The Star Trek Thread, 3.0

Most amusing bit of that episode is when Garth-as-Kirk has a fit when he can't reply to Spock's chess move, with pure Shatner ham sandwich. Other than that, and Marta's delicious body, it's just a mediocre jail break episode.

Garth is a really interesting Potential for a character. If Cumberbatch had been Garth I wouldve so been there.

Fairbairn-Sykes wrote:

Garth is a really interesting Potential for a character. If Cumberbatch had been Garth I wouldve so been there.

Could have played well in STD. The villain being an older version of Kirk almost. Of course, the movie already has a standard issue ERSA. Evil Renegade Starfleet Admiral.

"The Mark of Gideon" is probably the best of the S3 rough patch. If you look past the logic problem of a society building a replica of the Enterprise but not being able to solve their problem... and the solution being genocide. And it's got POINT BLANK's Sharon Acker.

Did not know: http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Basil_Poledouris

I read the original idea for "The Cloud Minders". Pity that version wasn't made.

Weird editing and horny Spock don't help matters.

"The Way to Eden" is sort of amusing. So bad it's good.

sfdebris just did that one recently. The phrase "out of touch" fits perfectly for that show, both because the writers don't get the hippie movement and they don't get Trek and its characters.

I love that because real life hippies grok Spock, Spock groks the space hippies. Its such blatant pandering. And of course there's the Chekov problem. "Joanna" would've been a much.more convincing episode I think.

HERBERT: THE MOTION PICTURE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pX4r9FyLTWI

Napier as a hippie is something I will never get used to seeing.

Boy, "All Our Yesterdays" is fantastic compared to where this season had been. Watching "Turnabout Intruder", and it's clear to me now how bad this episode is. There has always been sexism in TOS, but I guess the message of this episode is "Women are silly and can't handle command."

Of course, I think that was also the inadvertent message of VOYAGER.

Standouts in S3: "The Enterprise Incident", "The Empath", "The Tholian Web", and "All Our Yesterdays".

Good picks for standouts.

On "Turnabout Intruder". Yeah, if you listen to Janice Lester's ranting you might come away with that message that women can't command. I really hate to believe a progressive show like Trek would send that message, but then Roddenberry has writing credit so yeah...I enjoy that episode purely for Shatner bringing the ham like never before. and I do like some character moments such as when Sulu and Chekov are trying to make sense of what's going on and how they protest by not following orders. May not be about them, but what they do tells you who they are so it's a nice break from the usual "course laid in".

But yeah, "All Our Yesterdays" would have made a great finale.

Stick this here I suppose despite two other candidate threads, huzzar. Watching Star Trek III in the wee small hours I paid closer attention to Kirk, to Shatner. More of the old Shatner here than the one in TWOK but...maybe in part to the Nimoy commentary, I never really considered how Kirk goes through it all here. The hurt at losing Spock, then David which sort of overshadows I think the hurt he felt at losing the Enterprise.
Nimoy's mentioning about how the Grissom was sort of something to make fun of. Inferior to the Enterprise, efete "perhaps why it had pink seats".

Strongly suspect, for my sins, Horner's music during the escape of the Big-E plays a huge part.

Watching THE MOTION PICTURE. STINO took a lot of cues from Star Wars, but I think TMP could have taken a piece of advice from Lucas himself. "Faster, and more intense."

In a perfect world, this film would have taken the opportunity to play into the decade time gap. It's ten years after the show. Kirk is over the hill, his glory days behind him. Desk bound. The Enterprise has already had another (let's say 7-year) mission under the command of Decker and he's captured the kind of glory Kirk had. Let's say there is some function that sees Kirk on board. Perhaps being ferried to the annual Babel conference. And then V'Ger comes up. We'd see it in the begining, like in the film, but we wouldn't have to go through the whole hour-long Enterprise launch.

Can't figure how I'd bring in Spock. Having him be in command wouldn't have the same dynamic. And this whole, "He heard V'Ger talking to him" thing in the actual movie makes no sense. Maybe the Enterprise picks up Spock, who is filling in for his father and has left Starfleet. So you get a reunion. Both these two guys are out of the game, and together they blah blah blah and get back in the game.

Poor Nimoy, no sense of direction at all.

Went through the first three Trek movies today.

1. THE WRATH OF KHAN
2. THE SEARCH FOR SPOCK
3. THE MOTION PICTURE

TSFS has a great story, but it's undercut by cheese. Still, I really dig this movie. It's pure fun, plus it has a grasp on the characters and gives each of them something to do. Nimoy as a director gets the tone and spirit of classic Trek. He doesn't try to bend it to his vision, he just makes Trek. Frakes did the same. When the movie works it works very well. Would I prefer to see Omar Sharif as a Romulan baddie? Absolutely. Or even as a Klingon one. Could the Genesis planet have come off better? Yes. Is everything a bit convenient? Yes. But the movie works as a piece of Trek entertainment.

Looking at the early ideas of TSFS, I wish the final product was closer to it. The way the film is now, I would have thought out Kirk's reason of going to the Genesis planet better. Didn't the filmmakers also aim to shoot on location in Hawaii? That really would have been a bonus.

I know Olmos is shorter than Shatner, but I still would have liked to see him as what would have been the Romulan commander in the flick.

Olmos would have downed that Romulan Ale for sure.

https://youtu.be/n5Ip_JDWgbQ?t=10s

My classic TREK ranking:

1. THE VOYAGE HOME
2. THE WRATH OF KHAN
3. THE SEARCH FOR SPOCK
4. THE MOTION PICTURE

Haven't seen the others yet.

Of course Sharky likes the one where they save the sea life.

That too, plus my granddad was a Norwegian whaler. :)

I like it because it's pulpy, unpretentious, genuinely funny, and the cast actually looks like they've having fun. More of a Leonard Nimoy film than a Gene Roddenberry film, and all the better for it.

FWIW, I also find the probe a lot more threatening than V'Ger.

It's true in general for Trek that the less Roddenberry was involved the better the results were, similar with Lucas and Star Wars.

Python wrote:

Looking at the early ideas of TSFS, I wish the final product was closer to it. The way the film is now, I would have thought out Kirk's reason of going to the Genesis planet better. Didn't the filmmakers also aim to shoot on location in Hawaii? That really would have been a bonus.

I know Olmos is shorter than Shatner, but I still would have liked to see him as what would have been the Romulan commander in the flick.

One of the film-makers said going to Hawaii but they couldn't afford it. Listening to the commentary Nimoy sounded like he wished he could've gone to Alaska (or somewhere for the snow scene) or Hawaii for the destruction or God knows where for Vulcan but budget was fantastically tight. Sounded like he was really worried that the snow would look too fake, that you'd see it was a set hit by wind machines and that the canvas background for the end scene on Vulcan he had shot out of focus. Always a step ahead of the audience worrying that they'd not buy it.

Man, I'd give my arms for Meyer to come back.

It wasnt the money but weather problems that seasin that kept them out of Hawaii.