Mad Men

I wouldn't mind another Conrad Hilton-type. Not Connie, but someone of that gravitas.

I'd read about people hating Connie. He was one of my favorite things about S3. The actor is superb.

Really? Glad I never discuss MAD MEN elsewhere. I do know many can't stand Pete and think he's just ruining the show.

He's not ruining the show, you're supposed to not be able to stand him! Not every regular character on a show needs to be "likeable", sometime few shows other than Mad Men understand.

Yup, it keeps things interesting to have that kind of dynamic, that's one of the reasons they watch it and they don't even realize how boring it would be if all the characters started being nice to each other. That's why garbage like Real Housewives gets ratings because nobody is watching it to see 40 year old rich women be nice, courteous and thankful for where they are.

The White Tuxedo wrote:

I'd read about people hating Connie. He was one of my favorite things about S3. The actor is superb.

Agreed. People are nuts.

I for one, never understood the intense Megan haters. Or the people who felt Dawn was "under-explored". I sometimes wonder what show they're watching, or want to be watching. Go rent THE HELP on DVD.

Yeah, I've looked elsewhere for MM discussion, and people seem to be watching another show. It's not about the 60's, it's a drama that is informed by the era. It's not the Dawn show.

I think there are people who want Pete to die and for Don and Betty to get married again and live in their old house, and for the office to be filled with black people and for Emma Stone's character from THE HELP to be the new President of the agency.

I think people have said we're a bunch of assholes on this forum, but I think we're among the few (that I've seen) who discuss this stuff objectively (if informally) as opposed to basically gossiping about it. The biggest case in point is that certain outer space movie from 2009.

Fairbairn-Sykes wrote:

I for one, never understood the intense Megan haters. Or the people who felt Dawn was "under-explored". I sometimes wonder what show they're watching, or want to be watching. Go rent THE HELP on DVD.

Of course that movie wasn't about black people either. It was about a pretty rich white girl who saves black people.

The White Tuxedo wrote:

I think people have said we're a bunch of assholes on this forum, but I think we're among the few (that I've seen) who discuss this stuff objectively (if informally) as opposed to basically gossiping about it. The biggest case in point is that certain outer space movie from 2009.

Yup, Moon was pretty decent.

Python wrote:

The White Tuxedo wrote:

I think people have said we're a bunch of assholes on this forum, but I think we're among the few (that I've seen) who discuss this stuff objectively (if informally) as opposed to basically gossiping about it. The biggest case in point is that certain outer space movie from 2009.

Yup, Moon was pretty decent.

Rockwell on MAD MEN I would not oppose.

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity/gilmore-girls-and-mad-men-stars-alexis-bledel-and-vincent-kartheiser-to-wed/story-fn907478-1226602089287

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FORMER Gilmore Girl Alexis Bledel and Mad Men star Vincent Kartheiser are engaged.
blah blah blah

Pete Campbell is marrying that chick he was banging last season. Fancy that.

Good on him. Aside from that, he must have a lot of tolerance to shave the front of his hairline just for his character.

Also, Season Five is available to watch on Netflix, so if you're behind go catch up. It's IMO the best of all the seasons so far.

The White Tuxedo wrote:

Yeah, I've looked elsewhere for MM discussion, and people seem to be watching another show. It's not about the 60's, it's a drama that is informed by the era.

Which is definitely for the best as I find most works that try to be ABOUT the Sixties come off hopelessly unrealistic, stereotypical and misrepresentative. Becayse in a lot of ways they become about how we want to remember the Sixties and not about how it really was. Its all 1967-69 stuff about how the peace-loving hippies saved the world for blacks and stopped the war using the power of rock music and acid, while those in power were old evil squares who didnt understand.

I think we are only getting a more objective view with Mad Men now because the hippies of that era who grew into entertainmebt profeasionals arent making the show, and Weiner isnt interested in repeating their self-aggrandizing myths.

The characters of Mad Men are white collar professionals -- the great cultural changes will affect the outskirts of their lives but ultimately much of what the show is about still works today -- what it is really about, not the stylish surface trappings.

I think a lot of people want to be watching this.



"It started as a decade of innocence." No, it didn't. The TV shows of the early 60's were mostly innocent, and the white baby boomers who wrote that piece of shit only remember that.

As Ron Moore said "it's the characters, duh!"

Yeah, its the setting a lot of folks are more interested than the viewpoint if the characters. Kind of similar to THE WALKING DEAD where there are a lot of people who primarily watch it for zombie action more than the characters. For me, without interesting characters there's no story and MAD MEN would be any other generic period show where the makers are more interested in their idea of the past than who the characters are.

The White Tuxedo wrote:

I think a lot of people want to be watching this.



"It started as a decade of innocence." No, it didn't. The TV shows of the early 60's were mostly innocent, and the white baby boomers who wrote that piece of shit only remember that.

Oh man, I was totally thinking of that miniseries when I wrote my post. Couldn't remember if it was a mini-series or a movie. I just remember my dad watching it and saying "this is bullshit, it wasn't like this." Granted, my dad was like Bobby Draper's age and living in Sarnia and Tsawassen in Canada at the time. He was mostly saying how ridiculous that every character was a 60s archetype (hippie, Vietnam vet, political activist, etc), when the majority of people in that decade lived relatively normal lives.

I'm sure they were all in the same family, too, speaking about issues at the dinner table.

Seriously though, that ad looks like a parody of those kind of movies that came out from the 80s/90s. Only THE WONDER YEARS seemed to come out unscathed (though at its worst it would commit to those cliches in the later seasons).

I recall FREAKS AND GEEKS was good, though set in 1980. And it had Linda Cardellini.

Freaks and Geeks was good. I'd say it's a bit similar to Mad Men in that it's not a show about the '80s, but rather, as you guys put it, informed by it.

Freaks and Geeks is the best thing either Judd Apatow or James Franco ever did.
In fact, in light of their later work, it's rather difficult to consider how much they contributed to that show's quality.

Python wrote:

As Ron Moore said "it's the characters, duh!"

Yeah, its the setting a lot of folks are more interested than the viewpoint if the characters. Kind of similar to THE WALKING DEAD where there are a lot of people who primarily watch it for zombie action more than the characters. For me, without interesting characters there's no story and MAD MEN would be any other generic period show where the makers are more interested in their idea of the past than who the characters are.

Yep, often the most interesting bits of The Walking Dead would be the character interplay ... the power struggles between 'alpha males', people taking on a protective role of the most vulnerable members of the group of survivors etc. with the zombie stuff almost just as an 'undercurrent'.

I'll probably take a look at THE WALKING DEAD eventually. BREAKING BAD as well, which I watched the first few episodes of and wasn't hooked by.

I wouldn't bother with The Walking Dead Tux.
Apart from the first season, there is nothing but disappointment to be found.
And even the maiden season isn't that great.

I liked the first episode and the first half of season 3, but I am too much a fan of the source material to be objective.

I just realized that the show stopped filming in 35mm after the fourth season, switching to digital. That's kinda too bad. I embrace digital when its used well like in Skyfall, but given the era this show takes place in I'd prefer using film. Oh well.