Bond 25 (2019)

There's another bit in First Class where Fassbender is rocking a grey three-piece very similar to Connery's in Goldfinger.

And another little Bond link in that clip ... that's the bank official from CR whose hand Fassbender/Magneto sticks the knife into.

https://hmssweblog.wordpress.com/2017/06/24/caveat-emptor-new-rumor-eon-wants-a-007-universe/

Don't see how they can do a Bond universe. They have only got Bond truly right once in the last 15 years. If true, perhaps it's a ploy to work with Dench again, and explore her early career, as suggested for SF.

The only one I would have been interested in seeing would be Wai Lin's... That ship has sailed now.

FieldsMan wrote:

https://hmssweblog.wordpress.com/2017/06/24/caveat-emptor-new-rumor-eon-wants-a-007-universe/

Don't see how they can do a Bond universe. They have only got Bond truly right once in the last 15 years. If true, perhaps it's a ploy to work with Dench again, and explore her early career, as suggested for SF.

The only one I would have been interested in seeing would be Wai Lin's... That shipped has sailed now.  

I was an advocate for this.....20 years ago. I thought it was a good idea to explore other storylines in between waiting for 007 films to come out.

But as you said, the ship has sailed...sort of.

The most likely area of exploration would be the other 00-agents. If they had films based on the adventures of other 00-agents, they could conceivably go down the road of having a black 00-agent, a female 00-agent, a gay 00-agent, without having to sacrifice who 007 is. EON is probably looking at films such THE FORCE AWAKENS, ROGUE ONE, HUNGER GAMES and WONDER WOMAN and wanting to have a female-driven movie project of their own. Creating a new role for Idris Elba satisfies a lot of people's desire to see him play a role similar to 007.


However, the "universe" films lately have been hit and miss...no guarantee of success...and it's sad that EON is no longer an innovator where Bond is concerned, but periodically following other people's trends. And even if they go this route, by the time they get a shared-universe film out in theaters, audiences may have grown completely tired of it. Too many films out right now that are barely anything more than set-ups for future, better movies (KING ARTHUR; THE MUMMY, PROMETHEUS/ALIEN COVENANT) and the audience is catching on.

If SPECTRE taught us anything, it's that we really may not need to know the origins of some of these characters. Maybe a bit of mystery is still a good thing.

Oh FFS, just smother the martini-guzzling bastard with a pillow and be done with it.

Can't help but be amused by that 'universe' rumour, considering that once upon a time other 00 agents' appearances in the franchise tended to be just so that they could get killed off.

Cara Delevingne is supposedly being considered for a role of a strong female character in Bond 25. Of course, entirely made up by Mirror*.

Hope it's a villainess/henchman. MO: Death by Eyebrows.

*Not linking article to win the war against fake news and clickbaiting. Just saw a headline.

Bond 25 to be released in 2019. Cast, director and distributor will be announced at a later date.

https://www.facebook.com/JamesBond007GB/posts/1484604704965675

As much as it pains me to say it, I imagine Craig will be back now. To have an official announcement so soon after a 'source' claimed that he's coming back...

November 8th 2019??????

Well the 4 years 'distance' from QoS worked for Skyfall but this is really dragging it...a couple of 4 year interludes makes Craig the lazy one, albeit the longest serving Bond @ 13 years.

My daughter will become a teenager in 2019...crikey....

I don't buy into that whole days-serving-as-Bond... Moore and Connery are the two longest serving based on the films they made - 7 and 6 respectively.

Supposedly this particular four year gap will make it the longest gap between movies since LTK and GE.

FieldsMan wrote:

I don't buy into that whole days-serving-as-Bond... Moore and Connery are the two longest serving based on the films they made - 7 and 6 respectively.

Supposedly this particular four year gap will make it the longest gap between movies since LTK and GE.

Did we forget about the gap between QOS and SKYFALL?

I wouldn't have minded waiting 4 years for another film if I knew I was getting something better and different from what we got with SPECTRE...but to wait all this time and for what? So Craig could decide if he really wanted to come back or not?

This bites.

FieldsMan wrote:

Cara Delevingne is supposedly being considered for a role of a strong female character in Bond 25. Of course, entirely made up by Mirror*.

Hope it's a villainess/henchman. MO: Death by Eyebrows.

*Not linking article to win the war against fake news and clickbaiting. Just saw a headline.

A "strong female character"? For once I just wish we'd get someone associated with this production to say that they're writing a weak, powerless, sex-kitten role for some up-and-coming ingenue.

Besides, Cara Delevingne was awful in SUICIDE SQUAD and was no help to VALERIAN AND THE CITY OF A THOUSAND PLANETS, so what would she bring to BOND25?

Gravity's Silhouette wrote:

FieldsMan wrote:

I don't buy into that whole days-serving-as-Bond... Moore and Connery are the two longest serving based on the films they made - 7 and 6 respectively.

Supposedly this particular four year gap will make it the longest gap between movies since LTK and GE.

Did we forget about the gap between QOS and SKYFALL?

Given the fascination with how many days each actor has been in the role, I imagine someone counted the amount of days between DAD-CR, QOS-SF and SP-Bond25. It's probably only a few weeks difference, but enough to place the SP-Bond25 hiatus in the lead (and hence, second to the LTK-GE gap).

The Cara Delevingne story is BS. They're still writing the script, and only just got an American release date (not even a UK one). Cara probably found out she is being offered a role when she saw the headline, like everyone else.

EDIT: Babs to sell off Bond?

If they sell it to Disney then we'd get a new prequel every year ("How Money became Penny;" How Eh became M."

CJB wrote:

If they sell it to Disney then we'd get a new prequel every year ("How Money became Penny;" How Eh became M."

Q, Q2, Qt and Q the Winged Scientist.

Tanner the early years, Tanner the early currency, Tanner shades of Orange

I think Disney are actually doing a scientific study to determine how many pre/sequels it takes before all the life is gone from a franchise....important work.

lachesis wrote:

CJB wrote:

If they sell it to Disney then we'd get a new prequel every year ("How Money became Penny;" How Eh became M."

Q, Q2, Qt and Q the Winged Scientist.

Tanner the early years, Tanner the early currency, Tanner shades of Orange

I think Disney are actually doing a scientific study to determine how many pre/sequels it takes before all the life is gone from a franchise....important work.

As much as I dislike some of what Barbara has done with the series lately, I'm not convinced new ownership would be any better. In fact, it may only expedite the fate that I believe is inevitable for 007: namely, that everything we've ever known, liked or accepted about James Bond will be completely and utterly sacrificed to the Gods of Political Correctness and from the ashes will rise.....well, I'll leave it at that for now.

Honestly, if another James Bond 007 movie was never made, I'd probably be okay with that. I've got 20 great 007 films (plus NSNA) that I can always watch with fond nostalgia. I've got all the Fleming and Gardner books, plus a few of the others.

I guess I'm starting to transition out of the demographic these studios are aiming for because, as the older I get, the more I seem to appreciate what we had, not what we've got. I guess I'm a sexist, misogynistic dinosaur myself, because I want to go back to the time when the films were light escapism....not social commentary.

But I digress. I don't think the series lends itself to spin-offs and universe building in quite the same way as Star Wars, or other comic book properties. Still, there is opportunity, I just don't foresee TPTB doing it right.

Gravity's Silhouette wrote:

But I digress. I don't think the series lends itself to spin-offs and universe building in quite the same way as Star Wars, or other comic book properties. Still, there is opportunity, I just don't foresee TPTB doing it right.

I don't see long lines waiting to see a Felix Leiter spin-off. Especially if it stars libtard moron Jeffrey Wright.

bitchcraft wrote:

Gravity's Silhouette wrote:

But I digress. I don't think the series lends itself to spin-offs and universe building in quite the same way as Star Wars, or other comic book properties. Still, there is opportunity, I just don't foresee TPTB doing it right.

I don't see long lines waiting to see a Felix Leiter spin-off. Especially if it stars libtard moron Jeffrey Wright.

A question put to a James Bond FB group asked who their favourite Leiter was. Wright had huge support, which puzzles me. He's useless in QOS, and a has the same sullen personality as Craig in CR. Shouldn't be surprised though - Jack Lord was underrepresented, with one goon suggesting that he couldn't take him seriously wearing those glasses.

FieldsMan wrote:

bitchcraft wrote:

Gravity's Silhouette wrote:

But I digress. I don't think the series lends itself to spin-offs and universe building in quite the same way as Star Wars, or other comic book properties. Still, there is opportunity, I just don't foresee TPTB doing it right.

I don't see long lines waiting to see a Felix Leiter spin-off. Especially if it stars libtard moron Jeffrey Wright.

A question put to a James Bond FB group asked who their favourite Leiter was. Wright had huge support, which puzzles me. He's useless in QOS, and a has the same sullen personality as Craig in CR. Shouldn't be surprised though - Jack Lord was underrepresented, with one goon suggesting that he couldn't take him seriously wearing those glasses.

I've noticed that Bond-related commentary on Facebook tends to be several shades dumber than even the worst of MI6 Cum-Unity. When they're not pimping for Idris Elbow to succeed Cregg, Jason Statham's name seems to come up a lot. I have to blame both the Brosnan and Craig eras for this. A whole generation has grown up thinking of Bond as nothing more than a vaguely-English Hollywood action hero with a machine gun in his hands, an ammunition belt in his teeth, and a diversity training manual in his back pocket. Charisma, charm, wit, culture all play second fiddle if they play at all.

The Leiter poll you cite is merely symptomatic of everything new being rated nice and shiny and better by those who want Bond to be nothing more than an inoffensive, joyless shoot-'em-up video game, rather than the exploits of a man (can we still use that word?) who would rightly send Buzzfeed into a meltdown by fucking, drinking, smoking, and damn well enjoying it. Wright, to the Broz-Cregg class of Bond Watcher, is great because he's part of the current Bond's circle; never mind that's he's boring as bat shit, more-so when compared to even lesser-rated Leiters like Cec Linder.

Gravity's Silhouette wrote:

Honestly, if another James Bond 007 movie was never made, I'd probably be okay with that. I've got 20 great 007 films (plus NSNA) that I can always watch with fond nostalgia. I've got all the Fleming and Gardner books, plus a few of the others.

I guess I'm starting to transition out of the demographic these studios are aiming for because, as  the older I get, the more I seem to appreciate what we had, not what we've got. I guess I'm  a sexist, misogynistic dinosaur myself, because I want to go back to the time when the films were light escapism....not social commentary.

Looks like we are at the same point...and it extends beyond just Bond, there is a modern pretension that demands that everything new is somehow better when it actually exists leeching from the past for what is good and displaying a woeful lack of creativity or invention in every other area. To proclaim CR so highly and depreciate the first 6 films in the franchise is imho a criminal misrepresentation... I think time will tell but the consequence and impact of the current generation has already done its damage. I think you are right, even out of Brocolli's hands, the precedents have been set that whatever Bond we would get going forward will be either unrecognisable or worse overtly contrary to what we grew up loving.

Director shortlist (none are Nolan):

http://deadline.com/2017/07/james-bond-director-short-list-yann-demange-denis-villenueve-david-mackenzie-1202136402/

Yann Demange frontrunner:
http://variety.com/2017/film/news/yann-demange-bond-25-daniel-craig-likely-to-return-1202507288/

CJB wrote:

FieldsMan wrote:

bitchcraft wrote:

Gravity's Silhouette wrote:

But I digress. I don't think the series lends itself to spin-offs and universe building in quite the same way as Star Wars, or other comic book properties. Still, there is opportunity, I just don't foresee TPTB doing it right.

I don't see long lines waiting to see a Felix Leiter spin-off. Especially if it stars libtard moron Jeffrey Wright.

A question put to a James Bond FB group asked who their favourite Leiter was. Wright had huge support, which puzzles me. He's useless in QOS, and a has the same sullen personality as Craig in CR. Shouldn't be surprised though - Jack Lord was underrepresented, with one goon suggesting that he couldn't take him seriously wearing those glasses.

I've noticed that Bond-related commentary on Facebook tends to be several shades dumber than even the worst of MI6 Cum-Unity. When they're not pimping for Idris Elbow to succeed Cregg, Jason Statham's name seems to come up a lot. I have to blame both the Brosnan and Craig eras for this. A whole generation has grown up thinking of Bond as nothing more than a vaguely-English Hollywood action hero with a machine gun in his hands, an ammunition belt in his teeth, and a diversity training manual in his back pocket. Charisma, charm, wit, culture all play second fiddle if they play at all.

The Leiter poll you cite is merely symptomatic of everything new being rated nice and shiny and better by those who want Bond to be nothing more than an inoffensive, joyless shoot-'em-up video game, rather than the exploits of a man (can we still use that word?) who would rightly send Buzzfeed into a meltdown by fucking, drinking, smoking, and damn well enjoying it. Wright, to the Broz-Cregg class of Bond Watcher, is great because he's part of the current Bond's circle; never mind that's he's boring as bat shit, more-so when compared to even lesser-rated Leiters like Cec Linder.

You're probably right in blaming both the Brosnan and Craig eras, even if I place Brosnan's tenure at the same level as Connery's. I suppose the opening of GE (mowing down the Russians) and the end of TND wouldn't help matters despite my high opinion of both of the films, but at least Brosnan brought the charm and charisma that's necessary for the role.

And yes, I should know better than to take a FB poll on face value. Unfortunately it's probably the first point of call for Eon to gauge how audiences are receiving their product. I just hope they realise that the loudest voices aren't necessarily the most intelligent. I guess I'm making it my job is to plant modicums of truths and wisdom to educate them as to what James Bond is about.

lachesis wrote:

To proclaim CR so highly and depreciate the first 6 films in the franchise is imho a criminal misrepresentation... I think time will tell but the consequence and impact of the current generation has already done its damage. I think you are right, even out of Brocolli's hands, the precedents have been set that whatever Bond we would get going forward will be either unrecognisable or worse overtly contrary to what we grew up loving.

Agreed 100% with your first statement, but I have to disagree when your next point. I'm not sure what our age difference is (I imagine I'm younger), but I believe we do have similar tastes-- and perhaps it's an exception to the rule. That said, it isn't my generation that's churning out knock offs of the excellent films of yesteryear. Sure, we're consuming it, and that doesn't help the cause, since there's a relationship between box office results and popular films, but something needs to be said of those who continue to make the stuff. It also should be noted that perhaps the largest portion of film goers are seniors - at least that's the case in Australia.

Grav wrote:

Director shortlist (none are Nolan):

http://deadline.com/2017/07/james-bond-director-short-list-yann-demange-denis-villenueve-david-mackenzie-1202136402/

Yann Demange frontrunner:
http://variety.com/2017/film/news/yann-demange-bond-25-daniel-craig-likely-to-return-1202507288/

Great to see Nolan off the list. I didn't mind Hell or High Water, but I'm not sure he's entirely suited to Bond. Thought Arrival was rather dull, and again, I find him to be an odd choice for 007. I haven't seen the work by Yann Demange, so I can't comment, though it's strange that after an acclaimed director such as Mendes, they appear to be taking a step backwards - not to devalue them, of course.

I read elsewhere that they it's unlikely a new Bond would be introduced with a less experienced director in regards to these three. If that's the case, I'd be hugely disappointed if Craig returns. And this is in line with what Nolan said: that he wants to jump on board when Eon need to reinvent. Fuck me dead - a sullen lead actor, an anaemic film director and a feminazi producer... Not what you'd associate with James Bond.

All of this could be speculation; red herrings like Ellie Goulding was for SP's theme song.

FieldsMan wrote:

Agreed 100% with your first statement, but I have to disagree when your next point. I'm not sure what our age difference is (I imagine I'm younger), but I believe we do have similar tastes-- and perhaps it's an exception to the rule. That said, it isn't my generation that's churning out knock offs of the excellent films of yesteryear. Sure, we're consuming it, and that doesn't help the cause, since there's a relationship between box office results and popular films, but something needs to be said of those who continue to make the stuff. It also should be noted that perhaps the largest portion of film goers are seniors - at least that's the case in Australia.

Well I am now batting beyond my first half century (an optimistic phrase if ever there was one) and confess the transformation into grumpy old man is well advanced.

However my reference to generation is probably a bad choice of words here - there is a shift imo that occurs in the early 2000's in the way emotions are presented (it occurs earlier but I think around this time comes to be more dominant/frequent).... its less about the audience per se as about the way the film-makers perceive the audience. Increasingly we need to rationalise ever facet or action, to subtitle and labour every emotive moment. I'm getting old, I'm British and I long for the 'stiff upper lip' to return and for people to stop wallowing in their own self import.. a trend completely opposite to the travel of the last 20 or so years it seems and incredibly like GS I think I would prefer if they didn't make another Bond movie, or Dr Who episode or Blade Runner sequel...etc etc.

I suppose I better just grab my Zimmer and take a trip to the medicine cupboard.....nurse....Nurse its leaked again!

Variety and Deadline and pretty legit publications. If they're reporting this, then I'd say there's a good amount of truth behind it.

I'd say Villeneuve is hardly a step back from Mendes. All his film's are very critically acclaimed, and he's probably my favorite working director right now...but I'm not sure he has the right sensibilities for Bond. He's said in the past (publicly, too) that he wants the gig, but I can't imagine a filmmaker of his acclaim being too interested in playing by Barbara's rules unless she decided to reboot the series again, but with a radically different spin.

The franchise does indeed seem pretty directionless right now. Hopefully we'll get some answers soon...

Having just sat through Kong: Skull Island I think Tom Hiddlestone would be a poor choice...still I prefer the idea of him to Daniel Craig....tbh I prefer the idea of Samuel L Jackson or John Goodman as Bond to Craig.......