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Mr. Kiss Kiss Bang Bang 00 Agent
Posts : 8496 Member Since : 2010-05-12 Location : Strawberry Fields
| Subject: TOMORROW NEVER DIES: Your 3 Favourite Scenes Fri Jul 31, 2015 3:23 pm | |
| 1. Paris and Bond And including the part where Bond is waiting and downing vodka. TND was my first Bond film back in the day and I always remembered this scene. It's about as dramatic as I want Bond scenes, it's moody, well scored and shot and in my opinion, well acted and scripted. I love Teri Hatcher as Paris Carver and she's a big part of the reason why I love this scene so much. And that shot of Bond unzipping her dress and it falling down is one of TND's iconic shots, and in my opinion, of the iconic shots of the series. I'd even go as far as saying it's probably one of my top 5 scenes of the franchise.
2. Bike chase It's exciting, original, well scored and good to see some local colour (why I prefer it over the car chase). Classic Bondian chase sequence and one of the top action sequences of the franchise.
3. Bond kills Kaufman Bizarre, darkly comedic and tense - definitely something I could have read in some of Fleming's novels. Definitely one of Brosnan's best moments as Bond. |
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Strangways&Quarrel 'R'
Posts : 353 Member Since : 2013-03-26 Location : Florida
| Subject: Re: TOMORROW NEVER DIES: Your 3 Favourite Scenes Fri Jul 31, 2015 11:56 pm | |
| 1. The Whole Dr. Kaufman Part Again, like the case with Red Grant pretending to be Captain Nash I can't choose just one scene so I kind of have to include the whole bit. It has a menace to it but also a sense of humor. The part where Kaufman is killed maybe one of Brosnan's most Fleming moments in his tenure.
2. Bond Gives Carver Some Breaking News A brutal way to go for sure but on my last viewing there was just something comical about it in an old horror movie way. Bond's little monologue before Carver's demise is also very good.
3. Carver mocks Wai-Lin's Martial Arts after She's Captured This was kind of an unexpected thing for a Bond villain to do and might've felt out of place in others but Jonathan Pryce makes this work and funny to boot. This could have been the whole film, just him mocking people and it would made it a Bond classic. |
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bitchcraft Potential 00 Agent
Posts : 3372 Member Since : 2011-03-28 Location : I know........I know
| Subject: Re: TOMORROW NEVER DIES: Your 3 Favourite Scenes Sat Aug 01, 2015 4:25 am | |
| Can't think of one good scene after the pre-title actually.
This was the movie that made me begin to balk at Brozzayawn.
Absolutely hated the ending.
Saw Goldeneye 5 times. Well went to see it 5 times on 5 dates with 5 guys actually and was snogging kisses with 3 of them. But saw TND only once. |
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Mr. Kiss Kiss Bang Bang 00 Agent
Posts : 8496 Member Since : 2010-05-12 Location : Strawberry Fields
| Subject: Re: TOMORROW NEVER DIES: Your 3 Favourite Scenes Sat Aug 01, 2015 9:34 am | |
| - Strangways&Quarrel wrote:
- 1. The Whole Dr. Kaufman Part
Again, like the case with Red Grant pretending to be Captain Nash I can't choose just one scene so I kind of have to include the whole bit. It has a menace to it but also a sense of humor. The part where Kaufman is killed maybe one of Brosnan's most Fleming moments in his tenure.
2. Bond Gives Carver Some Breaking News A brutal way to go for sure but on my last viewing there was just something comical about it in an old horror movie way. Bond's little monologue before Carver's demise is also very good.
3. Carver mocks Wai-Lin's Martial Arts after She's Captured This was kind of an unexpected thing for a Bond villain to do and might've felt out of place in others but Jonathan Pryce makes this work and funny to boot. This could have been the whole film, just him mocking people and it would made it a Bond classic. The last two were certainly not what I was expecting! I've always thought Carver's death was brutal and it was a nice take on the whole villain's gadget working against them like Oddjob and Grant's deaths. |
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Prisoner Monkeys Potential 00 Agent
Posts : 2849 Member Since : 2011-10-29 Location : Located
| Subject: Re: TOMORROW NEVER DIES: Your 3 Favourite Scenes Sat Aug 01, 2015 11:06 am | |
| 1. The end credits
2. The banner drop, because practical effects
3. The end credits |
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CJB 00 Agent
Posts : 5511 Member Since : 2011-03-14 Location : 'Straya
| Subject: Re: TOMORROW NEVER DIES: Your 3 Favourite Scenes Sun Aug 02, 2015 7:38 am | |
| 1. Moneypenny implying Bond eats a mean pussy. 2. Jonathan Pryce being racist. 3. "MY SIDE BITCH JUST DIED LOL" |
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bitchcraft Potential 00 Agent
Posts : 3372 Member Since : 2011-03-28 Location : I know........I know
| Subject: Re: TOMORROW NEVER DIES: Your 3 Favourite Scenes Sun Aug 02, 2015 4:30 pm | |
| Possibly the biggest imbecile in Bond villain history. I could accept a media mogul as an adversary, but when this idiot mocked some martial arts moves he descended into the pits. What a waste. |
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Stamper 'R'
Posts : 240 Member Since : 2011-11-30 Location : Banned from CB.n
| Subject: Re: TOMORROW NEVER DIES: Your 3 Favourite Scenes Mon Aug 10, 2015 7:44 pm | |
| 1/ Bond Kills Kauffman "so am I", this is the best and most Bondish scene of the film. 2/ The whole escape from the newspaper print, esp. Wai Lin waving as she descend the wall, and the moment Bond walks with the Bond theme that is suddenly broken up by a bullet hitting around him, awesome. 3/ The moment where Bond realise the chinese have all the british guns and gadgets in advance, and he picks up a gun and look at her, realising she is his equel if not more. It works beautifully.
All in all, apart from some cringe moments, I much prefer this to Goldeneye. It's sort of a bad ass Bond that leaves no time to breathe and the exchanges like "The Empire Strikes Back" are hilariousy post modern and works quite well. |
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Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: TOMORROW NEVER DIES: Your 3 Favourite Scenes Mon Aug 10, 2015 9:50 pm | |
| - Stamper wrote:
- a bad ass Bond
I seem to recall George Michael saying something to that effect. |
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lachesis Head of Station
Posts : 1588 Member Since : 2011-09-19 Location : Nottingahm, UK
| Subject: Re: TOMORROW NEVER DIES: Your 3 Favourite Scenes Tue Aug 11, 2015 1:12 pm | |
| I confess that while I much prefer GE, TND has certainly risen on my list since its rather disappointing debut and now sits above pretty much any film since save Skyfall. It is when the film leaves Hamburg that it goes off the rails somewhat imo.
I think looking at the Paris-Bond relationship too seriously is going to reveal flaws.....the time for laughter tended to be when hatcher was delivering her dialogue rather than in the wake of her performance where she is actually supposed to be cold and dead. |
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Hilly Administrator
Posts : 8059 Member Since : 2010-05-13
| Subject: Re: TOMORROW NEVER DIES: Your 3 Favourite Scenes Tue May 05, 2020 7:10 pm | |
| Five years and I've never touched this thread. Well, here we go.
1. Sinking of the Devonshire
nicely done model-wise, effects wise and there's an edge of true drama here as the crew start to evacuate.
2. Backseat driver.
Again, nicely done in all departments and quite cool back in the day.
3. Bond saves Wai Linn
it's largely done to the track "All in a Day's Work" but it's prior also when Bond defeats Stamper, the navy still piling in hell for leather and then the fact it's all over now. "M, Carver went down with the ship". Down? More like shredded but semantics.
Honourable mentions to Bond with Paris' body in the hotel, Paris and Bond prior, Bike Chase. |
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Mr. Kiss Kiss Bang Bang 00 Agent
Posts : 8496 Member Since : 2010-05-12 Location : Strawberry Fields
| Subject: Re: TOMORROW NEVER DIES: Your 3 Favourite Scenes Wed May 06, 2020 2:09 pm | |
| Nice choices, Hilly. Can't disagree with those really. All In A Day's Work really seals the deal in those final moments on the stealth ship. Wai Lin's theme is very special. |
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hegottheboot Head of Station
Posts : 1758 Member Since : 2012-01-08 Location : TN, USA
| Subject: Re: TOMORROW NEVER DIES: Your 3 Favourite Scenes Mon May 11, 2020 4:22 am | |
| 1. "Who's driving?"-cue theme. The iconic moment of the film for me and the single best Arnold cue in his scores. Perfectly brings up the ridiculous aspect in the moment of trying to escape certain danger. The rest of the bike chase is good for using the location but goes on a bit and has the chopper do he silly but menacing blade attack. 2. Bond searches Guptas office. Bond actually does detective work and the Arnold cue is majestic in how it matches the tone of that break in scene. It almost has echoes of Gumbold's office. 3. Dr. Kaufman Also: -ALL of Carver's monologues and venom dripping lines. Just priceless. No pun intended. -Backseat Driver -Intensive transition moments: Bond arrives at CMGN gala, Carver broods at night over Paris's betrayal, Bond lies in wait for Carver's agent, Bond searches for Wain Lin at the bike shop. |
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Mr. Kiss Kiss Bang Bang 00 Agent
Posts : 8496 Member Since : 2010-05-12 Location : Strawberry Fields
| Subject: Re: TOMORROW NEVER DIES: Your 3 Favourite Scenes Mon May 11, 2020 4:57 am | |
| Excellent picks, HGTB! Glad to see more love for Carver's monologues. Priceless they are indeed.
One of the best things about Bond's break in at Carver's office is that Bond gets the job done. In and out secretly without getting caught... until Wai Lin sounds the alarm accidentally. If she hadn't, Bond would have been out, no worries. Like Gumbold's office. It's all too rare that Bond infiltrates a place and leaves undetected in the series.
Good call on those transition moments. Some of the series best. I'd also add Bond and Wai Lin arriving at Carver's Saigon building. The hallway vignette where Chang appears, the set design and Arnold's excellent, truly excellent cue (high tech, oriental, the taste of the Bond theme), what Bond and Wai Lin are wearing... So good. |
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Moore Q Branch
Posts : 648 Member Since : 2011-03-14
| Subject: Re: TOMORROW NEVER DIES: Your 3 Favourite Scenes Sat Jul 11, 2020 4:12 am | |
| 1 Bond drinking waiting for Paris 2 Kaufman/So Am I dialogue 3 Pre Titles. A little cheesy but man it really hits all the right notes to get you pumped up and just screams THIS IS AN F’ING BOND MOVE. Maybe have gone on a tad long with the plane sequence. May be been better to cut right after explosion, but still a good opener. |
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Mr. Kiss Kiss Bang Bang 00 Agent
Posts : 8496 Member Since : 2010-05-12 Location : Strawberry Fields
| Subject: Re: TOMORROW NEVER DIES: Your 3 Favourite Scenes Sat Jul 11, 2020 5:30 am | |
| Great choices.
Regarding the plane sequence, I love the fact there are threats coming from both inside and outside Bond's aircraft. Makes for a tense epilogue to the PTS, capped off with a quip that foreshadows Bond as the backseat driver later on.
Plus I really dig the photography in the scene. |
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Hilly Administrator
Posts : 8059 Member Since : 2010-05-13
| Subject: Re: TOMORROW NEVER DIES: Your 3 Favourite Scenes Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:50 pm | |
| - Hilly wrote:
- Five years and I've never touched this thread. Well, here we go.
1. Sinking of the Devonshire
nicely done model-wise, effects wise and there's an edge of true drama here as the crew start to evacuate.
2. Backseat driver.
Again, nicely done in all departments and quite cool back in the day.
3. Bond saves Wai Linn
it's largely done to the track "All in a Day's Work" but it's prior also when Bond defeats Stamper, the navy still piling in hell for leather and then the fact it's all over now. "M, Carver went down with the ship". Down? More like shredded but semantics.
Honourable mentions to Bond with Paris' body in the hotel, Paris and Bond prior, Bike Chase. a change methinks 1. White Knight the music, the dialogue ("What's Bond doing!?/His job!") and action. 2. Devonshire even now the loss of a warship feels a jolt. I remember watching this the first time and it was unthinkable. To my parents, maybe they thought back to 1982 when Sheffield, Coventry etc were lost. Seeing Devonshire's bow jutting up remains a vivid image but what underlines it all is when the order to abandon ship is giving. The lighting as crew unhook their equipment, the shadowy slow mo and the choir. All of which is made worse by the machine gunning of the sailors. 3. Backseat Driver Arnold's score, the SFX/VFX, Brozzer's reaction to things like the tyre reinflating... but individual moments play a part with TND least of all Pryce's performance as Carver. |
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Perilagu Khan 00 Agent
Posts : 5677 Member Since : 2011-03-21 Location : The high plains
| Subject: Re: TOMORROW NEVER DIES: Your 3 Favourite Scenes Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:15 pm | |
| 1. "Hoooah, haaaa, hooah! Pathetic."
2. Bond sabotages CMGN's big night.
3. Sinking of the Devonshire. |
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Mr. Kiss Kiss Bang Bang 00 Agent
Posts : 8496 Member Since : 2010-05-12 Location : Strawberry Fields
| Subject: Re: TOMORROW NEVER DIES: Your 3 Favourite Scenes Sun Oct 31, 2021 12:57 pm | |
| - Hilly wrote:
- 1. White Knight
the music, the dialogue ("What's Bond doing!?/His job!") and action.
2. Devonshire
even now the loss of a warship feels a jolt. I remember watching this the first time and it was unthinkable. To my parents, maybe they thought back to 1982 when Sheffield, Coventry etc were lost. Seeing Devonshire's bow jutting up remains a vivid image but what underlines it all is when the order to abandon ship is giving. The lighting as crew unhook their equipment, the shadowy slow mo and the choir. All of which is made worse by the machine gunning of the sailors.
3. Backseat Driver
Arnold's score, the SFX/VFX, Brozzer's reaction to things like the tyre reinflating...
but individual moments play a part with TND least of all Pryce's performance as Carver. Can't argue with those. I find myself also enjoying Gotz Otto's utter relish with his one-liners in the Devonshire sequence. - PK wrote:
- 1. "Hoooah, haaaa, hooah! Pathetic."
BC's most hated scene in the series. Can't say I understand why. - PK wrote:
- 2. Bond sabotages CMGN's big night.
Underrated scene in my opinion. Bond in the shadows and inciting complete humiliation for a man who craves attention. Plus the little nuggets of Wai Lin's smirk, Paris's concern of knowing what's to come, the poor PR girl losing her job and Arnold's cue. |
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Perilagu Khan 00 Agent
Posts : 5677 Member Since : 2011-03-21 Location : The high plains
| Subject: Re: TOMORROW NEVER DIES: Your 3 Favourite Scenes Sun Oct 31, 2021 3:59 pm | |
| - Mr. Kiss Kiss Bang Bang wrote:
- Hilly wrote:
- 1. White Knight
the music, the dialogue ("What's Bond doing!?/His job!") and action.
2. Devonshire
even now the loss of a warship feels a jolt. I remember watching this the first time and it was unthinkable. To my parents, maybe they thought back to 1982 when Sheffield, Coventry etc were lost. Seeing Devonshire's bow jutting up remains a vivid image but what underlines it all is when the order to abandon ship is giving. The lighting as crew unhook their equipment, the shadowy slow mo and the choir. All of which is made worse by the machine gunning of the sailors.
3. Backseat Driver
Arnold's score, the SFX/VFX, Brozzer's reaction to things like the tyre reinflating...
but individual moments play a part with TND least of all Pryce's performance as Carver. Can't argue with those. I find myself also enjoying Gotz Otto's utter relish with his one-liners in the Devonshire sequence.
- PK wrote:
- 1. "Hoooah, haaaa, hooah! Pathetic."
BC's most hated scene in the series. Can't say I understand why.
- PK wrote:
- 2. Bond sabotages CMGN's big night.
Underrated scene in my opinion. Bond in the shadows and inciting complete humiliation for a man who craves attention. Plus the little nuggets of Wai Lin's smirk, Paris's concern of knowing what's to come, the poor PR girl losing her job and Arnold's cue. Oh, I think you know bloody well why she hated that scene. She probably isn't wild about Bond's butt-slap/"man talk" in GF either. I love the production in the CMGN sabotage scene. Also love Carver's speech that gets cut off. In fact, I love just about all of the scenes where Bond crashes some swank soiree. Two that spring to mind are Tosca/QOS and Green Planet/QOS. I'm sure there are others. Some of the casino scenes might fit, i.e. in TWINE and SF, and I think there may have been one in DAD. |
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Mr. Kiss Kiss Bang Bang 00 Agent
Posts : 8496 Member Since : 2010-05-12 Location : Strawberry Fields
| Subject: Re: TOMORROW NEVER DIES: Your 3 Favourite Scenes Sun Oct 31, 2021 10:56 pm | |
| Perhaps what she needs is a butt slap of her own. Indeed. A villain who's virtually announcing his villainy to an unsuspecting public, and delivered with such charisma and relish from Pryce. I haven't seen QOS for a while but the Greene Planet party worked for me because of Fields' inclusion and a chance for Almaric to shoot some venom Bond's way. And I quite like the set design, too. But I recall some odd, unexplained shots of Felix at the party and a less-than convincing Kurylenko in arguably her only weak spot in the film. I don't mind DAD's Ice Palace party scene due to the magnificent set design but some of the dialogue and the Icarus demonstration are naff. |
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Perilagu Khan 00 Agent
Posts : 5677 Member Since : 2011-03-21 Location : The high plains
| Subject: Re: TOMORROW NEVER DIES: Your 3 Favourite Scenes Mon Nov 01, 2021 3:36 pm | |
| Ah, yes. The Ice Palace. It's all coming back. Wasn't there some line about, "With a little ice--if you can spare it."?
And I also seem to recall a race on the ice in some kind of speeder. Seems to have been red. Pretty cool looking, IIRC. |
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Mr. Kiss Kiss Bang Bang 00 Agent
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| Subject: Re: TOMORROW NEVER DIES: Your 3 Favourite Scenes Mon Nov 01, 2021 9:56 pm | |
| Pretty good for someone who hasn't watched it for a long while. Can't be all bad then. |
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Perilagu Khan 00 Agent
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| Subject: Re: TOMORROW NEVER DIES: Your 3 Favourite Scenes Mon Nov 01, 2021 10:18 pm | |
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