Skyfall is Die Another Day

Interestinfg feature.

http://www.hollywood.com/news/Skyfall_Die_Another_Day_Comparison/44068525

In other similarities, there's the descent in the london underground, and the battle on an ice lake.

I thought it was more like The World Is Not Enough.

Time to get rid of Wade and Purvis.

They are just recycling their own scripts and ideas over and over.

I bet they have a template program that just randomly generates locations and characters and action scenes.

It's like those authors who have a fiction book coming out every few months; they all read the same, only the name of the characters and locations have changed.

I want to know how come Michael France only wrote one James Bond film story/screenplay?

His Goldeneye (and the non-Bond film Cliffhanger) is much superior to TWINE and DAD and QoS and SF.

Skyfall has the sense to not have an inept CGI parasurfing sequence or an *invisible* car. Which makes it better.

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the starring of an African-American actress in the lead female role (Naomie Watts acting circles around Halle Berry)

That's quite a tan Ms. Watts has acquired.

Judi Dench was the leading lady in SKYFALL.

Article was sh**e but this comment had me in stitches.

Quote :

As an AP on numerous movie and TV projects, as well as an avid
fan of the Bond series and Ian Fleming , I have to say your evaluation and comparison
of the two films and actor references was … absurd.  To not be too subjective, I forwarded your
comments to seasoned pros in the movie biz I’ve worked with over the past 23
years.  The response I received (from
Denver, Chicago, Beverly Hills, and London) was rather consistent … that the
author of this article simply doesn’t “get it.” 
The new Bond character never develops, and actually contradicts
character development.  Pierce’s final
outing was one of his best.  And even
though Craig is only in his mid-40's, he has always appeared too old.  Granted, Craig is one of the few Bond actors to
anywhere come close to resemble realistically withstanding any of the physical
encounters; although his perpetual sad facade has been a continual
contradiction to swaying the world’s most gorgeous women or outwitting evil geniuses.
He looks like a very aged Borne, and perpetually confused; comparable to the
unnecessary/improbable Balboa in the final Rocky.  He is more prone to cry that confidently fulfill
the role of a unique icon in this series legacy.  I would address your numerous inaccuracies
... yet it's as if I would be debating a naive critic who knows little of plot
functionality, aesthetic coordination, character development, and most
significant, how the “Bond formula” has not only lasted over decades, but established
universal symbolism.  The “new Bond” has
been lessened to an also-ran of the action movie genre.  However the series may continue, eschewing
the gadgetry and elegance of the lead character of the successful and
innovative films, in favor of a more distraught character dependent on brawling
tactics, will continue to lessen the beauty of what had made this series stand
the test of time allowing a few select men the privilege to act out this unique
fantasy.

I have two questions.

1) Has this guy even seen SKYFALL?

2) Lee Tamahori is that you?

Blunt Instrument wrote:

Skyfall has the sense to not be inept. Which makes it better.

Fixed.

Didn't need fixing .

To the article defense, it says Skyfall is the better film. It just notices many elements from DAD are incorporated into the script.

I don't think WINE is a good comparison except for the pre-credit scene and the Bond injured scene and evaluation right after, the rest of the movie is pretty different than Skyfall, which borrow basically the entire settings of Die Another Day.

I'm surprised they worked so long on a script just so that in the end, there's another battle on an ice lake. Funny. (I don't think this is P&W doing, as their script was fully rewritten, I think it's all Michael G. Wilson input).

Stamper wrote:

the rest of the movie is pretty different than Skyfall, which borrow basically the entire settings of Die Another Day.

Yes, because I can see how you might have mistaken the Hilton in Hong Kong - a building with a very Western style of architecture - for the Golden Dragon Casino in Macau, which actually looks like it is in Asia.

Stamper wrote:

there's another battle on an ice lake

One film involves an invisible Aston Martin and a Jaguar that is inexplicably loaded with weapons (as if it was developed by Q Branch) racing around on a glacier trying to blow each other up.

The other film involves Bond being held at gunpoint on a frozen moor until he overpowers the henchman in question, uses his gun to shoot through the ice, and doesn't actually fight the man until they are underwater.



Grasp firmly, now.

Prisoner Monkeys wrote:

Stamper wrote:

the rest of the movie is pretty different than Skyfall, which borrow basically the entire settings of Die Another Day.

Yes, because I can see how you might have mistaken the Hilton in Hong Kong - a building with a very Western style of architecture - for the Golden Dragon Casino in Macau, which actually looks like it is in Asia.

...you know Macau is made up primarily of Portugese and faux-European architecture right? Along with Communist style Brutalism? The film doesn't resemble it even slightly.

"Hong Kong" and "Macau" look exactly the same to in both films. Like sets on a Pinewood soundstage.

Largo's Shark wrote:

Article was sh**e but this comment had me in stitches.

Quote :

As an AP on numerous movie and TV projects, as well as an avid
fan of the Bond series and Ian Fleming , I have to say your evaluation and comparison
of the two films and actor references was … absurd. To not be too subjective, I forwarded your
comments to seasoned pros in the movie biz I’ve worked with over the past 23
years. The response I received (from
Denver, Chicago, Beverly Hills, and London) was rather consistent … that the
author of this article simply doesn’t “get it.”
The new Bond character never develops, and actually contradicts
character development. Pierce’s final
outing was one of his best. And even
though Craig is only in his mid-40's, he has always appeared too old. Granted, Craig is one of the few Bond actors to
anywhere come close to resemble realistically withstanding any of the physical
encounters; although his perpetual sad facade has been a continual
contradiction to swaying the world’s most gorgeous women or outwitting evil geniuses.
He looks like a very aged Borne, and perpetually confused; comparable to the
unnecessary/improbable Balboa in the final Rocky. He is more prone to cry that confidently fulfill
the role of a unique icon in this series legacy. I would address your numerous inaccuracies
... yet it's as if I would be debating a naive critic who knows little of plot
functionality, aesthetic coordination, character development, and most
significant, how the “Bond formula” has not only lasted over decades, but established
universal symbolism. The “new Bond” has
been lessened to an also-ran of the action movie genre. However the series may continue, eschewing
the gadgetry and elegance of the lead character of the successful and
innovative films, in favor of a more distraught character dependent on brawling
tactics, will continue to lessen the beauty of what had made this series stand
the test of time allowing a few select men the privilege to act out this unique
fantasy.

I have two questions.

1) Has this guy even seen SKYFALL?

2) Lee Tamahori is that you?

Is the bolded part really that ridiculous?

Vesper wrote:

Largo's Shark wrote:

Article was sh**e but this comment had me in stitches.

Quote :

As an AP on numerous movie and TV projects, as well as an avid
fan of the Bond series and Ian Fleming , I have to say your evaluation and comparison
of the two films and actor references was … absurd. To not be too subjective, I forwarded your
comments to seasoned pros in the movie biz I’ve worked with over the past 23
years. The response I received (from
Denver, Chicago, Beverly Hills, and London) was rather consistent … that the
author of this article simply doesn’t “get it.”
The new Bond character never develops, and actually contradicts
character development. Pierce’s final
outing was one of his best. And even
though Craig is only in his mid-40's, he has always appeared too old. Granted, Craig is one of the few Bond actors to
anywhere come close to resemble realistically withstanding any of the physical
encounters; although his perpetual sad facade has been a continual
contradiction to swaying the world’s most gorgeous women or outwitting evil geniuses.
He looks like a very aged Borne, and perpetually confused; comparable to the
unnecessary/improbable Balboa in the final Rocky. He is more prone to cry that confidently fulfill
the role of a unique icon in this series legacy. I would address your numerous inaccuracies
... yet it's as if I would be debating a naive critic who knows little of plot
functionality, aesthetic coordination, character development, and most
significant, how the “Bond formula” has not only lasted over decades, but established
universal symbolism. The “new Bond” has
been lessened to an also-ran of the action movie genre. However the series may continue, eschewing
the gadgetry and elegance of the lead character of the successful and
innovative films, in favor of a more distraught character dependent on brawling
tactics, will continue to lessen the beauty of what had made this series stand
the test of time allowing a few select men the privilege to act out this unique
fantasy.

I have two questions.

1) Has this guy even seen SKYFALL?

2) Lee Tamahori is that you?

Is the bolded part really that ridiculous?

If the comment was posted in 2009, then no. I'd probably agree with him.

Blunt Instrument wrote:

Skyfall has the sense to not have an inept CGI parasurfing sequence or an *invisible* car. Which makes it better.

That's just two things. There's a whole list of things wrong with DAD. I probably have a powerpoint presentation somewhere about it, if you've got an hour to kill :D

I actually think there are worse Bonds than DAD ... there's a plodding 'tiredness' to AVTAK that can't fully be blamed on Moore's advanced years.

Tomorrow Never Dies is the worst one for me. Followed by a close tie between DAD and TWINE. Then AVTAK and MR. Still, I don't see any of them in SF, thank gawd.

Ravenstone wrote:

Blunt Instrument wrote:

Skyfall has the sense to not have an inept CGI parasurfing sequence or an *invisible* car. Which makes it better.

That's just two things. There's a whole list of things wrong with DAD. I probably have a powerpoint presentation somewhere about it, if you've got an hour to kill :D

Only an hour? That would be my Readers' Digest Condensed Version.

Vesper wrote:

...you know Macau is made up primarily of Portugese and faux-European architecture right? Along with Communist style Brutalism? The film doesn't resemble it even slightly.

Perhaps, but the point I'm trying to make is that the sets in Macau actually look like they could be in Asia, whereas the sets in Hong Kong for DAD don't look like they could be in Asia.

It's just stamper trying to find tiny little problems to pick at and blow them out of proportion because he doesn't like the film.

Ravenstone wrote:

Tomorrow Never Dies is the worst one for me. Followed by a close tie between DAD and TWINE.

Yeah, I don't think you're alone in the 'What the hell went wrong with the Brozzer Era after Goldeneye?!?' camp.

Blunt Instrument wrote:

Yeah, I don't think you're alone in the 'What the hell went wrong with the Brozzer Era after Goldeneye?!?' camp.

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Ravenstone wrote:

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Largo's Shark wrote:

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LIVE AND LET DIE is just like DR. NO because both take place in the Caribbean. And they feature characters names James Bond, Felix Leiter, and Quarrel.

Honey Rider and Solitaire both have tits, too.

They're both anniversary films, difference is that SF was willing to move the series forward while looking back and nodding at its past, while DAD got way too caught up in its own past that it feels like the series has nowhere else to go.

DAD was over the the top fun with a splash of illogical scripting but 007 saved the day and rogered a good looking lady while SF was over the top illogical scripting with a splash of neurosis and prefered whisky over a lady & 007 did not win!!!