No Time to Die (2020)

Why does Craig have such a big say in the matter? Stick to acting, mate, it could do with some focus.

I think we'll find out what happened after Bond 25's release. Right now, I'm more interested in hearing that than seeing the film (with Craig still in the role)!

An "emergency meeting" will apparently be held tomorrow with the crew:

https://twitter.com/Bond25Film/status/1032742192924827648

I guess they get Martin Campbell in to do another job now?

Salomé wrote:

I guess they get Martin Campbell in to do another job now?

Unlikely. He said he'd only return when there is a new Bond actor.

With the reports of Craig not getting on with Boyle and Mendes, and Campbell's sentiments (also committing to two non-Bond films with Brosnan), it's pretty telling what kind of person Craig is.

Perilagu Khan wrote:

Sounds a rather minor reason to abandon ship, unless Boyle was never remotely enthusiastic about the project from the get-go and was looking for any excuse to exit stage right.

I wrote on Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:47 am:

Craig hasn't seemed enthusiastic about Boyle and Boyle was never officially signed and was always non-committal about doing the job. Every statement to the press was "if the script gets into shape"..."if we find the right story line"...why was any of this even being discussed if the principal players hadn't agreed upon a script yet? *IF* my Aunt had balls she'd be me Uncle, but she doesn't, so what's the point in discussing what might've been or what could be? I want to know the facts of where things stand now, and nobody really seems to be sure. This project should be months from filming and they have no agreed upon script and no director and a lead actor who was dodgy on returning in the first place.

This all seemed rather obvious to me, which is why I was posted about this very thing 4 months ago. I never believed for one second that Boyle was interested in this project, or that he and Craig would or could get along. Boyle seemed to have taken on the project like some people take on a dare without thinking it through, then too far in realize they've made a mistake.

Everyone and everything involved in this film reeks of confusion and desperation. They seem to be doing a movie because they are overdue for one and it is expected that they should be cranking another one out by now, but no one has yet been able to articulate why a 5th Craig film is being made.

Not only am I perfectly fine with the work stoppage, but I hope it leads to the whole thing being cancelled and Barbara Broccoli selling the rights to the series to someone else. I'm deliriously happy watching she and Craig blithely flailing around in their ignorance with the project spectacularly blowing up in their faces. After the way she's ruined the series I think it's time for a bit of payback.

Craig and Broccoli made their bed with SPECTRE and it's time they live with the consequences. Quit trying to do a make-up or do-over film. What's done is done. SPECTRE should be the end of Craig's era. There's nowhere for his character to go at this point. They've boxed him in. Let's move on.

Looking at Craig's CV since the billion dollar Bond film, he's done:

SPECTRE
Logan Lucky
Kings
Comrade Detective (2 episodes)
Superheroes Unite for BBC Children in Need (Narrator)

No wonder he's staying put. He doesn't exactly have a career outside Bond.

GS wrote:

Not only am I perfectly fine with the work stoppage, but I hope it leads to the whole thing being cancelled

This. I'm not sure Babs needs to, or will, sell the rights. She just needs to stop thinking with Daniel's little finger.

FieldsMan wrote:

Gary Barber fired from MGM.

http://variety.com/2018/film/news/gary-barber-leaving-mgm-chairman-1202731059/ 

Surely some of this corporate drama, lack of distributor, two floating scripts and/or lack of interest in the role would drive Craig out at some point. If not, his career really must be in tatters if he has to hold on to the only lucrative role he'd rather slash his wrists over. 

Surely some disagreement will arise if Craig wants Boyle's script, but Eon want Purvis and Wade's, which could happen, considering Bab's stronghold on the series (giving directors little room to breathe, though that's changed since 2006)... Though if a flame still lights Bab's shamelessly transparent lust for Craig, then maybe she'll sacrifice what she wants in order for him to stay. 

Don't mind me, just thinking aloud.

Going back to page 33, 34 of this thread is quite illuminating. I'd forgotten some of the problems that we'd identified early on, yet many on the board were spot on. Perhaps none so more than FieldsMan. Bab's "transparent lust for Craig" is one of the idiotic reasons why he's been given as much creative input as he has, ruining 2 films out of 4, and doing his best to ruin BOND25.

Thing is, I'm not averse to a BOND 25, but I don't want it to be Craig's 5th film. If we're going to move forward with more Bond projects in the future, then the whole thing needs to be blown up and started from scratch with new everybody. Top to bottom cleaning house. I do believe without a doubt she's ready to leave the series after Craig's last film. She just assumed BOND 25 would be it. She's trying to give him a proper sendoff, but that train already left the station with SPECTRE and there is no going back. You can't unfire a gun. You can't make us un-see SPECTRE. Quit trying to force a 5th film to atone for the mistakes of the previous film. Furthermore, it's far, far, far too late into the series to do any sort of creative course correction; Craig is what he is. Does anbody want or need anotehr Craig film of him moping around and bitching about his life, his job, or pining away for Vesper?

The woman of the Craig era have all been sad, tragic, fated-to-die characters. They're as miserable as he is. Where's there an Octopussy? A Natalya? Kara? Pam Bouvier? Where are the Bond Girls out there living and loving every minute of life? So far we've had a suicidal Vesper, a murdered Solange/Strawberry/Severine, two sad, washed-up drunks in SPECTRE and Camille (a woman who could care less about Bond because she's dealing with her own "issues"). Not a sizzling resume of Craig's leading ladies.

The whole thing is over. Just sell it and let Bond reinvent himself for a new generation. Maybe do a Netflix series or Amazon Prime. Otherwise Barbara is trying to force something that the universe keeps telling her won't work.

Admittedly, he was entertaining as "Joe Bang" in "Logan Lucky" and he seemed to be having more fun than I have seen him having in any of his Bond films.

Thanks Grav.

You're right - the series needs a revamp. MGW needs to find his balls again; Craig needs to go.

You'll find a vocal group of Facebook posters jerking off over Craig and can't wait for his fifth film (and some even want a sixth!). It's a shame that the worst era of James Bond is also the longest, and it's this characterisation that leads many to believe Bond is an ill-tempered, hulking thug. It's this characterisation that is now demanded by some.

Some people are clamoring for Christopher McQuarrie but it's not very likely to happen.

I hadn't even considered yet that Daniel Craig's tenure will now exceed that of even Roger Moore. It's almost weird to consider and certainly not something I had thought possible (or at the very least likely) when he first signed on for the role.

Salomé wrote:

Some people are clamoring for Christopher McQuarrie but it's not very likely to happen.

I wouldn't be adverse to McQuarrie directing a Bond film... Fallout looked spectacular at times.

Salomé wrote:

I hadn't even considered yet that Daniel Craig's tenure will now exceed that of even Roger Moore. It's almost weird to consider and certainly not something I had thought possible (or at the very least likely) when he first signed on for the role.

Quite. There was always so much made of contemporary actors not committing to a role for as long as Connery and Moore did, and what Brosnan wanted to do, and yet here we are.

Seems unlikely that Boyle's screenwriting collaborator John Hodge will stick around with him gone ... there's talk of a previously unused Purvis and Wade script now being pressed into service for Bond 25.

Maybe Boyle and Hodge's departure will be the end of the #Time'sUp and #MeToo elements Boyle had mentioned ... don't get me wrong, I don't expect (or even really want) a return to the days of ass-slappin' Bond. But 'woke Bond' ... ugh, no thanks.

Blunt Instrument wrote:

Seems unlikely that Boyle's screenwriting collaborator John Hodge will stick around with him gone ... there's talk of a previously unused Purvis and Wade script now being pressed into service for Bond 25.

Maybe Boyle and Hodge's departure will be the end of the #Time'sUp and #MeToo elements Boyle had mentioned ... don't get me wrong, I don't expect (or even really want) a return to the days of ass-slappin' Bond. But 'woke Bond' ... ugh, no thanks.    

A Boyle that needed lancing, then. This "bad" news may be the best Bond news we've had in quite some time.

I never quite envisaged a Boyle Bond film, the films I think of for Boyle don't in my mind match up with what I'd expect of a Bond film. Terence Young and John Glen at least had a similar staple. Starting to come round to the idea that it's time to quietly put Bond to rest. For a little time at least.

Where's Mr Slumber when you need him?

Hilly KCMG wrote:

I never quite envisaged a Boyle Bond film, the films I think of for Boyle don't in my mind match up with what I'd expect of a Bond film. Terence Young and John Glen at least had a similar staple. Starting to come round to the idea that it's time to quietly put Bond to rest. For a little time at least.

Where's Mr Slumber when you need him?

Aye, Hilly. Better no Bond films than Bond films that aren't Bond films. Let 007 repose in dignity.

Carver's spin on the news that rocked the Bond world.

Celebretainment wrote:

Now, Pryce - who played the villain Elliot Carver in 1997 Bond film 'Tomorrow Never Dies' opposite Pierce Brosnan as the big screen spy - has given his opinion on why Boyle was not the right man for the job, cheekily claiming his left wing political leanings may not have been right for such a big blockbuster franchise.

Speaking to the Daily Mail newspaper, he said: "They obviously couldn't take a socialist Bond! You see, there are the Dannys of this world and then there are people who do the blockbusters."

Back in 2012, Boyle, 61, was entrusted to direct the opening ceremony of the London Olympics and used the platform to celebrate modern Britain and institutions like the National Health Service (NHS), and was criticised for overtly promoting left wing ideology. He did also include a scene between current James Bond Daniel Craig and Queen Elizabeth II, with the MI6 agent escorting her to the event.

Jean-Marc Vallée has turned down an offer to direct Bond 25. What are they smoking? Big Little Lies and Dallas Buyers Club are hardly prerequisites for James Bond.

FieldsMan wrote:

Back in 2012, Boyle, 61, was entrusted to direct the opening ceremony of the London Olympics and used the platform to celebrate modern Britain and institutions like the National Health Service (NHS), and was criticised for overtly promoting left wing ideology.

Oh, that was him? Fuck him then. Imagine being tasked with showcasing the most culturally significant nation since Rome and reducing it to fucking government-run hospitals.

Regarding the Tomasz Kot rumour, I'm surprised, given that Kot resembles a younger, better-looking Boyle.

FieldsMan wrote:

Jean-Marc Vallée has turned down an offer to direct Bond 25. What are they smoking? Big Little Lies and Dallas Buyers Club are hardly prerequisites for James Bond.

It would fit in with the idea that Babs is looking for some sort of feminist slant in this Bond movie.

Sell, Babs, sell. Your time with Bond is through.

Salomé wrote:

FieldsMan wrote:

Jean-Marc Vallée has turned down an offer to direct Bond 25. What are they smoking? Big Little Lies and Dallas Buyers Club are hardly prerequisites for James Bond.

It would fit in with the idea that Babs is looking for some sort of feminist slant in this Bond movie.

When will this end?

CJB wrote:

Oh, that was him? Fuck him then. Imagine being tasked with showcasing the most culturally significant nation since Rome and reducing it to fucking government-run hospitals.

You'd think Eon would have learned from the Bond segment of that opening that Boyle was unsuitable.

You know, maybe this is all part of Babs' grand plan to stall Craig until he decides it's time to go without her having to fire him, which means she still has a chance of getting in his pants.

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Hilly KCMG wrote:

Walt Disney's Ian Fleming's James Bond 007 in a Pixar Co-Production...

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