IMF president accussed of rape

Well, a lot of posters in this thread look pretty damn stupid now. (I can say that as a stupidwhiteman.)

As the wonderful Miss Gusoff sang so sweetly, 'Girls just wanna have funds'.

Just another shady immigrant.

Ed Tom Kowalsky wrote:

Just another shady immigrant.

One who can pay his own way, though.

"There's money to be made..."
http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/07/02/new.york.dsk/index.html?hpt=hp_t1


I still want to see all of those maids standing outside of the courthouse trying to defend this one. If it is all true, it's sad that the guy lost his entire career because of some false accusations and a media lynching.

America: guilty until proven innocent.

I read a rather complete article on the matter in Saturday's National Post as well as the CNN piece above and based on both pieces, despite the girl being a shady character, there is still the matter of him quite possibly being guilty of rape.
The case might very well be tossed due to "circumstances". Burden of proof is on the prosecution and the girl's less than stellar deportment post incident, might be enough to cast reasonable doubt.

However he still may be quite guilty of "criminal sexual assualt"

That's the way it looks to me. I am not ready to proclaim his innocense.

Mr. Brown wrote:

Ed Tom Kowalsky wrote:

Just another shady immigrant.

One who can pay his own way, though.

I'm referring to the ho'.

Ed Tom Kowalsky wrote:

Mr. Brown wrote:

Ed Tom Kowalsky wrote:

Just another shady immigrant.

One who can pay his own way, though.

I'm referring to the ho'.

Oh, ok.

I agree, then.

The more I read on this matter, the more this guy looks like the world's biggest scumbag.
If I owned a department store and he walked through the lingerie section, I'd have the staff check the mannequins for paw marks.
He's an entitled elitist dick....and he wants to be President of France. Oi veh.

When he is found guilty, he will understand the word rape when he enters prison. I hope he prepares himself.

Sounds like the DA is about to drop the charges against DSK.

Ed Tom Kowalsky wrote:

Sounds like the DA is about to drop the charges against DSK.

That sucks. The French are so depraved, they might just elect him President.
He might play the victim of U.S. justice card, like poor Roman Polanski. Oi veh.


'Its a madhouse! It's a madhouse!" Charlton Heston, Planet of the Apes.

That's exactly what he'll do, tiffy. And I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he topples Sarko.

Ed Tom Kowalsky wrote:

That's exactly what he'll do, tiffy. And I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he topples Sarko.

I fear you may be right Khanners!
Surrounded by apes like DSK, Chuck said it best.



DSK could have been cast as gorilla/chimp hybrid in Planet of the Apes.

Willard Whyte wrote:

When he is found guilty, he will understand the word rape when he enters prison. I hope he prepares himself.

Charges against Dominique Strauss-Kahn to be dropped

Dominique Strauss-Kahn could fly home to France a free man on Tuesday after prosecutors in New York dropped their case against him for the alleged sexual attack of a hotel maid.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/dominique-strauss-kahn/8716944/Charges-against-Dominique-Strauss-Kahn-to-be-dropped.html

"Francois Hollande, who replaced Mr Strauss-Kahn as frontrunner for the French Socialists’ presidential candidacy, said on Mondayday that his rival could make a swift return to domestic politics.
"Whatever has been said, a man with the abilities of Dominique Strauss-Kahn can be useful to his country in the months and years to come," Mr Hollande told Frenh radio."



He's a socialist. How useful can he be - unless the race is on to be the first economy to officially collaspe under the crushing weight of sovereign debt and government spending.

Avarice wrote:

Willard Whyte wrote:

When he is found guilty, he will understand the word rape when he enters prison. I hope he prepares himself.

Charges against Dominique Strauss-Kahn to be dropped

Dominique Strauss-Kahn could fly home to France a free man on Tuesday after prosecutors in New York dropped their case against him for the alleged sexual attack of a hotel maid.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/dominique-strauss-kahn/8716944/Charges-against-Dominique-Strauss-Kahn-to-be-dropped.html

What a lucky guy, he has been saved from a pound me in the ass prison.

Avarice wrote:

Willard Whyte wrote:

When he is found guilty, he will understand the word rape when he enters prison. I hope he prepares himself.

Charges against Dominique Strauss-Kahn to be dropped

Dominique Strauss-Kahn could fly home to France a free man on Tuesday after prosecutors in New York dropped their case against him for the alleged sexual attack of a hotel maid.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/dominique-strauss-kahn/8716944/Charges-against-Dominique-Strauss-Kahn-to-be-dropped.html

I'm normally pro-prosecution in most cases...I rarely find myself rooting for a defense team to win, because normally I believe the defense has a guilty client. This is a tough one because DSK is probably a very slimy, disreputable individual, but we can't prosecute and put people in prison simply because we don't like them. This is a "win" for the system, not that I care about DSK all that much, but because a woman that cries "Rape!" even once and admits to having lied about it can never be trusted again with the same accusation, not to mention some other very odd circumstances in this case where she lied.

So, reluctantly, I am with the defense on this one: the man should go free.

I have no problem with he prosecution dropping the case if they think that they can't make it stick but what is disconcerting about this case is that the defence has done absolutely nothing to refute the womans claims of being sexually assaulted by the IMF toad.
Yes the burden is on the prosecution to make the case but nothing that has been revealed has countered any of the woman's testimony. Seems that if there was a case to prosecute at all, its still there. All we have learned is that the woman wasn't a nun and not above a little profiteering. Doesn't mean she wasn't raped. DSK hasn't even come close to demonstrating that he might have been set-up. All we have seen is the woman's character dimished.
Again doesn't mean she wasn't raped.
He can return to France now, maybe hang out with Polanski and swap stories.
At least he got to spend some time in Rikers while he was here. There is that.
:idea: Great film idea.Brazenly base a character on DSK. ie A boorish, troll like, French diplomat is accused of rape and tries to wriggle out of it. Our hero unravels a larger conspiracy of intrigue and cover-up, and ends up exposing much corruption and villainy, ultimately putting the animal down. A Ludlum type thriller.

tiffanywint wrote:

I have no problem with he prosecution dropping the case if they think that they can't make it stick but what is disconcerting about this case is that the defence has done absolutely nothing to refute the womans claims of being sexually assaulted by the IMF toad.

Well, the defense came right out and claimed it was a consensual sex act (which they probably had to do to explain why his dna would be found at the scene). That sort of resolved at least one lingering question I would have had about the case, because I found it unlikely that a "toad" like DSK is going to find a maid who is conveniently willing to pull up her skirt and let the man pound home on the spur of the moment, right then and there in the hotel room. But then it began to leak to several papers that the prosecution had credible allegations that the maid had, in the past, offered some guests "extra" services that weren't listed on the hotel's menu.

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Yes the burden is on the prosecution to make the case but nothing that has been revealed has countered any of the woman's testimony. Seems that if there was a case to prosecute at all, its still there. All we have learned is that the woman wasn't a nun and not above a little profiteering. Doesn't mean she wasn't raped. DSK hasn't even come close to demonstrating that he might have been set-up. All we have seen is the woman's character dimished.

Well, the apparently taped conversation she had with an inmate boy/friend out in Arizona was enough to get the prosecution wondering what she was really in this for. There was a discussion of money on the tape (according to sources) in some context which I would find unsettling considering she'd just been brutally raped. I don't get much sense from her that she's in this more for the justice than for the money. She could have removed all doubt and made a statement that she would not seek a civil suit against DSK, and that might've forced the D.A. to take a second or third look at her claim, but she's already filed a civil suit before the criminal charges even got dropped.

I guess at this point the only thing that still bugs me is: why did he leave the hotel so fast? That's the way it's been reported in the media. However, a few things are possible: he was already running late when he had sex with her, and that just put him further behind schedule....or it's possible he was never in a hurry to begin with and it has been reported wrong...or he arranged to have sex with her, found out he had no money, and then decided to consciously stiff her anyway, leading to her getting mad at him...or it's possible he had consensual sex with her knowing all along he was never going to pay this woman and he thought it beneath himself to have to pay a West African illegal immigrant and expected she'd probably never complain to the police because she'd be implicating herself as a prostitute.

But, I guess I just don't understand why she would lie about things that she didn't need to lie about. And, most importantly, we now know she lied about being gang raped in the past as a way to get her application for asylum in this country approved, and so we see she was willing to advance a false rape accusation in order to get something meaningful in return. Once a woman has falsely claimed rape, I'm sorry, but she loses all credibility. You simply cannot lie about such a thing. It is too important.

@Gravity's Silhouette.



You do make a good case for the prosecution not being confident about pursuing this case. It looks like it would have be real hard to make it stick as Toadman would mount an aggressive defence. At the very least it seems, he stiffed her on payment for services rendered but that's her problem. Not like she can take that to court.

However there is still every chance that he did indeed rape her. He might have even calculated that he could probably get away with it.

Its not like he managed to clear his name.

This case reminds me of the Kobe Bryant case of a few years ago. I can't remember how that was resolved but it did seem like a case of a girl who wanted to get with the celebrity and benefit financially, gifts etc, hang with the guy. But some times the celeb just takes what he wants and discards the woman. Women have to be smarter when gold-digging but still rape is rape.

Its still illegal to rape either a prostitute or a good-time-Sally gold-digger.

tiffanywint wrote:

@Gravity's Silhouette.



You do make a good case for the prosecution not being confident about pursuing this case. It looks like it would have be real hard to make it stick as Toadman would mount an aggressive defence. At the very least it seems, he stiffed her on payment for services rendered but that's her problem. Not like she can take that to court.

However there is still every chance that he did indeed rape her. He might have even calculated that he could probably get away with it.

Its not like he managed to clear his name.

This case reminds me of the Kobe Bryant case of a few years ago. I can't remember how that was resolved but it did seem like a case of a girl who wanted to get with the celebrity and benefit financially, gifts etc, hang with the guy. But some times the celeb just takes what he wants and discards the woman. Women have to be smarter when gold-digging but still rape is rape.

Its still illegal to rape either a prostitute or a good-time-Sally gold-digger.

In the Kobe case it was proven that the plaintiff had lied about her sexual activity before her encounter with Bryant, and had been sexually active the night before, and I don't think it was with her boyfriend. Kobe was allowed to give a very carefully worded statement by lawyers from both side essentially saying: 'I did not mean to hurt her or disrespect her. In hindsight I can see how she might have thought I was trying to rape her.'

Translation: she told him to pull out, he didn't pull out right away because he wanted to finish, she then filed a rape charge against him. Then because he more or less admits he didn't pull out right away, he acknowledges how she could perceive that as rape while still maintaining his own innocence. He then pays her off. She accepts a settlement. Everyone goes home happy.

When athletes behave like dogs, they get in trouble (Tiger Woods) and when dumb girls get with them, the girls often end up getting more than they bargained for or less than they had hoped for.

Either way though, rape is still rape. A woman ( even a prostitute who has taken money up front) always has the right to say no or stop, no matter what the circumstances, and if the guy doesn't listen he's guilty of rape. Tough to prove though.

The reverse is true as well obviously, but realistically how often can a guy find himself in a similar situation.

In the interest of justice it might be better that IMF toad walks, if the case is too tough to prove. Either way he's been proven to be a dog. Woof woof!

What is this, he has to prove he's innocent?

Avarice wrote:

What is this, he has to prove he's innocent?

No, who said that?:scratch: The prosecution has to make the case obviously.
I'm saying that he hasn't made much of a case for his innocense, not that he has any legal burden to do so.
But unlike some falsely accused who do manage to clear their name, Toadman here could very well be guilty as charged, but we'll never know.
The situation seems to have boiled down to two disreputables, caught in a he-said she-said.
But he has been shown to be a dog, even in the best case scenario, which might help get him elected President of France.
All he has to do is play the persecuted by the moralistic Americans card. Then villify the present administration for not making the rich pay and another socialist toad ascends to power to save the people from capitalist oppression ....and climate change of course.

He gave a fascinating talk on the future of Europe yesterday, marred by large group of loud-mouthed, unthinking feminists, who see themselves fit to try to curb the free speech of a world renowned economist and politician merely because he has been accused (and never convicted) of rape. I guess innocent until proven guilty is a concept that feminists only care about when it suits them.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/09/cambridge-students-protest-dominique-strauss-khan