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Professor Train Cipher Clerk
Posts : 189 Member Since : 2016-12-11 Location : Watching the watchers.
| Subject: "Breaking the Ice" - Your views on John Gardner's Icebreaker (1983)? Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:43 pm | |
| As there's never been a specific thread here on John Gardner's third James Bond continuation novel Icebreaker (1983) I thought that I would remedy this fact and start a thread where we can discuss, review, criticise and even help conduct some research on the novel. For many literary Bond fans (myself included) this is one of John Gardner's best James Bond novels, and some even call it the best. It's known that it was one of John Gardner's personal favourites from his Bond back catalogue, his ultimate favourite being the similarly plotted The Man From Barbarossa (1991). Icebreaker saw John Gardner return the literary Bond to the subject of the Nazis, past and present (see Sir Hugo Drax in Ian Fleming's Moonraker) and a neo-Nazi group called the National Socialist Action Army (NSAA) who were killing Communist Party members and associates the world over in a terrorist campaign designed to usher in a Fourth Reich in Europe. The NSAA may have been based on this similarly-titled Neo-Nazi political party of the early 1980s in Britain (linked below) which also attacked Communists and was involved (like the villain Count Konrad von Gloda) in arms smuggling to further its nefarious ends: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Action_Party Digging around, I've also found this neo-Nazi LP. I don't know whether or not it is influenced by Gardner's Icebreaker or not but it is interesting nonetheless: http://www.popsike.com/LEGION-88-ICEBREAKER-85-TEST-LP-SKINHEAD-FRENCH-OI/4813090475.html I'd love to hear your thoughts on this novel and what I've written about the possible inspiration for Gardner's NSAA villain's organisation in this thread. Let's get a good conversation going here. |
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hegottheboot Head of Station
Posts : 1758 Member Since : 2012-01-08 Location : TN, USA
| Subject: Re: "Breaking the Ice" - Your views on John Gardner's Icebreaker (1983)? Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:57 pm | |
| It's been some time since I read it and I've been meaning to do a complete series re-read. When I first read it it felt like a step backwards from FOR SPECIAL SERVICES at first-but suddenly the book clicked in my mind and it moved like a really good old fashioned spy thriller narrative set in the snowy climate. I'd rate it as one of his best even if it is more like a film than a convoluted spy novel. It certainly moves quickly and is an enjoyable read with some good characters, double crosses and setpieces. I still remember to left foot brake in icy driving moments thinking I'm in the Saab with the snow plow coming out at me from nowhere.
I think I'd rate it close to the top of Gardner Bonds probably something like this: 1. For Special Serives 2. Nobody Lives Forever 3. Role of Honour 4. Icebreaker 5. Licence Renewed 6. Win Lose or Die 7. Death is Forever 8. No Deals Mr. Bond 9. Scorpius 10. Brokenclaw 11. Man From Barbossa 12. Seafire 13. Never Send Flowers 14. Cold Fall |
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Thunderpussy Cipher Clerk
Posts : 145 Member Since : 2011-11-26 Location : Behind You !
| Subject: Re: "Breaking the Ice" - Your views on John Gardner's Icebreaker (1983)? Sat Apr 24, 2021 9:20 pm | |
| I recently re-read Icebreaker a few months ago. Like many during Lockdown, I've done plenty of reading. I enjoyed the first six of Gardner's novels, then they became a bit the same, Bond in a group with at least one double or triple agent. More Maclean than Fleming. With Icebreaker, bringing back the Nazi's is always a standard thriller idea, and I enjoyed the location. It has a few great sequences like the journey across the border at night on skidoos. Where I learnt not to throw out my leg on the snow to turn one. The cold water torture part is also very good. |
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hegottheboot Head of Station
Posts : 1758 Member Since : 2012-01-08 Location : TN, USA
| Subject: Re: "Breaking the Ice" - Your views on John Gardner's Icebreaker (1983)? Sun Apr 25, 2021 2:18 am | |
| Agreed on all points. The first six Gardners from LR to No Deals have the most energy and feel most like Bond novels. After that the others have their moments with Death is Forever being the best of them. Gardner Bonds do have their traits and hangups-and will deviate from Bondian feeling but they should be better discussed and acknowledged for sure. He came up with some nice sequences, characters and death scenes along with tortures. The O-kee-pa in Brokenclaw always jumps to mind.
Reranking for me nowadays: 1. For Special Serives 2. Nobody Lives Forever 3. Role of Honour 4. Licence Renewed 5. Icebreaker 6. No Deals Mr. Bond 7. Death is Forever 8. Win Lose or Die 9. Scorpius 10. Brokenclaw 11. Man From Barbossa 12. Seafire 13. Never Send Flowers 14. Cold Fall |
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Thunderpussy Cipher Clerk
Posts : 145 Member Since : 2011-11-26 Location : Behind You !
| Subject: Re: "Breaking the Ice" - Your views on John Gardner's Icebreaker (1983)? Sun Apr 25, 2021 9:11 am | |
| Nice ranking list. I too love For Special Services, a great gig Bond adventure. |
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Hilly Administrator
Posts : 8077 Member Since : 2010-05-13 Location : Chez Hilly, the Cote d'Hampshire
| Subject: Re: "Breaking the Ice" - Your views on John Gardner's Icebreaker (1983)? Sun Apr 25, 2021 9:12 pm | |
| I need to go through them all at some point. I have them but when I was younger there was only the first four in my house so I still tend to read those, even though I've all of Gardner's now including LTK and GE.
He did a good job considering. |
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Thunderpussy Cipher Clerk
Posts : 145 Member Since : 2011-11-26 Location : Behind You !
| Subject: Re: "Breaking the Ice" - Your views on John Gardner's Icebreaker (1983)? Sun Apr 25, 2021 9:39 pm | |
| I'd definitely Rate Gardner far higher than R Benson. Also since discovering Audio Books, I regularly listen to them when driving, or walking the dog etc, |
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AMC Hornet Head of Station
Posts : 1235 Member Since : 2011-08-18 Location : Station 'C' - Canada
| Subject: Re: "Breaking the Ice" - Your views on John Gardner's Icebreaker (1983)? Mon Apr 26, 2021 8:49 pm | |
| I've always enjoyed Icebreaker, despite the fact that Bond is at his least proactive. He's led along by the nose and double-crossed by each member of the team at least once. As Thunderpussy said, more Alistair MacLean than Fleming, but the atmosphere and heady plot more than make up for any shortcomings.
I much prefer Icebreaker to FSS, TMFB and DIF. Those are all in the bottom half of my ranking, dwarfed by LR, IB, NLF, SC, WLoD and BC.
Of Benson's contributions I like ZMT and HTTK (aka ABTD). The latter is rather reminiscent of IB as it steps out of the usual formula and pits Bond against the harsh elements as much as against enemy agents. |
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