Problem Members

I'd rather j7 be granted permission to view this thread to see how much the odds are against him, than it to be made public or worse, deleted (if we did that, we'd be no better than Cb.n's Jim). Putting this out in the open will give James Page exactly what he wants. We'll look like a laughing stock, and the mod-post-editing thing might drive off potential members as much as j7wild's presence.

The answer is containment. Keep it within closed doors, but let the poster in question view it.

Mrs. Aural Sects wrote:

So it seems like the majority will win. Let them have what they want. It's only a matter of time before someone else in and becomes the new whipping boy... :joker:

Thankfully I doubt they'll be another for some time. Mockery and vitriol towards j7 goes back to Old MI6, as far as 2009 IIRC. It's only now that we have authority over him.

I'm sad it had to end this way. It should have been a clean kill.

Control wrote:

The idea of modifying some bozo's posts with wacky GIFs and smileys is truly hilarious.

I agree. Nothing wrong with a little horseplay to lighten the mood on the boards. I can't help but be amused by how seriously this has been taken, and the implication that because a few of you touched up a handful of his posts, we can't be certain that some saddo mod isn't just fabricating everything he writes.

HJackson wrote:

Control wrote:

The idea of modifying some bozo's posts with wacky GIFs and smileys is truly hilarious.

I agree. Nothing wrong with a little horseplay to lighten the mood on the boards. I can't help but be amused by how seriously this has been taken, and the implication that because a few of you touched up a handful of his posts, we can't be certain that some saddo mod isn't just fabricating everything he writes.

This.

It's a bit absurd how seriously this has all been taken. I appreciate that thoughtful and thorough discussion has been put into this -- I don't know of many other forums that would do this -- but come on already. Let's just ban the guy or not and get it over with. It's not like we're deliberating on whether or not to give someone the death penalty.

And if tampering with a few of some idiot's posts is really a fireable offense, well that's just a bit ridiculous. This is all being taken way too seriously.

Jack Wade wrote:

And if tampering with a few of some idiot's posts is really a fireable offense, well that's just a bit ridiculous. This is all being taken way too seriously.

They were pointless and/or racist posts, too. It's not like we've been amending his opinions on Bond, films, and politics, to make him appear more idiotic than he already is.

If it's going to get people bent out of shape, then keep him around. I don't really give a rat's ass at this point. This is insane.

HJackson wrote:

Control wrote:

The idea of modifying some bozo's posts with wacky GIFs and smileys is truly hilarious.

I agree. Nothing wrong with a little horseplay to lighten the mood on the boards. I can't help but be amused by how seriously this has been taken, and the implication that because a few of you touched up a handful of his posts, we can't be certain that some saddo mod isn't just fabricating everything he writes.

Would you like it if someone edited your post, and made it seem like you were calling yourself a c unt (as was done with j7wild), simply cuz you're not liked here? If you welcome this horseplay, perhaps it can be arranged with your posts, with no hard feelings cuz it's all in fun. Any takers?

I think I've said enough now....I see one vote in j7wild's defense, wasn't mine...I'm sure M or Mods can see the vote breakdown but I'd feel as though I'm trying to dig a hole in the surface of a pond. Pointless.

Mrs Aural Sects wrote:

Would you like it if someone edited your post, and made it seem like you were calling yourself a c unt (as was done with j7wild), simply cuz you're not liked here? If you welcome this horseplay, perhaps it can be arranged with your posts, with no hard feelings cuz it's all in fun. Any takers?

I honestly wouldn't care at all if somebody took the piss by editing a few of my posts. Especially not if one of the posts was an incredibly insensitive comment about the circumstances in which a man tragically took his own life.

Mrs Aural Sects wrote:

HJackson wrote:

Control wrote:

The idea of modifying some bozo's posts with wacky GIFs and smileys is truly hilarious.

I agree. Nothing wrong with a little horseplay to lighten the mood on the boards. I can't help but be amused by how seriously this has been taken, and the implication that because a few of you touched up a handful of his posts, we can't be certain that some saddo mod isn't just fabricating everything he writes.

Would you like it if someone edited your post, and made it seem like you were calling yourself a c unt (as was done with j7wild)

I didn't do that and didn't see it. Do we even know if it happened for sure, or are we just taking Shadow's word for it?

No worries, Mrs. Sects. JaySevz isn't going anywhere.

Control wrote:

JaySevz isn't going anywhere.

Then I don't want to be here any more, I'm sorry to say. I banned him twice, seemingly all for nothing. He hasn't learned anything since and continues to stink up the place. It's not a matter of him having views that I disagree with. Otherwise, Prisoner Monkeys, Lazenby., Harms, HJackson, and Ambler would be long gone too. The difference between them is that they can articulate their opinions, engage with you in a discussion, and make compelling arguments. None of which j7 has ever managed to do.

If j7's posting was limited to friendly Bond discussion, or his childish prose was explained by age or English being a second language, I'd be fine. But it's that combination of mindless rants and an arrogance that makes his presence f*king insufferable.

I can't take it any more.

You want Ambler? You want me? Ban the sonofabitch.

PM me when it's over.

So I take it that M closed the poll. I would have asked for him banned too btw. Seriously, fuck him. End this nonsense and move on.

Okay, I admit. I've been editing all of j7wild's posts across the internet to make him look like a fool since 1999.

Just kidding.

Mods shouldn't be editing other peoples' posts for fun, IMO. Yes, it was funny, but it sets a bad precedent.

So those mods should either agree not to edit posts for sport again, or be de-modded. Again, IMO.

M has decided that j7wild will remain on board for now:

M wrote:

Can we at least wait until j7wild says something truly offensive or dumbass enough to justify a banning before just lynching him? He's hung himself with his own rope before, he'll likely do it again. Just be patient. If he steps out of line, there'll be no excuses and no third chances.

Really, it's only a matter of time till j7wild is banned again. Simple enough, right?

Louis Armstrong wrote:

Really, it's only a matter of time till j7wild is banned again. Simple enough, right?

I don't agree. Like a flea or a mosquito, he doesn't have much of a brain, but he's got a good survival instinct, or like an abusing husband that hits his wife just enough to cause pain and mental trauma, but not enough to cause serious physical harm. Don't be surprised if you end up waiting for months for him to finally slip.

In the meantime, have fun playing in j7's kiddie pool. Never thought I'd be saying this to BAB, but oh well. All good things must come to an end.

Largo's Shark wrote:

In the meantime, have fun playing in j7's kiddie pool.

And he s***s in the pool often.

Bloody hell. This debate is still raging? He was permabanned for a reason. It's clear that he brings nothing to the forum but conflict and the place would be better off if the prevailing view was upheld.

P.S. I once edited a pissed-off hobo into one of j7's thumbnail fests. If I must lose my mod privileges over it, I'm happy to cop it on the chin.

Hey Sharky...since I'm the biggest impediment here over this issue...can you one of you very nice Mods kick me out of the way?

Time for some of you to stop flapping your little gums and show you mean what you say...

No hard feelings....

I don't think anyone wants you "kicked out of the way", Mrs. Sects.

Whatever the rest of your mods or M himself do with j7wild (I suggest giving him what Kennon asked for), I urge you all not to ban or delete Dog Bond's account, whatever she says.

Good luck.

As far as I'm concerned Dog Bond is always welcome here.

Python wrote:

As far as I'm concerned Dog Bond is always welcome here.

Agreed.

Yes of course. Dog Bond is always welcome

I've been asked to weight in on the J7 file. I want to keep this real simple. M reinstated him. I respect that. He's back. He's a member in good standing again.

However we do have 10 full mods here. Any of us can suspend a member that is in "violation" of the forum rules, no questions asked. Just do it. If the member appeals to M, make your case to M and he'll make the final decision. He's the boss, however we can act within our own "area of competence", but he can overule after the fact. That's fair. There is still order in the universe.

Largo's Shark wrote:

Control wrote:

JaySevz isn't going anywhere.

Then I don't want to be here any more, I'm sorry to say

I don't want to be here, either. Let me know if/when j7 is banned. This has just gotten extremely drawn out for no legitimate reason.

'Til then, you can find me on Twitter or something.

Mrs Aural Sects wrote:

Ban j7wild. Because you lot are bent on your animosity towards this guy. And as soon as that happens, I will leave, not over j7wild, but because the lynch mob mentality in here

To be brutally honest, I don't see what your issue here is.

j7wild has had more than enough chances around here. He does not deserve another, and never should have been let back after his last ban.

Gravity's Silhouette wrote:

I don't even know which post to respond to. I don't have the time for all of this.

#1 Move the thread out into the open if we're going to do anything with it. There's too much at stake to "nuke" it or delete it until certain matters get resolved.

#2 It should take NO effort to go back and find J7Wild's offending posts, but if we have to spend even one second trying to filter out the posts a moderator forged versus the ones he legitimately made on his own, it is one second too many.

#3 No defense at all for tampering with posts. Zip. Zilch. Zero. Nada. The people who did it should just man-up about it and pledge not to do it again. Doubling-down on the excuse-making only makes it look worse.

#4 If we're having to invent stuff that J7Wild is alleged to have said then perhaps what he's actually saying isn't quite as offensive or controversial as we think it is. His own words should suffice, but apparently that hasn't happened around here.

#5 My long-range view of this situation is that it sets a horrible precedent as moderators. Once we've crossed the line and tampered with someone's post, who is to say that we won't be tempted again with someone else? What's to stop a moderator from tampering even more aggressively with the next person that says something they don't like or agree with? Once you've drawn a line in the sand and then crossed it, you'll find yourself constantly redrawing that line. As moderators, we should be deleting objectionable content, not adding to it.

#6 Now with at least three moderators (that we know of) having tampered with his posts, we have collectively turned J7Wild into a martyr, and he didn't even seek it out or ask for it or want it. We've accidentally half-assed our way into making him more threatening than he really is by compromising our integrity. We've snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

#7 Even I am becoming exhausted with these J7Wild discussions (yes, I know I don't have to read them).. They're sucking all the oxygen out of the room and they're making fellow moderators that I respected look bad.

I honestly don't see how we allowed JWild to drive us to this point. It's stunning.

I absolutely agree with this. This whole thing is ridiculous.

I think banning him for being annoying or having different or poorly expressed views is unfair. However, I think it is 100% the only solution to this problem. Ban him. Nuke these threads to stop it being discussed beyond its relevancy and clean the slate. If he creates a dummy account, or M decides that for whatever reason he can return, then deal with it purely on the content of his posts.

I also think coming up with some sort of objective code of conduct, or a series of fundamental rules, besides the boilerplate sign-up T&A to both improve transparency and provide a guideline against which all moderating decisions can be made would prevent situations like these arising again. One hopes.

I don't really care enough about the problem to lobby to have j7wild banned - he doesn't add much to the forum, but I don't find him particularly annoying - but it seems like the inevitable conclusion now. Why are we waiting to do it when it's clearly coming eventually, and why are we letting good members like LS and Wade drop off just to protect somebody that nobody likes and only a small minority are willing to defend on principle?

Embrace its inevitability. Do it now. The guy isn't going to turn into H. L. Mencken overnight. He's always going to be Lennie Small, and M needs to step up and do like George - end it now, before he's exposed fully to the seething hatred of a growing number of people who are sick of the noxious influence he seems to be having on our membership.

Vesper wrote:

I also think coming up with some sort of objective code of conduct, or a series of fundamental rules, besides the boilerplate sign-up T&A to both improve transparency and provide a guideline against which all moderating decisions can be made would prevent situations like these arising again. One hopes.

Indeed.

The mods on this site were recruited with little-to-no guidelines to follow. Aside from editing j7's posts with GIF images, I think we've all done a decent job at keeping this place tidy. However, I do think anyone responsible for editing j7's posts should step down from their mod positions, just to avoid any further conflict. Might also be a good idea to rotate mod powers regularly, which was suggested when this site first took off.

Mods are only here to clean up, really. I think j7 has been the first case of a member actually stirring up trouble around these boards.

Mrs Aural Sects wrote:

HJackson wrote:

Control wrote:

The idea of modifying some bozo's posts with wacky GIFs and smileys is truly hilarious.

I agree. Nothing wrong with a little horseplay to lighten the mood on the boards. I can't help but be amused by how seriously this has been taken, and the implication that because a few of you touched up a handful of his posts, we can't be certain that some saddo mod isn't just fabricating everything he writes.

Would you like it if someone edited your post, and made it seem like you were calling yourself a c unt (as was done with j7wild), simply cuz you're not liked here? If you welcome this horseplay, perhaps it can be arranged with your posts, with no hard feelings cuz it's all in fun. Any takers?

Precisely. And I rather doubt HJackson would be so equable if a mod really did start jacking with his posts. If somebody did it to my posts I would raise all sorts of hell.