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| Subject: 5 Ideas for the New, More Complex James Bond Promised by Sam Mendes Tue May 08, 2012 10:12 pm | |
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- 5 Ideas for the New, More Complex James Bond Promised by Sam Mendes
by Brian Clark, May 4, 2012 12:00 PM
Director Sam Mendes recently said that his James Bond installment, Skyfall will be more faithful to the complex, often-conflicted character in Ian Fleming's novels. Granted, the series has been headed this way ever since Daniel Craig took over, but to date, there's still quite a bit of disparity between the Bond in Fleming's novels and the one we see on screen. At a news conference in Istanbul, Mendes said that Craig had been reading Ian Fleming novels in preparation for the new film, and went on to elaborate a bit about the spirit of the novels he's hoping to bring to the new film. He specifically points to the fact that Fleming's last novels infuse bond with a "combination of lassitude, boredom, depression, difficulty with what he's chosen to do for a living, which is to kill. That makes him a much more interesting character."
Props to Mendes here. His assessment is eloquent and totally dead-on (although the idea that Bond might enjoy Heineken is sadly not). However, in addition to all that grit and conflict, Fleming's Bond had some pretty great quirks to go with his brooding. So, in case the series continues to consult the books, I humbly present five characteristics of Bond from the novels which, if incorporated into the films, would in turn surprise, offend, amuse and even warm the hearts of all viewers accustomed to the invincible, one-liner-spewing Playboy that Sean Connery immortalized.
1. Bond is sometimes kind of feminist! In the movies as well as the books, women love sleeping with James Bond, but I doubt his mailbox is overflowing with invitations to feminist rallies. However, while it may fall short of the strict academic definition of the word, this paragraph about Bond's initial impressions of Domino in Thunderball still goes well beyond the safe, P.C. psuedo-feminism usually espoused in mainstream movies.
"'Whore', 'tart', 'prostitute' were not words Bond used about women unless they were professional streetwalkers or the inmates of a Brothel, and when Harling, the Commissioner of Police, and Pitman, Chief of Immigration and Customs, had described her as an 'Italian tart' Bond had reserved judgment. Now he knew he had been right. This was an independent, a girl of authority and character. She might like the rich, gay life, but so far as Bond was concerned, that was the right kind of girl. She might sleep with men, obviously did, but it would be on her terms and not on theirs."
2. Okay, Bond still has some women problems. In fairness, I should add that immediately after the preceding paragraph, Bond starts talking about women drivers:
"Women are often meticulous and safe drivers, but they are very seldom first-class. In general Bond regarded them as a mild hazard and he always gave them plenty of road and was ready for the unpredictable. Four women in a car he regarded as the highest potential danger, and two women nearly as lethal."
He goes on for a couple paragraphs about how women talk too much while driving, and how they always look at each other's faces instead of the road and... you get the idea.
3. James Bond's most powerful enemy is probably heart disease. Sure, Bond drinks a lot, eats well and sometimes even smokes in the films. But in the novels, Bond drinks to the point of awful hangovers, eats almost nothing but red meat, bacon and eggs and smokes sixty cigarettes a day. There's an amusing riff on his habits in Thunderball when M sends Bond to a health clinic where he eats only organic vegetables and refrains from drinking liquor or coffee and smoking. (Spoiler: This doesn't last). If Mad Men is any indication, our health-obsessed culture can't get enough of seeing people on screen indulge in the habits that we're ashamed of, so let's go ahead and bring Bond back to his excessive roots. In fact, I think I'd find him even more impressive if I watched him climb buildings and jump out of helicopters after a rare steak, four double whiskeys and a pack of cigarettes.
4. James Bond prefers Texas to the rest of America. In Skyfall, Bond apparently gets to meet girls and do crazy stunts in London, Scotland, Turkey and China. Maybe in the next movie, they should send him to Texas and let him team up with the finest that America has to offer. At least, the finest according to Bond in Casino Royale. To wit:
"It turned out that Leiter was from Texas. While he talked about his job with the Joint Intelligence Staff of N A T O and the difficulty of maintaining security in the organization where so many nationalities were represented, Bond reflected that good Americans were fine people and that most of them seemed to come from Texas."
5. Bond loves trains. For whatever reason, this line in Live and Let Die always warms my heart. Keep in mind, paragraph comes after Bond has fought his way through the Harlem underworld, risked death multiple times and, at the moment, fears he could be killed at any moment. I'd love to see a thirty second shot of Bond just staring out a train window, wide-eyed with joy like a child on Christmas Day.
"Bond turned to the window and watched the pretty clapboard houses slip by as they approached Trenton. He loved trains and he looked forward with excitement to the rest of the journey." http://twitchfilm.com/news/2012/05/5-ideas-for-the-new-more-complex-james-bond-promised-by-sam-mendes.php |
| | | Toppers 'R'
Posts : 285 Member Since : 2011-03-14 Location : Britannia
| Subject: Re: 5 Ideas for the New, More Complex James Bond Promised by Sam Mendes Tue May 08, 2012 11:20 pm | |
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- 3. James Bond's most powerful enemy is probably heart disease.
Sure, Bond drinks a lot, eats well and sometimes even smokes in the films. But in the novels, Bond drinks to the point of awful hangovers, eats almost nothing but red meat, bacon and eggs and smokes sixty cigarettes a day. There's an amusing riff on his habits in Thunderball when M sends Bond to a health clinic where he eats only organic vegetables and refrains from drinking liquor or coffee and smoking. (Spoiler: This doesn't last). If Mad Men is any indication, our health-obsessed culture can't get enough of seeing people on screen indulge in the habits that we're ashamed of, so let's go ahead and bring Bond back to his excessive roots. In fact, I think I'd find him even more impressive if I watched him climb buildings and jump out of helicopters after a rare steak, four double whiskeys and a pack of cigarettes. I'm all for this. To me, Bond indulging in his luxuries is part of what he's all about. They need to bring that back to forefront. The last one would be nice to see as well. |
| | | bondfan06 'R'
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| Subject: Re: 5 Ideas for the New, More Complex James Bond Promised by Sam Mendes Tue May 08, 2012 11:56 pm | |
| I'm happy to learn that Craig is reading the novels and hopefully he can exemplify these complex qualities in Skyfall. |
| | | CJB 00 Agent
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| Subject: Re: 5 Ideas for the New, More Complex James Bond Promised by Sam Mendes Wed May 09, 2012 12:27 am | |
| Give the bloke a pack o' smokes, I say. |
| | | CJB 00 Agent
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| Subject: Re: 5 Ideas for the New, More Complex James Bond Promised by Sam Mendes Wed May 09, 2012 12:32 am | |
| By the way, I love the avatar, Sharky. It really puts the Chicago in the Chicago School of Economics.
Also I imagine Milton is about to shoot some hippies. |
| | | Prisoner Monkeys Potential 00 Agent
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| Subject: Re: 5 Ideas for the New, More Complex James Bond Promised by Sam Mendes Wed May 09, 2012 2:41 am | |
| - Toppers wrote:
- I'm all for this. To me, Bond indulging in his luxuries is part of what he's all about. They need to bring that back to forefront.
Didn't NSNA do that? Bond was sent to Shrublands because his lifestyle was affecting his body. I don't remember it being detailed in TB, but I just recall Connery's line "I did lost four pounds, and God knows how many free radicals.", which was quite possibly one of the best he was ever give during his time as Bond. |
| | | Mr. Kiss Kiss Bang Bang 00 Agent
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| Subject: Re: 5 Ideas for the New, More Complex James Bond Promised by Sam Mendes Wed May 09, 2012 7:23 am | |
| I don't think he's talking about going to Shrublands, rather, to actually drink, smoke and enjoy fine food. |
| | | CJB 00 Agent
Posts : 5540 Member Since : 2011-03-14 Location : 'Straya
| Subject: Re: 5 Ideas for the New, More Complex James Bond Promised by Sam Mendes Wed May 09, 2012 7:44 am | |
| - FieldsMan wrote:
- I don't think he's talking about going to Shrublands, rather, to actually drink, smoke and enjoy fine food.
And bitches. Don't forget all them bitches. |
| | | lachesis Head of Station
Posts : 1588 Member Since : 2011-09-19 Location : Nottingahm, UK
| Subject: Re: 5 Ideas for the New, More Complex James Bond Promised by Sam Mendes Wed May 09, 2012 1:15 pm | |
| - Sharky wrote:
- He specifically points to the fact that Fleming's last novels infuse bond with a "combination of lassitude, boredom, depression, difficulty with what he's chosen to do for a living, which is to kill. That makes him a much more interesting character."
I must confess a personal concern here, 'You Only Live Twice' and 'Man with the Golden Gun' are my least favourite/interesting novels, but critically this is a mature and seasoned Bond after a long and dangerous career his feelings are earned over time and endeavour. Cherry picking themes out of context and without having earned an appropriate reaction is a large part of what made the film Casino Royale less enjoyable for me. That said its all about balance and for now I think Mendes is smart enough to not overegg it. The other points I do applaud however. |
| | | Perilagu Khan 00 Agent
Posts : 5842 Member Since : 2011-03-21 Location : The high plains
| Subject: Re: 5 Ideas for the New, More Complex James Bond Promised by Sam Mendes Wed May 09, 2012 5:37 pm | |
| Not a bad article, actually. I'm surprised it made it into print. |
| | | Control 00 Agent
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| Subject: Re: 5 Ideas for the New, More Complex James Bond Promised by Sam Mendes Thu May 10, 2012 2:31 pm | |
| - CJB wrote:
- FieldsMan wrote:
- I don't think he's talking about going to Shrublands, rather, to actually drink, smoke and enjoy fine food.
And bitches.
Don't forget all them bitches. Amen. Interesting article. RIP Fleming's Bond. |
| | | jet set willy 'R'
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| Subject: Re: 5 Ideas for the New, More Complex James Bond Promised by Sam Mendes Fri May 11, 2012 6:46 am | |
| - Perilagu Khan wrote:
- Not a bad article, actually. I'm surprised it made it into print.
I don't think its made it to print. Just an online blog by the looks of it. But agree with what you said. A good article. And I'm pleased to hear Mendes and Craig both focused on the novels as inspiration, although I'm still somewhat sceptical. After all, we heard similar noises from Craig and Forster last time round on QoS. |
| | | Makeshift Python 00 Agent
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| Subject: Re: 5 Ideas for the New, More Complex James Bond Promised by Sam Mendes Fri May 11, 2012 7:01 am | |
| - jet set willy wrote:
- Perilagu Khan wrote:
- Not a bad article, actually. I'm surprised it made it into print.
I don't think its made it to print. Just an online blog by the looks of it.
But agree with what you said. A good article. And I'm pleased to hear Mendes and Craig both focused on the novels as inspiration, although I'm still somewhat sceptical. After all, we heard similar noises from Craig and Forster last time round on QoS. I do remember Forster aping Terence Young and Alfred Hitchcock. When did he make similar noises about Fleming? |
| | | Napoleon Solo 'R'
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| Subject: Re: 5 Ideas for the New, More Complex James Bond Promised by Sam Mendes Fri May 11, 2012 4:04 pm | |
| - jet set willy wrote:
- Perilagu Khan wrote:
- Not a bad article, actually. I'm surprised it made it into print.
I don't think its made it to print. Just an online blog by the looks of it.
But agree with what you said. A good article. And I'm pleased to hear Mendes and Craig both focused on the novels as inspiration, although I'm still somewhat sceptical. After all, we heard similar noises from Craig and Forster last time round on QoS. Noted before, but Craig said four years ago that Fleming titles don't mean anything. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/3096758/Daniel-Craig-Bond-film-name-Quantum-of-Solace-was-my-idea.html //"As soon as it came out, people were saying, 'Ooh, it sounds like Harry Potter.' No, it's Quantum of Solace. I was saying, 'It's a Bond title! The name of a Bond film is not about anything. Live And Let Die? Octopussy? What does it mean? It means very little. We've got nothing to worry about."// |
| | | trevanian Head of Station
Posts : 1959 Member Since : 2011-03-15 Location : Pac NW
| Subject: Re: 5 Ideas for the New, More Complex James Bond Promised by Sam Mendes Fri May 11, 2012 4:05 pm | |
| - lachesis wrote:
- Sharky wrote:
- He specifically points to the fact that Fleming's last novels infuse bond with a "combination of lassitude, boredom, depression, difficulty with what he's chosen to do for a living, which is to kill. That makes him a much more interesting character."
I must confess a personal concern here, 'You Only Live Twice' and 'Man with the Golden Gun' are my least favourite/interesting novels, but critically this is a mature and seasoned Bond after a long and dangerous career his feelings are earned over time and endeavour. Cherry picking themes out of context and without having earned an appropriate reaction is a large part of what made the film Casino Royale less enjoyable for me. That said its all about balance and for now I think Mendes is smart enough to not overegg it.
The other points I do applaud however. Except for your YOLT remark, yep, yep, yep. |
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