British Politics thread

From that leftist, Marxist rag that is the Economist:

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It is not your fault that most of our countrymen don’t want you. Partly, the problem is the Poles. Ten years ago, when Britain was one of only three countries to open its doors to them, the government assured voters that just a few tens of thousands would come, and probably not for long. Instead more than half a million arrived. And, as well as being workers who cut cabbages and painted walls (displacing some British labourers by the simple expedient of turning up on time), they proved to be human beings who settled down and had children. We weren’t fully prepared for that.

But if our leaders were wrong a decade ago about the number of Poles and other east Europeans who would come to Britain, they are more wrong now about their effect on the country. Politicians claim they are a burden on public services already stretched thin by austerity. Nonsense: being young and able-bodied, they don’t use them much. And because they contribute more to the Treasury in taxes than they take out in benefits and services—about 35% more, according to a plausible estimate—they save our schools and hospitals from deeper cuts. They don’t depress wages much, and mostly among other immigrant workers. They make our economy bigger, lowering our debt-to-GDP ratio. If you are even remotely like them, you will be an economic boon.

http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21591865-open-letter-citizens-bulgaria-and-romania-youre-welcome

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Salomé wrote:

From that leftist, Marxist rag that is the Economist:

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It is not your fault that most of our countrymen don’t want you. Partly, the problem is the Poles. Ten years ago, when Britain was one of only three countries to open its doors to them, the government assured voters that just a few tens of thousands would come, and probably not for long. Instead more than half a million arrived. And, as well as being workers who cut cabbages and painted walls (displacing some British labourers by the simple expedient of turning up on time), they proved to be human beings who settled down and had children. We weren’t fully prepared for that.

But if our leaders were wrong a decade ago about the number of Poles and other east Europeans who would come to Britain, they are more wrong now about their effect on the country. Politicians claim they are a burden on public services already stretched thin by austerity. Nonsense: being young and able-bodied, they don’t use them much. And because they contribute more to the Treasury in taxes than they take out in benefits and services—about 35% more, according to a plausible estimate—they save our schools and hospitals from deeper cuts. They don’t depress wages much, and mostly among other immigrant workers. They make our economy bigger, lowering our debt-to-GDP ratio. If you are even remotely like them, you will be an economic boon.

http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21591865-open-letter-citizens-bulgaria-and-romania-youre-welcome

Yay! Quoted for f***ing truth! Gotta hate these bl**dy Marxists, specially when they are right.
Let's bash the Germans some more, just a few years after the war they already had better living standards again than most other countries. Couldn't be they didn't do all the work themselves, that Turks and Italians and what else they invited helped building up their country just as much asAryan effort? That possible, what with all the work and taxes they put into it?

Please let's cut this BS about uncontrolled EU migration, nothing's uncontrolled about it,mEach EU member has the option to define specifics to protect its social systems. Of course if you're set to put the blame on Brussels, or Berlin for the upstanding German haters, you just have to leave, fine with me. Will be funny to see Farage and friends look for other people to blame, guess Scotland would make a good stand in.

Erica Ambler wrote:

It's clear this discussion has taken on a personal dimension and any further comment from me can only make things worse. I won't do this anymore.

C'mon. Nothing's personal. Gotta share the country bit longer anyway, no reason t get annoyed.

Erica Ambler wrote:

It's clear this discussion has taken on a personal dimension and any further comment from me can only make things worse. I won't do this anymore.

Hmm, okay, but I don't think the Economist piece I linked to suggested a personal turn from my end. Quite the contrary.

Campbell4 wrote:

Farage is a Mosley wannabe in clubland drag

Except for how Mosley wanted a federal Europe...

CJB wrote:

Campbell4 wrote:

Farage is a Mosley wannabe in clubland drag

Except for how Mosley wanted a federal Europe...

[cough] Churchill [cough]

For different reasons maybe, and Mosley didn't want federal, he just liked to call it that to be Britain's own little leader. As for Farage, phew, for a guy so against it he accepts the funds fromtheEuropean Parliament readily enough. Do you need more evidence for a scoundrel? I don't, guy's a s**t and would sell his followers the moment the price is right. No, thanks.

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It could be worse Ambler.
We once had a finance minister who - when asked during a radio show where kids could ask her questions - failed to give an answer to "what is the square root of 64".

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She sounds incredibly confused.
Knowing little else about the woman, I do wonder how she managed to become her party's figurehead?

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She lost me, admittedly, when she said the Queen should live in a council house. This is just staggering what has happened today but somehow unsurprising.

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Erica Ambler wrote:

British election coming up and Natalie Bennett, the leader of the Green Party, has shown she is unfit for office. Take a listen to this toe-curling interview:

http://www.lbc.co.uk/incredibly-awkward-interview-with-natalie-bennett-105384

Best bit for me was the interviewer feigning sympathy for her alleged cold.

At least your pinkos are asked how they intend to pay for the deluge of Free Shit. Here they're simply given free kicks by a sympathetic press.

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Hilly KCMG wrote:

She lost me, admittedly, when she said the Queen should live in a council house. This is just staggering what has happened today but somehow unsurprising.

The Green Party are socialist and liberal scum.

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To be fair to our own Greens, they usually make sure they have their numbers ready when they are set to meet the press. Mostly because they know from experience that this is where the attacks are likely to come from.

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Erica Ambler wrote:

CJB wrote:

At least your pinkos.

Hey, Natalie's one of yours. No idea how she washed up in the UK. All this reminds me of another much trumpeted victory for right-thinking women everywhere:



I think an Aussie may have been involved in that delightful bit of wrong-footing as well...

On the one hand I deem Page 3 to be almost ridiculously archaic.

On the other hand, it is an absurd target for any serious "feminist" campaign. Just let it get swept away into irrelevance along with the rest of print media.

It's a troubling trend that most any contemporary (supposedly) feminist campaign that gets any sort of media exposure invariably focuses on token causes that will do little to improve the day to day lives of actual women.

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I personally have far greater issue with all Tabloid's general obsessions with banal gossip and invasions of privacy (fuck Ant and Dec's behind the scenes Celebrity Survivor anecdotes)..... Luckily for me I have that apparently rare ability (unique perhaps) to choose not to patronise those papers in any way.

Ironically the trivial achievement of which this woman is clearly so proud is brought on the back of a concept far more dangerous and downright insidious than any  progress she perceives to have made...the first steps she says... another recruit for the thought police.

You must conform or you will be Exterminated.