SKYFALL's PTS

Remember the yacht EON hired - the "Regina?" It's been used for filming in Fethiye while moored at a pier.

If this is in the PTS, then I'm guessing it's going to come right at the end. Bond's death is supposedly staged, so I could see him lying low on the deck of the Regina with that Greek model.

I'm also guessing that the yacht will be featured again when the main film picks up and Bond is recalled.

Eve being chased in her Land Rover Defender.

Wait, where are we getting the idea that MAJOR SPOILER ALERT

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Wouldn't that be too similar to YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE?

Sharky wrote:

Eve being chased in her Land Rover Defender.

You didn't need to tell us that it was Eve being chased in her Land Rover; we could tell from the erratic behavior and wild swerves of the car that it was a female driver.

BTW, I like the photos of the yacht and the location stunt work in the bazaar. It reminds me of The Living Daylights a bit, which is a great thing.

Loomis wrote:

Wait, where are we getting the idea that MAJOR SPOILER ALERT

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Loomis wrote:

Wouldn't that be too similar to YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE?

Perhaps, but I'm guessing they put a new spin on it. It could be that Bond starts the film playing a corpse in the yacht, only to catch the villains by surprise. Sort of like Rog in OCTOPUSSY, minus the "MOOOUUURRRRHHAHAHA!!"

Loomis wrote:

Wait, where are we getting the idea that MAJOR SPOILER ALERT

Spoiler:

Wouldn't that be too similar to YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE?

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Edit: looks like sharky beat me to it.

From the scene number of the latest clapperboard pic, looks like the yacht takes place after Shanghai and Macau.

dr. strangelove wrote:

Loomis wrote:

Wait, where are we getting the idea that MAJOR SPOILER ALERT

Spoiler:

Wouldn't that be too similar to YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE?

Spoiler:

Edit: looks like sharky beat me to it.

Spoiler:

tiffanywint wrote:

dr. strangelove wrote:

Loomis wrote:

Wait, where are we getting the idea that MAJOR SPOILER ALERT

Spoiler:

Wouldn't that be too similar to YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE?

Spoiler:

Edit: looks like sharky beat me to it.

Spoiler:

And TMWTGG (Bond as a dummy).

Since when has the Bond franchise been afraid to repeat itself?

Granted, but repetition usually applies only to things that have become established gimmicks of the series (wealthy villain in an elaborate lair, for instance). It's taken 45 years for the "Bond fakes his own death" wheeze to be re-used, so it's hardly a tried-and-tested cornerstone of the Bond formula, and I'd be surprised to see it crop up again - especially in a PTS. Then again, it may be one of SKYFALL's deliberate nods to the past fifty years of the series.

The interesting question, of course, is why Bond would fake his own death (assuming it's part of "a plan" as opposed to a spur-of-the-moment thing to shake off pursuers). Gone are the days when it was something 007 might do as a matter of course to fool the KGB (as was presumably the motive in YOLT).

Loomis wrote:

The interesting question, of course, is why Bond would fake his own death (assuming it's part of "a plan" as opposed to a spur-of-the-moment thing to shake off pursuers). Gone are the days when it was something 007 might do as a matter of course to fool the KGB (as was presumably the motive in YOLT).

I'm guessing that "Skyfall" might be an operation where Bond releases Patrice from MI6 custody in the hopes that Patrice will lead him back to Raoul Silva - but in order to convince Patrice that he is in the clear and therefore free to approach Silva, Bond stages his own death.

Loomis wrote:

It's taken 45 years for the "Bond fakes his own death" wheeze to be re-used, so it's hardly a tried-and-tested cornerstone of the Bond formula, and I'd be surprised to see it crop up again - especially in a PTS.

That element of YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE isn't exactly iconic, so I wouldn't be surprised to see such a story element appear again. Only die-hard Bond fans will likely register the connection.

Besides, the Craig films have already tipped their hat to past Bond moments. Hell, they were even so bold as to re-do the GOLDFINGER Jill Masterton death in QUANTUM OF SOLACE (to say nothing of the THE SPY WHO LOVED ME Sandor-style kill earlier in the film).

I'd like them to reuse that.

My favorite "tipping their hat" moment is actually when Bond encounters a man who looks and sounds like Goldfinger in CR.

Makeshift Python wrote:

My favorite "tipping their hat" moment is actually when Bond encounters a man who looks and sounds like Goldfinger in CR.

Why is it a 'tip of the hat' for CR to use someone who looks and sounds like Goldfinger, but when AVTAK does something similar it is accused by critics and Bond fandom of ripping off the very same movie? CR isn't half the movie AVTAK is.

I don't think SKYFALL is going to flagrantly reference the previous films. Based on comments from Craig and Mendes in particular, they feel that the best way to celebrate 50 years is with an excellent film rather than with nods to the previous twenty-two entries. Because then you get silly scenes like Q's archives in DIE ANOTHER DAY. So if SKYFALL is going to give a shout out to the previous films, I'm guessing that it will be with smaller asides that the fans will pick up and appreciate without jumping up and down and waving its arms around shouting "Look at me! I'm being meta!". Stuff like the R. Steling business card rather than the gold-painted girl homage.

Gravity's Silhouette wrote:

Makeshift Python wrote:

My favorite "tipping their hat" moment is actually when Bond encounters a man who looks and sounds like Goldfinger in CR.

Why is it a 'tip of the hat' for CR to use someone who looks and sounds like Goldfinger, but when AVTAK does something similar it is accused by critics and Bond fandom of ripping off the very same movie? CR isn't half the movie AVTAK is.

Ripping off GOLDFINGER--no great crime, in my book--is the least of A VIEW TO A KILL's problems.

Gravity's Silhouette wrote:

Makeshift Python wrote:

My favorite "tipping their hat" moment is actually when Bond encounters a man who looks and sounds like Goldfinger in CR.

Why is it a 'tip of the hat' for CR to use someone who looks and sounds like Goldfinger, but when AVTAK does something similar it is accused by critics and Bond fandom of ripping off the very same movie?

The difference is that CR's is very brief. While I see the similarities between GF and AVTAK, I don't find it that overwhelming and there have been Bond films before that have ripped off past films much more blatantly.

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CR isn't half the movie AVTAK is.

I agree, AVTAK is a trainwreck.

Makeshift Python wrote:

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CR isn't half the movie AVTAK is.

I agree, AVTAK is a trainwreck.

A VIEW TO A KILL has John Barry. Therefore, it wins.

Sharky wrote:

A VIEW TO A KILL has John Barry. Therefore, it wins.

That's a bit like saying "a train crashed, but it didn't kill anybody". Sure, nobody died, but it was still a train crash.

Prisoner Monkeys wrote:

Sharky wrote:

A VIEW TO A KILL has John Barry. Therefore, it wins.

That's a bit like saying "a train crashed, but it didn't kill anybody". Sure, nobody died, but it was still a train crash.

My point is that Barry (and Walken to a lesser extent) at least makes AVTAK enjoyable for me to watch. It's harmless fluff. CASINO ROYALE is just painful, obnoxious, and feels like a chore. Overlong, sadistic video-game generation violence, serious miscasting, cringe-worthy drama, overlong action sequences, too much pointless music, too much homoeroticism, not enough tits. I've never been able to watch it one sitting.

Many more things in AVTAK make it enjoyable aside from the aforementioned brilliance of Barry and Walken. Mayday is one of the best Bond villains to grace the franchise, Moore turns in a mature, harder edged Bond performance, Stacy is one gorgeous Bond babe, Tibbet is great and some of the stunts are incredible.

Sharky wrote:

Makeshift Python wrote:

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CR isn't half the movie AVTAK is.

I agree, AVTAK is a trainwreck.

A VIEW TO A KILL has John Barry. Therefore, it wins.

A VIEW TO A KILL Is so bad that it even makes John Barry start to seem un-cool.