labor's wreckage. Delicious.
Just when I think your stupidity knows no bounds, you go ahead and prove me wrong with maniacal naivety.

You can't prove that the government has ended people-smuggling. If you look at the trends in illegal arrivals over the past six years, you will notice that while they increased, they did not increase consistently. People smuggling came and went through distinct patterns, with everyone arriving at once and then backing off before arriving again. The most likely explanation for this is that the people smugglers had to actually get the people they were smuggling together before they could actually be smuggled. So how do you know that the trends in people smuggling over the past few weeks were a result of successful policy, rather than trends that can be explained in terms of basic economics? And how do you know that people smugglers won't be emboldened by the way the Indonesians forced us to take the boat Abbott tried to turn around, and then followed it up by saying they won't accept boats that they are not legally obligated to take? All the people smugglers have to do is launch their boats, and then get intercepted knowing that Indonesia will not take them back.

All you do is look at the numbers, strip any context out of them and then mix it in with the foregone conclusion that the government is right.

I think we can safely say in hindsight we were right.

Abbott needs to fuck off before he gets rolled out of parliament though. Boy did that end badly.
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PostSubject: Re: Australian Politics thread    Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:45 pm

Good to see you, Vesp!

Yes, I'll bet Monkeys is eating humble pie. We know what he's not eating...

Abbott is 60 going on 19. He never mentally moved past student politics. Career politicians are largely twats.
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PostSubject: Re: Australian Politics thread    Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:19 pm

I've been a bit taken aback by the number of young(ish) people lately who aren't hugely political saying unsolicited that this is a government that has done some good things and that Shorten is hugely unpalatable.

We might scratch a third term still.
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