New Order

00 Agent Posts : 10588 Member Since : 2011-03-14

Revisited THE MOVEMENT this evening. Interesting translational album between CLOSER and POWER, CORRUPTION & LIES.

Love those terrifying filtered noise blasts in In A Lonely Place. Who's synth was that? Bernard Sumner or Stephen Morris?

How did Martin Hannett get that stark industrial sound? I know Peter Hook tried to diminish his influence on Joy Division and New Order, but I wager he was the mastermind behind the classic sound.

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00 Agent Posts : 10588 Member Since : 2011-03-14

Erica Ambler wrote:: The album's called Movement (no definite article despite New Order's Di Canio tendencies).

Largo's Shark wrote:: Who's synth was that?

Erica Ambler wrote:: It's 'whose' not 'who's'. 'Who's' is short for 'who is.' Understanding the difference between a contraction and possessive noun is pretty basic stuff though hardly anyone under 30 seems to get it. Fortunately, The Chicago Manual of Style will teach you all the stuff that a British state education ranks as less important than Mary Seacole.

Cut the imperious tone, for fuck's sake. We all make spelling and grammatical errors at 1:50 AM on a Sunday morning. We can't all be Erica Ambler 3000s.

And yes, I'm fully aware of your abhorrence of the editorial we. That's why I'm using it.

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00 Agent Posts : 10588 Member Since : 2011-03-14

I'm always grateful for your insight. You just don't have to slip in the pedantry as well. For example, I don't go about smiting you for the countless slip-ups you've made when posting from your iPhone.

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Subject: Re: New Order Sun Apr 14, 2013 5:33 pm

Erica Ambler wrote:: It's not pedantry; the English language matters to me.

Clemency is not your middle name, remember, it's weekend, he's drunk, he's typing on his phone...

If Santa or Oppers make typos you would not bark at them because they have fallopian tubes

Can someone direct me to a good remix of Morning Sun? I think that's New Order but I'm not sure...

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Subject: Re: New Order Sun Apr 14, 2013 6:01 pm

Ah that's it....,thanks, I didn't know the remix was named True Faith.

Grabbing a listen now...will look for a 320k MP3 next

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Subject: Re: New Order Sun Apr 14, 2013 6:36 pm

Erica Ambler wrote:: No, it's the original that's called True Faith, though I'm with you - Morning Sun would have been a much better title.

PM for a good link...Oakenfold usually has some good remixes (case in point - Duran Duran's Out of my mind)

Potential 00 Agent Posts : 3303 Member Since : 2011-03-17

Erica Ambler wrote:

Mrs Aural Sects wrote:

Erica Ambler wrote:: It's not pedantry; the English language matters to me.

If Santa or Oppers make typos you would not bark at them because they have fallopian tubes

Actually, Oppers probably remembers me giving her a similar lecture on MI6. She certainly hasn't opened her legs for me since.

You're right though, it all comes down to the three Ws - women, whisky and Wave.

I seem to have developed a lisp.

As I recall, it revolved around my confusion of the possessive pronoun "its" with "it's".
In your defense, I have rarely made the mistake again since that talking to.

Head of Station Posts : 1413 Member Since : 2011-04-11

I've been a massive fan of The New Order (see what I did there?) for more than twenty years but for some strange reason have never bought Movement or even been arsed to listen to it all the way through. Bizarrely, I'm just not interested in it, although I love their early singles ("Ceremony" is one of their all-time best, as is "Temptation", although I prefer the re-recorded versions of those songs that surfaced on 1987's Substance) and also love Joy Division. I've owned all of New Order's other albums, though, and even stumped up for most of the compilations.

Their best album? Substance, hands down, although if we're restricting it to proper studio albums, then it's probably Technique, although a good case could be made for Power, Corruption & Lies. Low-Life might also be up there had it included the full-length versions of "Perfect Kiss" and "Elegia". Get Ready is also something of a gem, as is this year's Lost Sirens.

Head of Station Posts : 1413 Member Since : 2011-04-11

Largo's Shark wrote:: How did Martin Hannett get that stark industrial sound? I know Peter Hook tried to diminish his influence on Joy Division and New Order, but I wager he was the mastermind behind the classic sound.

If you like Hannett you should check out Happy Mondays' 1988 album Bummed, which he produced, although it has nothing of the Joy Division/New Order sound. As with Unknown Pleasures, the production virtually makes the album.

Much more Joy Divisionish are some tracks that Hannett produced for The Stone Roses in the mid 1980s, including their debut single "So Young". Excluding said single and its B-side, "Tell Me", these tracks remained unreleased until 1996, when they were issued as a compilation entitled Garage Flower. They showcase a much harder, angrier and punkier sound for The Stone Roses than the softer and slightly psychedelic 1960s-flavoured guitar pop with which they broke through to the mainstream in 1989. The likes of "Fall" and "Trust a Fox" are a pretty far cry from the later "Waterfall" and "Fools Gold" (although I like both Roses eras, and indeed all Roses eras).

Q Branch Posts : 724 Member Since : 2011-08-21

Largo's Shark wrote:: I'm always grateful for your insight. You just don't have to slip in the pedantry as well. For example, I don't go about smiting you for the countless slip-ups you've made when posting from your iPhone.

Erica Ambler wrote:: It's not pedantry; the English language matters to me.

As for the IPhone, please post the countless slip-ups for my edification. If I'm doing it to you then I might be doing it to someone important and that would be a bore.

Isn't it about time you two had some hot and dirty make-up sex?

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Head of Station Posts : 1413 Member Since : 2011-04-11

Erica Ambler wrote:: No, it's the original that's called True Faith, though I'm with you - Morning Sun would have been a much better title.

I disagree. It would have been a much more obvious title, but then again one of the amusing things about New Order/Joy Division is their fondness for song titles that on the face of it appear to have bugger-all relevance to the actual songs. Besides, they already did a song called "Sunrise".

Interesting that you interviewed Hannett. I presume you'd get rather more people interested in it today. I wouldn't mind reading it if you still have it to hand - would you be able to post it in this thread?

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Head of Station Posts : 1413 Member Since : 2011-04-11

http://www.nme.com/blogs/nme-blogs/do-we-really-want-new-music-from-new-order

Head of Station Posts : 1413 Member Since : 2011-04-11

Currently reading Peter Hook's Unknown Pleasures: Inside Joy Division. Interesting and informative (not only about Joy Division but also about what life in a band can be like and what life in a band in the 1970s was like), deeply personal and moving (for obvious reasons), and frequently sidesplittingly funny, this book is an absolute must and hopefully Hooky will also do one about New Order. I'd also recommend his first book, The Hacienda: How Not to Run a Club.

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Subject: Re: New Order Fri Sep 25, 2015 1:51 am

Erica Ambler wrote:: Music Complete is just out and, two listens in, seems to be a remarkable return to form. This and Dr Dre's Compton are the only releases this year that I can see myself returning to. Pisses all over Lana Del Rey's and Duran's pointless retreads.

The Duran pointles re-tread is filling 10,000+ attendance venues in the USA and just got them a Top 10 album. Heathen.