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Welcome aboard Chief and Righty.

Avarice wrote:: So Gravity's Silhouette managed to get banned by both CBn and MI6?

Respect.

Thanks....I think (but who told you that? How did you know? Not that I'm admitting anything.)

However, to be completely accurate, I was only suspended from MI6. They sent me an email at the time stating that it would last a few days and then I could reapply (like they were some sort of country club or something) if I would send them an email apologizing for disturbing the other posters and laying out a plan for how I intended to correct my behavior (if I recall correctly).

Of course nobody puts Gravity in a corner, so I rejected their idea and just moved on to CBn. I was there for a little over 5 years before I was, I guess, banned. I never got an email, a thank you card, a cease-and-desist/restraining order from Jim. It's like he doesn't love me anymore. Nobody explained anything. I just tried to log in a few days ago and found I couldn't and that all my posts had been deleted. Not only do I appear to have been banned from CBn, but apparently I was so disreputable that Jim had to put up a poll asking members to vote on who should be 'booted' from the boards. I got more votes than the other leading brands combined!!! I even got more votes than Robert Mugabe, who I think is some sort of Chinese dictator or something over in Africa.

But like Q said in the universally agreed Best Bond Movie Ever, THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH, "Always have an escape plan." Knowing that this day would eventually come, I had registered Gravity's Silhouette here at Bond and Beyond a few months ago and had been sporadically posting.

Apparently I was "disturbing" the other forum members and "upsetting" the peace by daring to suggest that maybe Barbara Broccoli was whoring out the James Bond series by having Daniel Craig dress up in a....dress, stockings, pumps, and platinum blond wig. Or that the next James Bond actor does not "need" to be black, or female (because, uh, Ian Fleming didn't write him that way). Apparently those are very insensitive things to say.

Lastly, I would say that I absolutely have no hard feelings about my experience at CBn at all. I totally get that it's their forum to run; I don't have a "right" to post there; this is not a free-speech issue. I'm only there at the pleasure of the moderators. However, I would suggest that the limited "moderating" that gets done there (though there's not much evidence of moderating; only banning and suspending when the situation gets out of control) is basically hypocritical and one-sided. People are routinely attacked on a personal level by other posters, but you are just expected to accept it. Not only are you expected not to respond or defend yourself, but you're to expect that the moderators won't do anything about it either (if they don't like you).

Before I was disavowed, disgraced, and disowned by CBn, I left this bit of wisdom on the boards when Righty007 was declaring CBn dead: "Goddammit, you bitch! You never backed away from anything in your life! Now fight! Fight! Right now! Do it! Fight goddammit! Fight! Fight! Fiiiiight!"

That's me. I'm a fighter, not a martyr. I'm not going to play any of these politically correct crap games that they like to play at MI6 or CBn, so if that's a problem we need to address that right now. As long as nobody attacks me on a personal level we'll be fine.

About me: Roger Moore is my favorite Bond. Icebreaker is my favorite novel. Well, that's enough about me.

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Gravity's Silhouette wrote:: MI6 ... sent me an email at the time stating that it would last a few days and then I could reapply (like they were some sort of country club or something) if I would send them an email apologizing for disturbing the other posters and laying out a plan for how I intended to correct my behavior (if I recall correctly).

That sounds familiar. It's always tiresome being disciplined by 12-year-olds.

Gravity's Silhouette wrote:: Apparently I was "disturbing" the other forum members and "upsetting" the peace by daring to suggest that maybe Barbara Broccoli was whoring out the James Bond series by having Daniel Craig dress up in a....dress, stockings, pumps, and platinum blond wig. Or that the next James Bond actor does not "need" to be black, or female (because, uh, Ian Fleming didn't write him that way). Apparently those are very insensitive things to say.

It's like I'm hearing an echo of my own voice here... :)

Gravity's Silhouette wrote:: I'm not going to play any of these politically correct crap games that they like to play at MI6 or CBn

Fantastic. Sick to death of the liberal-left bullshit that has trickled down even to James Bond forums.

Welcome, newbies ... and I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that our newest recruit is a Moore fan.

Avarice wrote:: Fantastic. Sick to death of the liberal-left bullshit that has trickled down even to James Bond forums.

I *get* that some people have objections to the death penalty for various reasons, but you have to also respect people who don't have a problem with the death penalty, and by "death penalty" in this case I'm referring to Bin Laden's execution back in May. Apparently it was even taboo among some at the CBn forums to express any sort of satisfaction or relief that Bin Laden had been assassinated. When it comes down to having to defend yourself for being glad that a mur-diddly-urderer of thousands of innocent lives is dead, you know we're not living in normal times anymore.

Gravity's Silhouette wrote:: When it comes down to having to defend yourself for being glad that a mur-diddly-urderer of thousands of innocent lives is dead, you know we're not living in normal times anymore.

Sad but true. So TLD has become your favorite Bond film, GS? It's my 2nd favorite Bond film so I'm always glad to read of appreciation for it.

Avarice wrote:

Gravity's Silhouette wrote:: MI6 ... sent me an email at the time stating that it would last a few days and then I could reapply (like they were some sort of country club or something) if I would send them an email apologizing for disturbing the other posters and laying out a plan for how I intended to correct my behavior (if I recall correctly).

That sounds familiar. It's always tiresome being disciplined by 12-year-olds.

I'm wondering if they stopped sending those e-mails after realizing that the only people who were going to beg for e-forgiveness were CASINOROYALE and Blofield.

Prince Kamal Khan wrote:

Gravity's Silhouette wrote:: When it comes down to having to defend yourself for being glad that a mur-diddly-urderer of thousands of innocent lives is dead, you know we're not living in normal times anymore.

Sad but true. So TLD has become your favorite Bond film, GS? It's my 2nd favorite Bond film so I'm always glad to read of appreciation for it.

Yes, it has become my favorite film. It's taken me a long time to say that because I didn't care much for it when I was 16 way back in....well, never mind that. But I think it almost takes an adult to appreciate TLD, and I've certainly felt in our "post 9/11 world" that the film is much more accessible and topical than before. And, it's not like there were never parts I didn't like...I always liked Kara and Brad Whitaker and Necros and Dalton's constantly smarmy, annoyed, 'I'm-smarter-than-all-of-the-rest-of-you' look. I think TLD represents the complete package for a Bond film; it has a romance you can believe, credible action sequences, and a fairly complicated, twisting plot.

Roger Moore is still the best Bond, with Octopussy coming in just slightly behind TLD. Then my #3 film is FROM A VIEW TO A KILL. THUNDERBALL is probably #4, with DIE ANOTHER DAY #5.

Gravity's Silhouette wrote:

Avarice wrote:: Fantastic. Sick to death of the liberal-left bullshit that has trickled down even to James Bond forums.

I *get* that some people have objections to the death penalty for various reasons, but you have to also respect people who don't have a problem with the death penalty, and by "death penalty" in this case I'm referring to Bin Laden's execution back in May. Apparently it was even taboo among some at the CBn forums to express any sort of satisfaction or relief that Bin Laden had been assassinated. When it comes down to having to defend yourself for being glad that a mur-diddly-urderer of thousands of innocent lives is dead, you know we're not living in normal times anymore.

I can only imagine what the reaction would've been like if the old MI6 forum was still around at that time. Saint Mark would come in with his usual jibes at Imperialismo Yankee, shadowonthesun would be tut-tutting in 2000+ word posts, and CASINOROYALE would be declaring that Bin Laden's demise would be the basis for his next film (which, like all his other cinematic offerings, would be little more than hyperactive kids with plastic guns filmed on an inexpensive camcorder).

And, of course, at the first hint of actual debate, the mods would come in and close up shop.

CJB wrote:: CASINOROYALE would be declaring that Bin Laden's demise would be the basis for his next film (which, like all his other cinematic offerings, would be little more than hyperactive kids with plastic guns filmed on an inexpensive camcorder).

CASINOROYALE taking out Bin Laden would actually be my most anticipated release of the year, that is if the boy wizard were to embark on such a project. Screw Spiderman, Superman and Batman, the sight of our dome-headed hero leaping out from behind his garden hedge with his plastic Walther to stick two in the head of his boot polish-smeared, turban-wearing mate to the strains of David Arnold's masterpiece The Dead Don't Care About Vengeance would be the movie highlight of the year beyond question. If we suggested the idea of CASINOROYALE vs BIN LADEN to him, he'd probably go and film it. Is he still on MI6Book? Actually, that's a pretty big slap in the face if even CASINOROYALE buggered off in protest. laugh

Wonder if he knows how to shoot in 3D?

YouTube, Jason Statham, and Britney Spears have taught CASINOROYALE many things.

Gravity's Silhouette wrote:: Yes, it has become my favorite film. It's taken me a long time to say that because I didn't care much for it when I was 16 way back in....well, never mind that. But I think it almost takes an adult to appreciate TLD, and I've certainly felt in our "post 9/11 world" that the film is much more accessible and topical than before. And, it's not like there were never parts I didn't like...I always liked Kara and Brad Whitaker and Necros and Dalton's constantly smarmy, annoyed, 'I'm-smarter-than-all-of-the-rest-of-you' look. I think TLD represents the complete package for a Bond film; it has a romance you can believe, credible action sequences, and a fairly complicated, twisting plot.

Agreed. TLD is like a combination of FRWL intrigue/plot with OP-era action sequences.

Gravity's Silhouette wrote:: Roger Moore is still the best Bond, with Octopussy coming in just slightly behind TLD. Then my #3 film is FROM A VIEW TO A KILL. THUNDERBALL is probably #4, with DIE ANOTHER DAY #5.

TB's my #1. It is refreshing to see someone put DAD as high as #5. It's my favorite Brosnan Bond film and ranks around #15 for me.

Make sure to list your full rankings in this thread at your convenience-

https://bondandbeyond.forumotion.com/t33p45-rank-all-the-bond-films

Prince Kamal Khan wrote:: It is refreshing to see someone put DAD as high as #5. It's my favorite Brosnan Bond film

Same here, and it's interesting to see the film being linked through that top five to a couple of the later Moore films, because for me what separates Die Another Day from the three even bigger crapfests which preceded it is an occasional sense of a more mature and male James Bond, a world-weary agent for whom age is no longer on his side. There's also a far greater sense of balance to Brosnan's performance, not too dissimilar to the effortless charm yet somewhat more weary and serious Moore of FYEO, OP & AVTAK. Brosnan came as close as he was ever gonna get to nailing Bond with DAD, and the lack of smugness in his performance (not too dissimilar to Moore finally leaving behind the smugness of films like LALD & TSWLM) puts me on Bond's side in that film, as opposed to me simply looking on incredulously as Bond is constantly pussified, as was the case in films like GE and TWINE.

Also like late-era Moore, Brosnan now finds his enemies to be younger than him in DAD which makes Bond seem welcomely a bit more old school and mature as a result. i could never put DAD anywhere near as high as number 5 personally, but I do think it's the best Brosnan film mostly due to the leading man finally setlling in and going from idiotic lovestruck dufus in the previous film to simply a solid and confident Bond in DAD. It's the one Brosnan film which occasionally feels like a Cubby Bond film; Bond smokes, shags, hooks up with old-school foreign allies, doesn't put up with M's psychological blarney and struts his stuff to the strains of Arnold's most confident Bond score, one in which he finally embraces the very few things he's good at, notably just covering up his lack of any melodies of real length or depth by dressing his cues up with some tricksy techno urgency and confidence.

Prince Kamal Khan wrote:: Agreed. TLD is like a combination of FRWL intrigue/plot with OP-era action sequences.

TLD is a very watchable Bond film, despite Dalt's emotional histrionics. And Bond's falling head over heals for Kara is among my favourite screen puppy loves of all time. It makes me cry, especially the ferris wheel scene :( ;)
Watched DAD again the other day. I actually love this film. It's now hands now the best of the Brozzers , at least for its sheer fun entertainment value. I am not going to put it ahead of any of the first 14 films but its pushing the Dalts duo for status in the post Moore, bottom 8.

Mr. Brown wrote:: YouTube, Jason Statham, and Britney Spears have taught CASINOROYALE many things.

The first taught him that people will watch any old shit if you put it on the internet, the second taught him that some men get to CHOOSE whether to be bald or not, and the third taught him confusion over being aroused by something but thinking it was a sin to then do anything about it.

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Hello all, this is Kennon.

I take it it's customary for rookies to introduce themselves? Well, that's me. Bond fan since 1979, have read all the Flemings, Gardners, Bensons. Capitulated with DMC after a third of the way. Endured Carte Blanche. Found Pearson very entertaining and Amis close enough. No idea about Moneypenny or Young Bond as yet.

Films are a difficult thing for me. I can enjoy most of them but hardly ever really think they live up to the books. That's why I think the best Bond film is yet to come, in a far distant future in another galaxy or so.

Anyway, here I am. Nice to meet you.

Hey welcome, Kennon!

I'm Fae - in case my username didn't clue you in and I hope you enjoy your time here :)

Kennon wrote:: Films are a difficult thing for me. I can enjoy most of them but hardly ever really think they live up to the books. That's why I think the best Bond film is yet to come, in a far distant future in another galaxy or so.

I completely agree to an extent in that I tend to look at the two things in different lights - I enjoy them for different reasons ...

... mind you that is talking films vs books debate in general. I am yet to read all the Bond novels (its on my Bucket List)

Welcome aboard, Kennon.

You're a bit young for a 'bucket list', Fae.

Blunt Instrument wrote:: Welcome aboard, Kennon.

You're a bit young for a 'bucket list', Fae.

Never too young.

You never know what is going to happen, BI. Sad fact of life.

Welcome aboard Kennon, hope you enjoy the forums.

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Blunt Instrument wrote:: Welcome aboard, Kennon.

You're a bit young for a 'bucket list', Fae.

Never too young.

You never know what is going to happen, BI. Sad fact of life.

Well, true ... but I'd still like to think it'll be manys a year before you're being 'measured for your box', as it were :) .

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Fae wrote:: You never know what is going to happen, BI. Sad fact of life.

Well, now, that's not true, is it, Fae? In a Bond film you know he's going to be tall, dark, handsome, a FFF-er, and have plenty of decent one-liners.

Ah. I see what you mean. :|

Avarice wrote:

Fae wrote:: You never know what is going to happen, BI. Sad fact of life.

Well, now, that's not true, is it, Fae? In a Bond film you know he's going to be tall, dark, handsome, a FFF-er, and have plenty of decent one-liners.

Ah. I see what you mean. :|

Life's tough.

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Thanks for the welcome.

Indeed, films and books have to be regarded as two different things, and judged for their own merits. Films for the most part are big business today. The object of that business is pretty much secondary to the revenue. If it wasn't Bond that brought the cash it would be some other character. That's why some of the films can at times feel awfully superficial; it's often about the elements that sell, the action, shootouts, clean sex and glitzy sets and locales. All that tacked onto Bond with little regard for the story and the character himself. But it's debatable if the original of the books would be selling as many tickets as the movie version.

Subject: a Thu Aug 18, 2011 2:04 pm

Lazenby. wrote:

Prince Kamal Khan wrote:: It is refreshing to see someone put DAD as high as #5. It's my favorite Brosnan Bond film

Same here, and it's interesting to see the film being linked through that top five to a couple of the later Moore films, because for me what separates Die Another Day from the three even bigger crapfests which preceded it is an occasional sense of a more mature and male James Bond, a world-weary agent for whom age is no longer on his side. There's also a far greater sense of balance to Brosnan's performance, not too dissimilar to the effortless charm yet somewhat more weary and serious Moore of FYEO, OP & AVTAK. Brosnan came as close as he was ever gonna get to nailing Bond with DAD, and the lack of smugness in his performance (not too dissimilar to Moore finally leaving behind the smugness of films like LALD & TSWLM) puts me on Bond's side in that film, as opposed to me simply looking on incredulously as Bond is constantly pussified, as was the case in films like GE and TWINE.

Also like late-era Moore, Brosnan now finds his enemies to be younger than him in DAD which makes Bond seem welcomely a bit more old school and mature as a result. i could never put DAD anywhere near as high as number 5 personally, but I do think it's the best Brosnan film mostly due to the leading man finally setlling in and going from idiotic lovestruck dufus in the previous film to simply a solid and confident Bond in DAD. It's the one Brosnan film which occasionally feels like a Cubby Bond film; Bond smokes, shags, hooks up with old-school foreign allies, doesn't put up with M's psychological blarney and struts his stuff to the strains of Arnold's most confident Bond score, one in which he finally embraces the very few things he's good at, notably just covering up his lack of any melodies of real length or depth by dressing his cues up with some tricksy techno urgency and confidence.

That damn near makes me want to watch DAD again for the first time in four years. Damn near.

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