No Time to Die (2020)

M:I has effectively stolen some of Bond's thunder due to EON's dropping the ball. At this point they could do very well by just saying f*** it, and handing the reins over to Vic Armstrong to just do both units because the damn thing would be made competently and be done on budget and on time.

There may have been many problems during TND but Spottiswoode pulled it off. As the years go by it remains the last tightly cut and plotted film in the series and that is something the films are in DIRE NEED of.

Hmmm still disagree about Severine.

McQuarrie is very good with the genre and I would probably enjoy his efforts were he to write/direct, but he'd have to really up the bizarre, culture and sex to make sure it stands apart from M:I.

Bond 25 has wrapped in Jamaica. Mustn't feature all that much.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BxSMOBhgmDS/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

I agree TND is really tightly edited.

Also has that awesome "I'm just a professional doing a job" "Me too" scene.

Apart in Casino Royale, no such scene matches that in Craig all last three films.

Not really sure there's one in CR, either, to be honest.

Fukunaga has said told the Japanese press that he wanted to explore the Madeleine character in Bond 25 because he knew only a little about her in Spectre.

https://hmssweblog.wordpress.com/2019/05/12/bond-25-director-says-he-wants-to-explore-swann-character/?fbclid=IwAR1cnKhE2HP0vCo_VNVFdN0Un6B5AbKRvluHVGUPyFP0D7YZmw7kKo-fMSY

It's not that we knew little about her in SP, but that is was inconsistent and contrived. She had no reason to get involved in the story, nor did it ever work. It was just forced in to give Bond a shag, which also happens randomly. Fukunaga must be the only person in the world who actually wants to know more about a character even Bond himself didn't care enough to keep around in London.

marketto007 wrote:

Waiting to see the first photos of Lashana on location.

Here ya go! Minor spoilers but nothing too major.

https://trib.al/xoiOHwl

No script, so I wrote one with my new Staedtler fineliner pencil.

BLACK CHICK: Wha yuh name? A long time mi nuh see yuh (Subtitle Caption: What's your name? Long time no see)

BOND: Bond....James Bond

They shag.

DC is pleased he has another job already lined up it seems.
Or has negotiated out of the film.
Or has found a way to play even less of the character via yet another new rewrite.

bitchcraft wrote:

No script, so I wrote one with my new Staedtler fineliner pencil.

BLACK CHICK: Wha yuh name? A long time mi nuh see yuh (Subtitle Caption: What's your name? Long time no see)

BOND: Bond....James Bond

They shag.

BLACK CHICK dies.

BOND pouts.

M [JUDI DENCH] turns up.

M [JUDI DENCH]: How many is that now, James? Can't you just be good at your job so they stop calling me back to chastise you?

BOND: *mumbles*.

HGTB wrote:

DC is pleased he has another job already lined up it seems.

Doubtful.

HGTB wrote:

Or has negotiated out of the film.

Hopefully.

HGTB wrote:

Or has found a way to play even less of the character via yet another new rewrite.

Probably.

Mr. Kiss Kiss Bang Bang wrote:

Bond 25 has wrapped in Jamaica. Mustn't feature all that much.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BxSMOBhgmDS/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Agreed. Which makes me wonder where all the action is supposed to take place.

We know Matera features the pre-credits sequence. And the Norway shoot filmed a flashback scene. So where else is the movie supposed to take place? Jamaica is done and we haven't seen much in the way of action other than Bond driving and Bond holding a gun. Has anyone actually seen any action sequences being filmed?

I have tried to find any sort of confirmation that EON is going back to Norway and haven't seen a definitive statement one way or the other. Obviously there's more to Norway than ski slopes so there's plenty of good locations they could use that wouldn't involve an arctic theme, but I think it's safe to say at this point they aren't planning on filming any snow sequences unless they push it back to October or November.

At the press conference Ana was asked where she would be filming next, she looked over at Harris and Seydoux and they both shook their heads in the negative (they were unable to help her). No one had a clue. On Cary's Instagram account, he mentions being done in Jamaica, but leaves it up in the air as to where they are going next.

I've been following Bond meticulously for 36 years and I've never seen a Bond production approaching such a level of disarray and confusion mostly because I don't think it has ever happened before. SPECTRE had its problems with script, but most everything else about the film was known. You could argue with the results, but I never believed that Mendes didn't have a plan. I truly believe almost everyone on board this thing is unsure of where it is going to take them; it lacks direction and that's not a reflection on Cary, but it is a reflection of my concern that in the end he's going to be left holding the bag if the project fails. He'll be the last man standing. They've gone with a director they can push around; not a director with enough clout to stand up to some of these problems. You think Nolan would wing it? Most big name directors wouldn't put up with these shenanigans but Cary doesn't have the track record to say "No" to EON and impose his will.

Blunt Instrument wrote:

A little speculation on how Bond 25 might play out, if I may ...

Bond and Madeline are enjoying the quiet life in Jamaica, but this is shattered when their home is attacked by mysterious assailants and she is killed. Bond gives chase and offs them (all this could possibly be the pre-credits action sequence). Leiter attends Madeline's funeral and raises the possibility of Bond assisting with the search for the kidnapped scientist and he readily agrees, glad of something to take his mind off his grief. The scientist's kidnapper turns out to be Malek's villain, who wanted the scientist's help with his hi-tech weapon. Bringing the plot full circle, Malek will also turn out to be a SPECTRE operative who had Madeline killed on Blofeld's orders, in revenge for the foiling of his scheme in SPECTRE. Bond then kills Malek (probably).      

It's also possible we'll be thrown a curveball and Madeline doesn't die at all. I think it's fair to say all bets are off and this film could go in any number of directions.

Ideally, Ana would be the main Bond Girl. She has all the prerequisites. I saw her in Blade Runner:2049, so when she was announced for BOND 25 I immediately recognized her and knew she could be great. But if they bring her on and kill off Madeline, I think you're looking at QOS all over again. Won't be enough time to build up the relationship and it would feel wrong anyway.

Gravity's Silhouette wrote:

Mr. Kiss Kiss Bang Bang wrote:

Bond 25 has wrapped in Jamaica. Mustn't feature all that much.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BxSMOBhgmDS/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Agreed. Which makes me wonder where all the action is supposed to take place.

We know Matera features the pre-credits sequence. And the Norway shoot filmed a flashback scene. So where else is the movie supposed to take place? Jamaica is done and we haven't seen much in the way of action other than Bond driving and Bond holding a gun. Has anyone actually seen any action sequences being filmed?

I have tried to find any sort of confirmation that EON is going back to Norway and haven't seen a definitive statement one way or the other. Obviously there's more to Norway than ski slopes so there's plenty of good locations they could use that wouldn't involve an arctic theme, but I think it's safe to say at this point they aren't planning on filming any snow sequences unless they push it back to October or November.

At the press conference Ana was asked where she would be filming next, she looked over at Harris and Seydoux and they both shook their heads in the negative (they were unable to help her). No one had a clue. On Cary's Instagram account, he mentions being done in Jamaica, but leaves it up in the air as to where they are going next.

I've been following Bond meticulously for 36 years and I've never seen a Bond production approaching such a level of disarray and confusion mostly because I don't think it has ever happened before. SPECTRE had its problems with script, but most everything else about the film was known. You could argue with the results, but I never believed that Mendes didn't have a plan. I truly believe almost everyone on board this thing is unsure of where it is going to take them; it lacks direction and that's not a reflection on Cary, but it is a reflection of my concern that in the end he's going to be left holding the bag if the project fails. He'll be the last man standing. They've gone with a director they can push around; not a director with enough clout to stand up to some of these problems. You think Nolan would wing it? Most big name directors wouldn't put up with these shenanigans but Cary doesn't have the track record to say "No" to EON and impose his will.

That's very true. I guess much of the action will be staged in London and be about Bond becoming Bond again? Maybe he visits the graves of Vesper and M while burying Madeleine. Fit in a pout or two and the Craig fanboys will be creaming themselves. Doesn't get more Bondian than that.

Ana looking to Harris and Seydoux could be confirming what she can or can't say about the script. But her exchange with Cary about what she should start doing to prep for the role, and Cary' response ("just wing it") doesn't incite confidence. Not to mention that there is probably no solid script anyway. Bond 25 is the first of many things: first American director, first time Leiter has been played by the same actor a third time, and the first time the actors will improvise their dialogue.

Grav wrote:

Ideally, Ana would be the main Bond Girl. She has all the prerequisites.

Like Seydoux, Ana is perfect Bond girl material. But I have no faith in Eon right now considering that Vesper, Solange, Camille (to an extent), Lucia and Madeleine have all been so disappointing. Even Severine and Fields for their lack of screen time.

In other news, Bond 25 production cancelled? Would have been great news were it not published by The Sun:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/9067706/james-bond-filming-cancelled-daniel-craig-ankle/amp/?fbclid=IwAR2g_tbG1cg0nxSlSzF98tfLM20gor561s4BtiN8QxzKfELGNDkSoOUGV5k

EDIT: Variety have posted about it too. They cite The Sun, but Variety is supposed to be reputable, no?

https://variety.com/2019/film/news/james-bond-25-suspends-shooting-daniel-craig-injury-1203214273/?fbclid=IwAR0DV7Ue57jaflZA9cYltJaD927KXQ-0QnbqpUj-1FCmJwfVFTgz38MPpE8

James Bond is back!

Sorry James Bond is on his back!

Cancel the crap movie, the guy never set the bar up to the promise of CR.

Recast the whole film, rewrite, reboot, everything. Make Bond Mr Kiss Kiss Bang Bang again.

Stamper wrote:

Recast the whole film, rewrite, reboot, everything.

Yep. Especially after this:

Craig and Fukunaga having a tense chat on set before his injury:







https://www.mirror.co.uk/film/daniel-craig-heated-chat-shortly-15828018.amp?fbclid=IwAR0lsqFpATAdLFHEjDi-vZ6wmqwqvtR6kfl6RWelOuH-bC9LLczeKLvzbYA

Stamper wrote:

Make Bond Mr Kiss Kiss Bang Bang

I'm flattered.  

Should we be worried about the production status judging by these photos?

Maybe not just these photos, but everything else leading up to and surrounding these photos, including an injury.

Craig could be rehearsing with Cary for all we know.

The problem is the balance of power. When you're a hired director, paid 10x less than the star who's been doing this for 13 years, you have zero authority over what the star will say.

He doesn't care about you because you're paid peanuts. Was the director more paid than the star, trust me, things wouldn't go that tense.

Yeah, I get the impression that Cary's been hired precisely because he can be told what to do. I would speculate that EON thought they'd better hire someone 'malleable' after Danny Boyle walked when he couldn't do what he wanted.

Blunt Instrument wrote:

that EON thought they'd better hire someone 'malleable' after Danny Boyle walked when he couldn't do what he wanted.    

It's a weird one. One surmises that Danny Boyle surely put forward all of his revolutionary ideas (anything from the rumoured Russian villain that was supposedly too political for Bond to wanting to kill off 007) when he pitched his storyline to Babs and co. How there were creative differences is beyond me, especially after shelving the Purvis and Wade outline in favour of Boyle's vision.

Bond 25

Produced by: Daniel Craig
Directed by: Daniel Craig
Written by: Daniel Craig
Screenplay by: Daniel Craig
Starring: Daniel Craig
Title song by: Daniel Craig

Daniel Craig will return in Bond 26.

bitchcraft wrote:

Title song by: Daniel Craig

Couldn't be any worse than Writing's On The Wall ...

Mr. Kiss Kiss Bang Bang wrote:

It's a weird one. One surmises that Danny Boyle surely put forward all of his revolutionary ideas (anything from the rumoured Russian villain that was supposedly too political for Bond to wanting to kill off 007) when he pitched his storyline to Babs and co. How there were creative differences is beyond me, especially after shelving the Purvis and Wade outline in favour of Boyle's vision.

I never believed Boyle was all in and I said so in this thread. So I wasn't shocked when he was let go (or quit). Some of the comments he made in the months leading up to the separation made it seem to me that maybe EON announced his participation before he was ready to commit, and then he felt locked in once he was announced. People sometimes feel obligated to one another because the other one doesn't want to make the first move to end it until the aggravation becomes too much.

Cary doesn't have the track record with movies like this. He's not a name director yet, though I'd heard of him when he was hired and his hiring was at least, at one point, a draw for me. I feel bad for him in a way, because I could see this coming. I'd hoped better results for him but it's not meant to be. This film is going to tank. But when it does Cary will escape relatively unscathed. After all, even Fincher went on to bigger things after Alien3.

bitchcraft wrote:

Bond 25

Produced by: Daniel Craig
Directed by: Daniel Craig
Written by: Daniel Craig
Screenplay by: Daniel Craig
Starring: Daniel Craig
Title song by: Daniel Craig

Daniel Craig will return in Bond 26.

Nude stand-in/body double for Seydoux/Lynch/Armas' sex scenes: Barbara Broccoli.

Mr. Kiss Kiss Bang Bang wrote:

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First two pix are debatable. The third one, though, seals the deal. If I had any doubt about the first two, the third pic erases it.

There's also this last pic...doesn't look like they fell out...even if he did fall down after....

Gravity's Silhouette wrote:

Mr. Kiss Kiss Bang Bang wrote:

It's a weird one. One surmises that Danny Boyle surely put forward all of his revolutionary ideas (anything from the rumoured Russian villain that was supposedly too political for Bond to wanting to kill off 007) when he pitched his storyline to Babs and co. How there were creative differences is beyond me, especially after shelving the Purvis and Wade outline in favour of Boyle's vision.

I never believed Boyle was all in and I said so in this thread. So I wasn't shocked when he was let go (or quit). Some of the comments he made in the months leading up to the separation made it seem to me that maybe EON announced his participation before he was ready to commit, and then he felt locked in once he was announced. People sometimes feel obligated to one another because the other one doesn't want to make the first move to end it until the aggravation becomes too much.

Cary doesn't have the track record with movies like this. He's not a name director yet, though I'd heard of him when he was hired and his hiring was at least, at one point, a draw for me. I feel bad for him in a way, because I could see this coming. I'd hoped better results for him but it's not meant to be. This film is going to tank. But when it does Cary will escape relatively unscathed. After all, even Fincher went on to bigger things after Alien3.

Interesting perspective. Maybe Eon did jump the gun in announcing his involvement, but he seemed too into it going by interviews. The fact he was working on it while in production/post production on another film shows more than simple eagerness. Anyway, hopefully a book will be made about what a colossal fuck up this production has become. It's probably going to be more engrossing than the final film.

I had no idea who Cary was, though I had seen Jane Eyre and thought it was a forgettable adaptation. Also, that he worked on Maniac that many were disappointed by. So, wasn't too thrilled by his announcement but as someone said earlier, he might be a malleable director-- if he keeps his apparent temper in check.

Fincher may have gone onto better things... But did Marc Forster after Quantum of Solace?