Sabbath, Dio, Rainbow, etc etc

Seve wrote:

tiffanywint wrote:

My favouite alive band would be the Rolling Stones as is.
Jagger, Keef, Woody and Charlie.
Bill Wyman is 74. He can stay retired if he wants. He's earned it.

Macca can play base?

and slip in Chuck Berry for Woody - Chuck and Keith would be my dream team
failing that bring back Mick Taylor, Keith will admit he wishes he hadn't left
:bom:

Macca could play bass but then its an all-star band. Macca's no Rolling Stone.

I do prefer Woody to Mick Taylor. No-one wanted Taylor to leave. He was a great guitarist and played on some great albums but I think Woody fit better with the bands rock n roll swagger. He brought enthusiasm and a third front man alongside Mick and Keef.
There isn't a lot of Taylor Stones footage out there but what there is depicts the band in its classic era prime, but only Mick and Keith really energetically perform. Taylor and Wyman were stage left, stage right statues, and Charlie isn't the most flamboyant drummer.
The Taylor years featured the Stones at the height of their musicianship so this more staid approach to the stage show put the focus on the music and was maybe for the best, but with the arrival of Woody in the mid 70's, with the Stones legacy firmly established for eternity, the stage show really blossomed. Woody energized the band.
As for now, the only guy I want playing bass with the Stones is Wyman. He compliments the other four. But he's retired so I'm good with Darryl Jones in a support role. Jones knows the music cold by this point and doesn't upstage Mick, Keith and Ronnie.

Speaking of all-star bands, Seve you might rememer the Dirty Mac, which played on the Stones Rock n Roll Circus show.
It featured John Lennon on vocal and rythm guitar, Eric Clapton on lead guitar, Keith on bass and Hendrix drummer Mitch Mitchell.
But its almost a Beatles clone line-up, the way the roles are defined with Clapton subbing for Harrison, and Richards for Macca.

It would be neat to see a Godfathers of heavy metal guitar show with Blackmore, Jimmy Page and Tony Iommi. But could guys like that play with each other? They are all lead guys. I guess they could jam and trade licks and take turns soloing....but Blackmore might insist the others play back-up to his lead.
I do like Blackmore. He's brilliant, but the stories of how he ran his bands, his way or the highway, are legend. This approach was ok with Rainbow because that was his band - but he drove his equals in Purple crazy. To this day Gillan won't even broach the mentioning of his name.

Blackmore is - apparently - a little.... weird.

On the plus side, our new drummer was somewhat less frenetic last night (obviously he didn't drink two cans of Red Bull before playing), and we were making some fairly decent sounds. With any luck, we should be recording a demo in a month or so. At which point, I could probably have something for people to listen to (providing I know how to stick it on the interweb.... which isn't certain).

Ravenstone wrote:

Blackmore is - apparently - a little.... weird.

On the plus side, our new drummer was somewhat less frenetic last night (obviously he didn't drink two cans of Red Bull before playing), and we were making some fairly decent sounds. With any luck, we should be recording a demo in a month or so. At which point, I could probably have something for people to listen to (providing I know how to stick it on the interweb.... which isn't certain).

That's good news Rave. Your drummer sounds like the drummer from the old Muppets rock band. Frenetic.

I'm no interweb expert, but I guess you could create an mp3 file and link to it.

Someone else here would be of more help though.

Oh, when I'm ready to rock, I shall be asking how to make your ears bleed, don't worry! ;)

Ravenstone wrote:

Oh, when I'm ready to rock, I shall be asking how to make your ears bleed, don't worry! ;)

Rock n roll is a vicious game!

Rave strikes a pose!

Blonde? Moi? Perish the thought....

Think more...

Pardon moi, Rave n'est pas blonde.

Rave strikes a pose. Take 2.

Blimey. That's rather frightening, actually.

Not a Scabbia fan.

Ok then. Elvira it is.

Rave strikes a pose Take 3.

No, not frightening like that. Frightening as, it could almost look like me. Well, me a couple of years ago, perhaps....

Ravenstone wrote:

Oh, when I'm ready to rock, I shall be asking how to make your ears bleed, don't worry! ;)

OK Scabbia it is. Rave strikes a pose Take 4. Rave sings Dio "Don't call me blonde" Bond fans ears bleed.
Ambler returns to see what all the fuss is about. Ambler's ears bleed.
A good time had by all. :cheers:

Nice piano keyboard belt there.

tiffanywint wrote:

I do prefer Woody to Mick Taylor. No-one wanted Taylor to leave. He was a great guitarist and played on some great albums but I think Woody fit better with the bands rock n roll swagger. He brought enthusiasm and a third front man alongside Mick and Keef.
There isn't a lot of Taylor Stones footage out there but what there is depicts the band in its classic era prime, but only Mick and Keith really energetically perform. Taylor and Wyman were stage left, stage right statues, and Charlie isn't the most flamboyant drummer.
The Taylor years featured the Stones at the height of their musicianship so this more staid approach to the stage show put the focus on the music and was maybe for the best, but with the arrival of Woody in the mid 70's, with the Stones legacy firmly established for eternity, the stage show really blossomed. Woody energized the band.

having recently watched the "Exile" concert footage, you're right, Taylor was strictly for listening, Woody is much better for watching

tiffanywint wrote:

Speaking of all-star bands, Seve you might rememer the Dirty Mac, which played on the Stones Rock n Roll Circus show.
It featured John Lennon on vocal and rythm guitar, Eric Clapton on lead guitar, Keith on bass and Hendrix drummer Mitch Mitchell.
But its almost a Beatles clone line-up, the way the roles are defined with Clapton subbing for Harrison, and Richards for Macca.

I friend of mine says apprently the others all remarked on how loudly Lennon sung, a result of all those evening spent shouting over the top of the revellers at the Cavern club and on the Reeperbahn

Seve wrote:

having recently watched the "Exile" concert footage, you're right, Taylor was strictly for listening, Woody is much better for watching

Wood is a great foil for Jagger. I think the Stones have one last mega tour left in them. They will likely tour next year. Mick and Keith are distracted by side projects this year.
The next tour should really be the last if only because time is no longer on their side.
Mick and Keith will be 69 next year. Charlie 71 and Wood 65.
I guess a tour beyond that is possible but even Mick admits that touring in their mid 70's may not interest them. They might finally be content to rest on their laurels, do selective shows maybe, but park the big traveling circus stage show for good.

Seve wrote:

[I friend of mine says apprently the others all remarked on how loudly Lennon sung, a result of all those evening spent shouting over the top of the revellers at the Cavern club and on the Reeperbahn

Lennon had one hell of a voice.

tiffanywint wrote:

A good time had by all.

Your reputation precedes you, Rave. ;)

Blunt Instrument wrote:

tiffanywint wrote:

A good time had by all.

Your reputation precedes you, Rave. ;)

I am the good time had by some, at least. :D

Favourite Glam rock albums.

From that era when real men wore make up and looked like girls.
(actually the era keeps getting recycled. its a proven formula)


Bowie, Aladdin Sane and Diamond Dogs
(Diamond Dogs is awesome especially the title song)

Stones, Goats Head Soup and It's Only Rock n Roll ( is there a sassier, lewder, raunchier, full strut, rock n roll song than the Stones infamous ode to groupies, Star Star)

Lou Reed, Transformer.

Sweet, (the ultimate glam band) Desolation Boulevard and Give Us A Wink

plus Stooges, prime Rod Stewart and Faces, T-Rex. Anything by New York Dolls. Just can't remember the names of the albums.

I think the new decade is due for a glam rock revival. Some fresh blood.

Ah, the Sweet. I always claim 'Blockbuster' to be my song, due to the line, "You'd better watch out and you've got long black hair" :D

Poison. Now there's a band that knew how to wear make-up.

And Slade. I can't not mention Slade.

tiffanywint wrote:

Favourite Glam rock albums.
From that era when real men wore make up and looked like girls.
(actually the era keeps getting recycled. its a proven formula)

Bowie, Aladdin Sane and Diamond Dogs
(Diamond Dogs is awesome especially the title song)

I tend not to listen to whole albums from this era
from Bowie there are a handful of songs from each of those albums above that I have on my Glam compilations'
plus some from "Ziggy" and "The Man Who Sold The World" (particularly "Black Country Rock" and the title song)
and "Queen Bitch" from Hunky Dory

tiffanywint wrote:

Stones, Goats Head Soup and It's Only Rock n Roll ( is there a sassier, lewder, raunchier, full strut, rock n roll song than the Stones infamous ode to groupies, Star Star)

"Glam" was the "look" which has come to define this epoch, but there was a distinct dichotomy when it comes to the "sound"
IMO the best bands of the period were mainly influenced by the Stones
Bowie / Lou Reed / The New York Dolls / The Faces
while the commercial "Pop" branch drew inspiration from the 50s filtered through jump suit era Elvis
Gary Glitter / Suzy Quarto / Alvin Stardust

tiffanywint wrote:

Lou Reed, Transformer.

or Lou Reed "Rock & Roll Animal" and some of his stuff from the later Velvet Underground albums, particularly "Loaded"
to my ears Lou Reed sings much better live, where somehow the shortcomings of his voice are not so apparent

tiffanywint wrote:

Sweet, (the ultimate glam band) Desolation Boulevard and Give Us A Wink

Ravenstone wrote:

Ah, the Sweet. I always claim 'Blockbuster' to be my song, due to the line, "You'd better watch out and you've got long black hair"

they committed some heinous aural crimes in their time, "Little Willie" and "Wig Wam Bam"
but also gave us power pop gems like "Hell Raiser", "Action", "Ballroom Blitz", "Blockbuster" and "Love Is Like Oxygen"
so I can forgive them

tiffanywint wrote:

plus Stooges, prime Rod Stewart and Faces, T-Rex. Anything by New York Dolls. Just can't remember the names of the albums.

erm, I think one was called "The New York Dolls"?
perhaps the ultimate and original Glam band?
they had the makeup, the late 50s / early 60s influences AND the Rolling Stones influence in their music, "Lone Star Queen" and "Human Being"

tiffanywint wrote:

I think the new decade is due for a glam rock revival. Some fresh blood.

I think "The Darkness" have already tried
Rock & Roll is dead?
or the market is fragmented and there may never be a mass movement like it again?

Ravenstone wrote:

And Slade. I can't not mention Slade.

brrrrrrrr…. yes you can, please, it's just a matter of will power
(although "Cum On Feel The Noiz" cannot be denied)

Seve wrote:

brrrrrrrr…. yes you can, please, it's just a matter of will power
(although "Cum On Feel The Noiz" cannot be denied)

No, really. I can't. Our Neville would never forgive me.

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"Glam" was the "look" which has come to define this epoch, but there was a distinct dichotomy when it comes to the "sound"
IMO the best bands of the period were mainly influenced by the Stones
Bowie / Lou Reed / The New York Dolls / The Faces
while the commercial "Pop" branch drew inspiration from the 50s filtered through jump suit era Elvis
Gary Glitter / Suzy Quarto / Alvin Stardust

Yep the best glam is Stones influenced. The glam bands took the Stones sass and rock n roll strut and took it to another level and then the Stones copied the new look for their own little glam faze, actually Jagger's glam faze. Keith's only going to put up with so much make-up, but Jagger I think wished he was Bowie for a spell.

The Dolls are one of the best Stones influenced bands as are the two Bowie "Stones like" albums, although Bowie mixes things up. Only some tracks have the Stones strut.
Diamond Dogs, the song though is pure Stones, with added Bowie camp touch. The DD album though is more a concept album of diverse sounds based on the horror of Orwell's 1984 vision. Its one of my favourite albums. It's all over the map, style wise as you might expect from Bowie.

Slade shall always be remembered for "Momma We're All Crazy Now". A classic. The Runaways do a great cover of this song as well.

The Faces were the other Stones band of the early 70's. Almost a clone band. It was an easy transition for Woody to slide over later.

The early 70's pushing into the mid 70's, I think was the zenith of rock n roll. You had the whole glam rock n roll scene going full blast and the heavy bands like Purple Sabbath and Zep were all in their prime, while the Who and Floyd were putting out some of their vintage stuff as well, plus the prog rock bands and others were reving up and the punks were on the horizon too.

tiffanywint wrote:

The early 70's pushing into the mid 70's, I think was the zenith of rock n roll. You had the whole glam rock n roll scene going full blast and the heavy bands like Purple Sabbath and Zep were all in their prime, while the Who and Floyd were putting out some of their vintage stuff as well, plus the prog rock bands and others were reving up and the punks were on the horizon too.

I'm going to have to disagree with you there, aka timmer,
IMO the second half of the 60s was the zenith and the first half of the 70s saw rise of the shallow decadence of most Glam rock, the self indulgent soloing of Heavy rock, the cringe inducing pretentiousness of Prog rock and the orchestral wash and soft production which overwhelmed mainstream pop and provided the impetus for back a to basics Punk rock rebellion

the mid sixties gave us the Beatles in the full flower of there mature genius
the Kinks gave us a series of power chord pop and satirical psychedelic pop singles
the Stones ranged from tight 50s rock & roll to sometimes brilliant British invasion pop to the beginning of their classic run of definitive rock albums and singles, starting with "Beggars Banquet", followed by "Let It Bleed"
the Who had produced a fist full of great pop singles and Tommy

3 of Jimmy Hendrix 4 albums were released in the 60s
4 of the Doors 6 albums
all of Cream's 4 albums were released in the 60s
all 5 Small Faces albums
and the first 2 classic Led Zeppelin albums
not to mention all the other great British invasion pop and rock music from the likes of the Animals, the Troggs, Them etc
not to mention it was the golden age of Soul music with Otis Redding, Aretha Franklin, Wilson Pickett, Martha & the Vandellas, Sam & Dave, Smokie Robinson etc

of course, in the final analysis, it's silly to draw arbitrary lines in the sand based on dates
the rock and roll which emerged in the mid 50s ran into the early 60s and the 60s, as we think of them, continued into the early 70s
mid 60s to early 70s is the golden age for me

Well actually I agree, the mid 60's to early maybe mid-70s was the zenith of rock, 1967-1974, for all the reasons you point out and then things leveled off a bit. Its all really a matter of taste, but there is no doubt the mid-late 60's was a major transition period that formed the foundation for everything that would follow.
Rock music came of age in the summer of love. It grew up. The scene shifted from singles to album rock. Gone were the stage uniforms and neat haircuts. Anything went.
Personally I like most the music that flourished in the early to mid-70 and even into the late 70's. Not only the rock n roll stuff but the first big albums from the prog rockers as well.
Did those prog guys get any girls back then I wonder or did the rock n roll, glam gods have the groupie market cornered?
I went to a Rush show a while ago. I swear the guy to girl ratio was about 20-1, and I wasn't too worried any of them were likely to hit on my gf when I went for beer either.
Most of the great Brit rock bands that I like are rooted in the late 60s, or transitioned into their classic period in the late 60's, like the Beatles,Who, Stones.
I'm more partial to 1968/69 forward - the transition out of psychedelic/acid rock. I do like Cream and Hendrix but prefer what came after. I'm not a big fan of early Purple either. I prefer Blackmore's transitioning of the band into hard rock circa 1970 with the Deep Purple in Rock album and the launch of the classic MkII line-up.
Zep, Floyd, Purple, Genesis, Yes, Tull, are all monster bands of the 70's, which also sprang from the end of the previous decade and Sabbath is rooted in the same period. Iommi played very briefly with Tull circa 1968.
My personal favourite period is the early 70's trashy glam period though, even if a lot of it was kinda crappy. The good stuff though was a lot of fun. I even like Elton John from this period and lots of other stuff that was going on.
Punk I do like but it was such a limited form of musical expression, it could only last so long. The good punk bands were basically rock n roll bands, that would adapt beyond the rebellious/anger fueled music.
I liked much of the Seatle grunge scene of the 90's. That had some staying
power but good rock music is good rock music, no matter what the era.
I'm not finding much new stuff that I like though, other than 70-90's bands that are still putting out material, but maybe if I was in high school, I'd be more dialed in.
I do some teaching and the kids loan me their ipods, but I don't hear a lot there that I want to copy. One guy about 16 even told me with a straight face, that he'd never heard of the Stones. I forgave the slight though, as I did appreciate the Rammstein he copied for me. He'd never heard of Sabbath either. He's just into his own little ipod scene of new bands.
A lot of the kids I notice are listening to the old stuff anyway. One guy that I do work with, about 18, is a Floyd expert. He knows the band better than I do.

I wonder if 200 years from now, if pioneer bands like the Beatles, Floyd, Zep etc will have legend status akin to what the classical composers do now.
After all, those classical composers were the young long-haired eccentric music makers of their day. The great ones solidified their place in history, while others faded into obscurity.

tiffanywint wrote:

I'm more partial to 1968/69 forward - the transition out of psychedelic/acid rock... Zep, Floyd, Purple, Genesis, Yes, Tull, are all monster bands of the 70's, which also sprang from the end of the previous decade and Sabbath is rooted in the same period.

it's the opposite for me, Heavy Rock and Prog bands take themselves far too seriously for my taste (although they all have occasional good moments)
I've always preferred faster paced more pop oriented rock of the sort produced by Bachman Turner Overdrive, Thin Lizzy or on Montrose first album
new wave power pop from the likes of early Blondie, The Cars, The Knack, Cheap Trick, Elvis Costello, The Police, The Pretenders, The Cure, The Cult… U2
they may often have only been good for a fistful of singles or an album or two, but that doesn't make them any less great in my eyes, "we're here for a good time not a long time"

tiffanywint wrote:

My personal favourite period is the early 70's trashy glam period though, even if a lot of it was kinda crappy. The good stuff though was a lot of fun. I even like Elton John from this period and lots of other stuff that was going on.

Bowie, T-Rex, Lou Reed, New York Dolls… The Sweet, Gary Glitter, Suzi Quatro…
I like to build up compilations of music from particular periods of genres to play in my car, any Glam tips outside of the usual suspects aka timmer?

tiffanywint wrote:

I'm not finding much new stuff that I like though, other than 70-90's bands that are still putting out material, but maybe if I was in high school, I'd be more dialed in.

I'm rather out of touch these days too
I wasn't that keen on Grunge in general, but I liked a lot of Brit Pop and what I refer to as "Geek Rock" (the likes of Weezer, Presidents of the USA's first album etc)
Foo Fighters and Chili Peppers still have their moments, but nothing has really caught my ear lately
I often discover things from movie soundtracks these days, like Harvey Danger, Will Hoge or Fountains of Wayne

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Bowie, T-Rex, Lou Reed, New York Dolls… The Sweet, Gary Glitter, Suzi Quatro…
I like to build up compilations of music from particular periods of genres to play in my car, any Glam tips outside of the usual suspects aka timmer?

Nope, the ususual suspects deliver the goods quite well.
I would heartily recommend the glam rock found on
Bowie, Aladdin Sane
Bowie, Diamond Dogs
Stones, Goats Head Soup
Sweet, Desolation Boulevard

The two Bowie albums are acquired tastes IMO unless you are a devoted Bowie fan. He's so experimental that there are adjustments to make if one is not tuned to the Bowie genius. I'm not a huge Bowie fan. I've just cherry picked some of his albums over the years, that I really like.

Those are my favourites especially Desolation Boulevard.
I'm basically a fan of the whole 70's rock explosion from rock n roll to glam to the heavier bands to the proggers, the punks and the late decade poppy rock bands like Blondie. The whole decade was magic from start to finish.

I might recommend Teenage Head, a local Hamilton band, which I've seen probably about 30 times. They made 9 albums. Their prime was the 80's. They came from the punk scene but they do have rock n roll and heavy metal sensibilities as well. The bass player, Steve Marshall is an AC/DC fan. The late lead singer, Frankie Venom is of the Gene and Eddie school, while guitarist Gord Lewis, the band leader, is of the 70's Ramones, Pistols school. Makes for a great dynamic.
Their 2nd album Frantic City (1980) is well worth listening to, especially one of their signature openers, Let's Shake.



The first album, Teenage Head (1979) is a high energy punk album.
Their most recent album (2008) Frankie, Gord and Steve teamed up with Marky Ramone on drums and covered off a bunch of their old hits. Frankie died a few months later so at least he got to play with a member of one of his favourite bands before he checked out.
The Head used to close out a lot of their shows with an encore of the Pistols, Anarchy and the Ramones, Blitzkrieg. Real show ending crowd pleasers. Halls used to run out of beer for their shows. They were the ultimate party band.
They even caused a riot at Ontario Place which caused the park to ban rock bands for eternity. Actually they are not gone yet. Gord and Steve still do the odd Teenage Head show in Hamilton.

I still have my "Gimme Some Teenage Head tee-shirt" A coveted possession.