What is your attitude to B23?

We're a full 16 months away from the advent of B23 and still don't know too much about the film, but based upon what you do know, what's your attitude to the film? Are you hopeful and enthusiastic? Cynical and apathetic? Filled with fear and dread? None of the above?

As someone who liked the last two films, I'm hopeful. There were a few little problems with Quantum Of Solace, but nothing they shouldn't be able to learn from and put right. I just hope they don't pull another Die Another Day with it being the anniversary.

I'm hopeful and enthusiastic, but also healthily skeptical about the script and some of the rumours thrown around about the cast and locations. That the film is attracting so much first-class talent like Mendes, Deakins, Bardem, Fiennes, Anwar, etc. means that it'll likely be an unorthodox Bond film once again (although potentially very different from CR and QOS). I'm confident it'll be more in the vein of a focused thriller rather than a Hollywood action movie featuring some bloke named Bond. I'm also confident it'll be one of the classiest and best-looking Bond films and that Mendes will bring out the gentleman spy out of Craig, as hard as that could be.

I'll be there. If I can sit through stinkers like Die Another Day and show up at the cinema 4 years later for Casino Royale, that proves I'm loyal.

Well that, plus we have our favourite make-out spots in several cinemas.

I'm hoping for a much better outing than QOS. I'm not entirely happy about Mendes as I think there are better candidates for Bond but we'll see how it goes.

I'm virtually the complete opposite to Bondfan06. I think Mendes is a fabulous choice. I don't think there will be too many political inclinations, but we'll see what happens. I love the fantastic characterisations of his characters and I think he is just a great film-maker (I've only seen Revolutionary Road and Road to Perdition, though apparently his best work lies in Amercian Beauty. I was most impressed with the ones I saw too!). I have faith in Mendes.

I'm skeptical about Naomie Harris however. She just doesn't strike me as a good actress, not to mention she doesn't exactly maintain a classy, Bondian or exotic look. I hope, if she is cast, she doesn't fall into the same league as Pam, Jinx, Holly or even Vesper. (Despite me criticising Green's Vesper because she wasn't precisely what the novel described, I thought she was serviceable. But one's plenty, eh?)

In terms of locations, if India is chosen, it may unfortunately rid of Octopussy's uniqueness. That said, given the comedic fashion in which India was used, I think Mendes will do a fine job - especially with Deakins capturing it!

Basically, I'm mostly optimistic, and I'm only really skeptical about Harris.

To answer my own question, I'm always excited about the latest Bond film and B23 is no exception. This time, however, I'll enter the theater in cringe mode. I'll look forward to watching the film, but I will also be fearing the further politicization of Bond that QOS innaugurated. I hope that QOS was a one-off in that respect, but the hiring of Mendes and Harris along with Babs putting Bond in a dress have me expecting the worst.

Cautiously pessimistic. The signs are all there (Mendes, Craig in drag, Logan etc...), we only need Charles Vine to do his prognostication.

I think this will be Craig's TWINE.

Speaking of Vine, he needs to be on this site. Has anybody extended him an invitation?

Hmmm....

Positives:
Daniel Craig

Negatives:
Babs
Purvis
Wade
Arnold
Dench
Mendes
Logan
Bourne
The dress ad
CGI


F*ck me, that's 10 against 1. This f*cker's doomed, given the people involved. I'm still looking forward to it, just on the off chance that somehow many of the flaws which that list above bring to the table can somehow be reigned in.

QOS was nowhere near as bad as many make out IMO, but it still should have been a whole lot better and was a bit of a waste of potential. And the Bourne and Transporter sh*t has to stop.

It's the direction Bond 23 seems to be headed in through appointments such as Mendes and Logan which make me fear a TWINE-style clusterf*ck. Couple those two with the woeful, somehow still employed writers and the sh*tting on the legacy composer and I can't really see how this film is gonna avoid very blatant flaws, inconsistencies and stupidities. I'm basically expecting a film which has ludicrous pretentions about BAFTAs, yet still wants to have stupid gimmicks and ridiculous CGI action setpieces at the same time. So yep, I'm expecting TWINE RELOADED, with the only real comfort being my knowledge that Craig's presence alone will at least make it better than the Brosnan films. I just hope they can enlarge Ian and Cubby's coffins before this film comes out, as it's really unfair to keep them rolling around this much.

I'm just waiting for the Craig era to come to an end really - which should be some time around 2050/

I have literally zero expectations, which means I'll only be pleasantly surprised.

Oh and Lazenby, you forgot one positive... ROGER DEAKINS :twisted:

Nonchalant until I get a whiff of it.

I was hopeful that the team would pay some heed to what many - both critics and fans - were saying about QOS and ease up on the melodrama, but I get the feeling they'll aim to disappoint once more. I'm sure the urge to insert pyschobable, pretension, and whatever soft-left cause Babs is in the mood to explore will be too great. Craig's TWINE? God help us...

Just remember that Mendes doesn't have a wife to polish the script. That could minimize the feminist angle....

FieldsMan wrote:

Just remember that Mendes doesn't have a wife to polish the script. That could minimize the feminist angle....

Don't worry, I'm sure Babs will have that angle covered. She'll even lay out a nice evening gown for Danny.

Positives:

Daniel Craig
Judi Dench
China. I expect this be the main location of the movie.
India. Brief
In QOS confirmd location. Brief
In CR confirmd location. Main
Sam Mendes (At the moment)
Gassner (Hopefully he can make something beautiful)
Roger Deankins

Worried:

Not enough breath moments in the beginning of the movie see Casino Royale or more action to full a scene insteed of more breath moments with serious dialogue in the story. If Roger Moore can Daniel Craig can do it also.

I am worried about David Arnold doing the score alone because i hope the music have something Asian in it but it sound to techno. I hope he take the 4 years also do re-search and calm down with the first point.

I agree for it biggest part what Peter Morgan said about France people interview. about his try to give the producer a preview of a idea have for Bond 23. In other words Eon should do everthing to get a Chinees played by somebody who is or have a chinees background. This made a bit worried about John Logan & Debbie McWilliams..

Humor. It need more humor, subtil and respect humor. NO bike chaise on the Chinees wall or killing a Indian on a Indian embasy with a smile on his face.

Daniel Craig. The parts that wil look like to much on CR see the comments from above.
Kings Of Leon
It wil be Judi Dench last Bond movie
It be DC last Bond movie if Bond 23 be very good.
2008-2012. 4 years have past, to long
Another delay of 4 years after this one.
1962-2012
P&W
Camera style/Second united directer.

Very Worried:

Ralph Fiennes
Story/Plot/ID of chacters. I keep in mind what Green Said. Iam curious what left from QOS and CR.
Even or less explanation of CR/QOS. What be the reasens for the villian not be clear. There are stil things from Vesper to explain and i never understand Dryden.

As always:

Promotion. Prmotion of CR sucks, QOS be better but stil it isn't what i like to see.
To Politic/include 24 subject (on violence way)

Louis Armstrong wrote:

I have literally zero expectations, which means I'll only be pleasantly surprised.

"Hope for the best, expect the worst" is always a wise position when Babs' hand is at the tiller.

Ed Tom Kowalsky wrote:

Louis Armstrong wrote:

I have literally zero expectations, which means I'll only be pleasantly surprised.

"Hope for the best, expect the worst" is always a wise position when Babs' hand is at the tiller.

I try for the no expectations, myself. I try to avoid most big news during the production of these things.

Pessimistic.

I'm hoping it's a bit more mature than the last five films. I'm sick of Bond just blowing up and beating up any one/thing he comes into contact with, while M follows him around like his mother. It's just fucking stupid at this point. Bring some espionage, suspense, and thrills back to the series. Not more senseless action shit.

I'm also hoping they put Fiennes to good use, instead of wasting his character like they did with Greene in the last film. I also hope casting him isn't solely some scheme to round-up the distraught Harry Potter fan boys.

I suppose I'll wait for a trailer.

Well, I for one liked Casino Royale and, to a lesser extent, Quantum of Solace.

...so I am pretty excited for Bond 23!!!!!

Even if I would've despised Quantum of Solace, I still would be excited for Bond 23....I'm a hopeless optimistic, at least when it comes to Bond.

After reading a lot of posts on these boards, I am surprised how many of us Bond fans dislike the last 15 years or so of Bond films. I don't know if I am just too nice on the Bond movies and let things fly that would be marked down in any other film or what, but I can plainly and expressly say that...in MY opinion...the only BAD Bond film made since 1995 was Die Another Day. How many films since 1995 make up my top 10 favorite Bond films? Only three (Casino Royale at #1, QOS at #8 and GoldenEye at #10)....but I don't get the loathing of the rest!

Call me an idiot and juvenile for liking 'NuBond' but I do. Is 'old Bond' better, though? Yes it is. But I truly and honestly believe one can like From Russia With Love AND The World Is Not Enough...I have seen crazier in this world.

(For the record, I rate FRWL a 9.5/10 and TWINE a 7/10....From Russia With Love is #3 on my list and The World Is Not Enough is #14...I prefer FRWL to TWINE in every aspect, but I find TWINE to be an enjoyable romp....I feel I had to put add that on otherwise people would question my Bond fandom...not that people won't already for not loathing TWINE!)

I rate CR #2 and QOS somewhere around #11, so I certainly don't hate the Craig era. That said, there were worrisome signs in QOS and they have proceeded apace in the last several months. For that reason I am filled with foreboding about B23.

I'm pretty sceptical as to how good this film will be. I've been disappointed one to many times. Personally, I think the only good Bond film post Cubby Eon have made is Casino Royale and that was also the only film to be based on a full length Fleming yarn since the pre Brsonan era. I haven't liked any of the films excluding CR in the past 16 years.

I'm very much into character development and playing up the psychological angle but these films always get ruined by having too many action scenes and in the Brosnan era, terrible dialogue.

Also, while I like Judy Dench it's time she stays in her office instead of following Bond all over the world.

I will see it in the cinema as it is Bond but I will go in expecting little.

"Bring some espionage, suspense, and thrills back to the series. Not more senseless action shit.

I'm also hoping they put Fiennes to good use, instead of wasting his character like they did with Greene in the last film..."

Couldn't agree more. Well, if Fiennes is doing it then unless they really give him a chance to showcase his wonderful acting abilities they might aswell cast Justin Bieber in the role. The talented Mathieu Amalric was horribly under used in favour of a grotesque over abundance of senseless action. Eon cast these talented actors and hire character driven directors and then give us a film that would have probably looked and sounded the same if it was helmed by any generic action director. It's laughable. It's a p**s take.

Fuck it. I'll wait for Bond #<insert debut Bond for actor #7>.

SJK91 wrote:

...so I am pretty excited for Bond 23!!!!!

Even if I would've despised Quantum of Solace, I still would be excited for Bond 23....I'm a hopeless optimistic, at least when it comes to Bond.

After reading a lot of posts on these boards, I am surprised how many of us Bond fans dislike the last 15 years or so of Bond films. I don't know if I am just too nice on the Bond movies and let things fly that would be marked down in any other film or what, but I can plainly and expressly say that...in MY opinion...the only BAD Bond film made since 1995 was Die Another Day. How many films since 1995 make up my top 10 favorite Bond films? Only three (Casino Royale at #1, QOS at #8 and GoldenEye at #10)....but I don't get the loathing of the rest!

Call me an idiot and juvenile for liking 'NuBond' but I do. Is 'old Bond' better, though? Yes it is. But I truly and honestly believe one can like From Russia With Love AND The World Is Not Enough...I have seen crazier in this world.

(For the record, I rate FRWL a 9.5/10 and TWINE a 7/10....From Russia With Love is #3 on my list and The World Is Not Enough is #14...I prefer FRWL to TWINE in every aspect, but I find TWINE to be an enjoyable romp....I feel I had to put add that on otherwise people would question my Bond fandom...not that people won't already for not loathing TWINE!)

You're pretty much like me. I love both TWINE and FRWL, TND and DN, so you won't get any hatred from me for the last 15 years.

MBalje wrote:

Humor. It need more humor, subtil and respect humor. NO bike chaise on the Chinees wall or killing a Indian on a Indian embasy with a smile on his face

Very good Balje

I'm not sure what to expect.

I'm hoping Eon have the sense to realize where "Quantum" failed. If they can get back to something that has the feel that "Casino Royale" did, I'll be OK with it.

However, I'm worried that it might try to be a little too bombastic. It's the 50th anniversary, and we all know what happened for the series' 40th. The cast is seemingly loaded and there's a lot of big-name talent rumored to be involved. Hopefully the script carries its weight.