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PostSubject: Original Swedish Versions - Dragon Tattoo Trilogy   Fri Feb 03, 2012 12:48 am

Has anyone seen these?

How does the swedish version of Girl With The Dragon Tattoo compare to the current 2011 edition with Daniel Craig and Rooney Mara? And is the original trilogy at least subtitled in English? I saw a couple of them at a local video store and might want to try them out, as I liked the Craig/Mara film....

From what I've read, both Craig and Mara are already signed for the sequel, The Girl Who Played With Fire. (That was me, in my campus years...)
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PostSubject: Re: Original Swedish Versions - Dragon Tattoo Trilogy   Fri Feb 03, 2012 4:03 am

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Has anyone seen these?

How does the swedish version of Girl With The Dragon Tattoo compare to the current 2011 edition with Daniel Craig and Rooney Mara? And is the original trilogy at least subtitled in English? I saw a couple of them at a local video store and might want to try them out, as I liked the Craig/Mara film....

From what I've read, both Craig and Mara are already signed for the sequel, The Girl Who Played With Fire. (That was me, in my campus years...)

There's a thread discussing a comparison between the Fincher and original Swedish versions, as well as the two different Swedish versions here:

http://bondandbeyond.forumotion.com/t459p30-the-girl-with-the-dragon-tattoo-fincher?highlight=girl+with+dragon+tattoo

I haven't seen the American version....yet, but it apparently is even more faithful to the book than the Swedish version, but they also have had to leave some detail out to streamline both sets of films.

FIncher's version has made about $200 million in total box office so far, and will probably do fairly well in the home entertainment market. Maybe just well enough to warrant the two sequels.

I've seen the first two Swedish films and thought they were good, but I imagine Fincher's will be better because it is in my language. There's just something about seeing a film in your own language that helps; I have no problem with subtitles, but they do tend to take some of the focus off the performances because the audience is having to read.

The original Swedish films are now on DVD and Blu-Ray with massively extended editions. For the Millennium purist, I'd say they'll probably be worth the purchase.
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PostSubject: Re: Original Swedish Versions - Dragon Tattoo Trilogy   Fri Feb 03, 2012 4:09 am

Ah...thanks for that one GS, missed it when it came out...

Flinch's version should cross the $100m US Box Office mark by next Mon-Tues...not bad for a flick which is quite adult. I'm also glad he refused to edit out the lesbian and anal rape scene for countries (like India) which get all shitty for adult sex-scenes in movies.
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PostSubject: Re: Original Swedish Versions - Dragon Tattoo Trilogy   Fri Feb 03, 2012 5:08 am

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Ah...thanks for that one GS, missed it when it came out...

Flinch's version should cross the $100m US Box Office mark by next Mon-Tues...not bad for a flick which is quite adult. I'm also glad he refused to edit out the lesbian and anal rape scene for countries (like India) which get all shitty for adult sex-scenes in movies.

Hmmm...well, the Swedish version had the rape scene and the lesbian relationship, though I can't remember if it was clear in the film that Salander's guardian was performing anal rape. And certainly you would never expect anything less from David Fincher. I have been led to believe that the ending to Fincher's film is different than the book or Swedish film, which if true, I wouldn't mind. Perhaps my only surprise so far is that Fincher didn't kill off Salander, as he likes to do with many of his lead or co-starring characters.

I haven't read Hornet's Nest yet, so therefore I haven't seen the movie either. But I've read the first two books and seen the Swedish versions and I think they are all good entities, though obviously the novels are better able to tell the big story. I did feel that 'Tattoo', even at nearly 2 hours, felt short, so I'm glad to hear that Fincher's version is considerably longer, and that the restored Swedish version of 'Tattoo' will put back nearly 1 hour of deleted footage, helping to flesh out the story a bit more.
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PostSubject: Re: Original Swedish Versions - Dragon Tattoo Trilogy   Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:11 am

yes, the Swedish version made the anal rape scene very clear because Lisbeth was shown limping home.

Fincher's version was more faithful to the books but still,

I was disappointed by what Fincher did to the ending of the movie!!

It lacks the power and impact and grief and sadness of the Swedish ending!!


Therefore, I like the Swedish version better and I've seen both version of all 3 films:

the theatrical releases and the extended TV version.

I also read all 3 books several times and I feel

Craig just doesn't come across as Blomkvist.

Rooney was excellent as Lisbeth and she does deserve to win her Academy Award.

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PostSubject: Re: Original Swedish Versions - Dragon Tattoo Trilogy   Fri Feb 03, 2012 9:34 am

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Hmmm...well, the Swedish version had the rape scene and the lesbian relationship, though I can't remember if it was clear in the film that Salander's guardian was performing anal rape.

In the US version, Nils Bjurman, her court-appointed guardian turned sex monster actually asks, "I forgot to ask you...do you like anal sex?" This is moments after he sticks his face into her ass-crack. It's not ambiguous at all.

The score by Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross is also perfect, eerie and unsettling. I've got both 'Immigrant Song' (title theme) and 'Is Your Love Strong Enough?' (closing credits) on heavy rotation on my player.

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I also read all 3 books several times and I feel

Craig just doesn't come across as Blomkvist.

Rooney was excellent as Lisbeth and she does deserve to win her Academy Award.

Where does Craig fall short in your opinion?

Agreed on Rooney...


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PostSubject: Re: Original Swedish Versions - Dragon Tattoo Trilogy   Fri Feb 03, 2012 9:41 am

Blomkvist is this investigative reporter who is trying to do good but at the same time, he is stuck between brilliant and bumbling and it's only by a combination of chance, luck, fate and other elements beyond his control that he is getting things done.

He is also at the same time, a bit helpless.

Craig just doesn't come across as such!
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PostSubject: Re: Original Swedish Versions - Dragon Tattoo Trilogy   Fri Feb 03, 2012 9:46 am

Craig is kind of typecast as 007 imho and is the total opposite of the Blomkvist character, you cannot shake that feeling that he is a dangerous person. While the Swedish actor came across as a non-actionhero.

As to the two performers of Lisbeth, Rapace and Rooney both are excellent.
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PostSubject: Re: Original Swedish Versions - Dragon Tattoo Trilogy   Fri Feb 03, 2012 10:03 am

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Craig is kind of typecast as 007 imho and is the total opposite of the Blomkvist character, you cannot shake that feeling that he is a dangerous person. While the Swedish actor came across as a non-actionhero.

I'll differ here a bit. In Casino Royale, Craig's Bond was defiant under torture...no fear on his face. In Dragon Tattoo, he's another character altogether and was completely helpless while trussed up, expecting to be emasculated or disembowelled...the fear could be seen on his face...found this piccie to show it...



He also balked when he saw the cat....while Lisbeth got out her camera...
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PostSubject: Re: Original Swedish Versions - Dragon Tattoo Trilogy   Fri Feb 03, 2012 10:30 am

I think the Craig film works better as Hollywood entertainment. There is also more brazen nudity from Rooney Mara. Rapace did the minimum. And there are no cute cat scenes in the original either. At least not that I can remember. Craig's character is more interesting. The original guy was a bit of a wet blanket.

The original films though are very intense, but quite watchable. What I did like was the sub-titles. Not knowing the language, you are forced to read, so as a result, you always know what is going on.

In the Craig film, which was a bit of a mumblefest, I wasn't quite able to follow as easily, but I didn't care, as I had already sampled the full experience with the originals. The Craig film was just bonus.

j7wild wrote:
Blomkvist is this investigative reporter who is trying to do good but at the same time, he is stuck between brilliant and bumbling and it's only by a combination of chance, luck, fate and other elements beyond his control that he is getting things done.

He is also at the same time, a bit helpless.

Craig just doesn't come across as such!

I agree with this. Although I haven't read the books, the original Blomkvist does seem closer to what might have been written. Craig is a little more Hollywood buff. Not quite as convincing as a bumbler. But Craig's version works well enough. He just brings a different look and vibe to essentially the same character.

I liken the Swedish films to being the hard core originals; the Fincher version as a sex-ed up, more commercial version - but I don't want to cast the originals as arty or Euro or whatever. They also work quite well, as big screen suspense-drama.

If you liked the new film, then IMO you will like the originals. The two versions of Dragon Tattoo, have far more in common, than they do differences. The vibe is very similar. I don't know if that will hold true for the next round of sequels.
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