The Issue of Racism in America

Gravity's Silhouette wrote:

tiffanywint wrote:

Perilagu Khan wrote:

Nothing to see here folks. Just a bit of madcap tomfoolery at the University of Memphis. Ah, but had that doll been black and the pinata-bashers a bunch of frat boy whiteys...

CNBC would have had its' lead story for the next month.

And President Obama would've addressed the nation and said: "If Sasha had a doll it would look just like the one those fratboys hung from a tree and used as a pinata."

I wonder, when Obama mused that Trayvon could be the son he never had, was he trying to say that he wished he had a punk-kid son. Very odd.

I'm perfectly willing to accept that the kids really meant no harm. They don't appear to be malicious. But what's strange to me is that the pinata is fashioned as a human being. Forgive my unforgiveable cultural ignorance, but aren't pinatas typically fashioned after donkeys or some such animals?

Chief of SIS wrote:

Gravity's Silhouette wrote:

Look at the response of the people in Haiti when their earthquake hit in 2009 and the response of the people of Japan when their earthquake and tsunami hit. It tells you everything you need to know about the different cultures and races on our planet.

Culture and race are not perfectly synonymous. Your example is one of culture. Culture develops based on economic, religious, and historical factors. Race as I believe we're discussing it is, is a biological attribute. To say that Japanese people as a race responded the way they did compared to Haitians is a cultural attribute. Saying Japanese people acted that way because they were oriental is off the mark.

Some people are prepared to link culture with race. I don't know where you live, but here in Atlanta we have what is termed "black culture" and "white culture" and I don't see anything wrong with that as long as it abides by the law. But dare a black person deign to do something that white people enjoy doing (ex: fall festivals, hay rides, wine and cheese tasting parties; gardening clubs)....all of a sudden that rogue black person has to be brought back among his own people or he's considered "uppity", or "trying to act white". Black Americans have a very distinct culture, a very distinct way of responding to adversity, a very distinct dialect....it is what it is. But it doesn't work well with Whites, Jews, and any other immigrant that comes from foreign lands and who doesn't carry the emotional baggage of knowing their people enslaved blacks centuries ago. These SW Indian and Oriental-Asians that move over to the U.S.....they have a hard, hard time with black customers. They don't trust black customers, black customers threaten them, constantly trying to steal from them, and now Marion Berry (reelected to the 4th Ward in Washington D.C.) says his administration needs to figure out a way to get rid of these Asians and their dirty stores. I've got a better idea. Instead of focusing all your energies into closing down Dong Bang grocery store, why don't all the blacks in the neighborhood pool their resources, open up their own convenience stores, run it, make it profitable, and then sell it to a bigger chain?

Perilagu Khan wrote:

If perfectly willing to accept that the kids really meant no harm. They don't appear to be malicious. But what's strange to me is that the pinata is fashioned as a human being. Forgive my unforgiveable cultural ignorance, but aren't pinatas typically fashioned after donkeys or some such animals?

It is very odd, and one wonders if some adult with a statement to make, is playing with the kids heads, but I can leave it at that. Not being a liberal, I'm not going to have a meltdown. Who knows what the doll "represents". I don't want to get the Thought Police involved. Liberals already have them running ragged, as it is.

Have fun kids. Beat the stuffing out of that pinata, but watch you don't bump into the tree.

Gravity's Silhouette wrote:

These SW Indian and Oriental-Asians that move over to the U.S.....they have a hard, hard time with black customers. They don't trust black customers, black customers threaten them, constantly trying to steal from them, and now Marion Berry (reelected to the 4th Ward in Washington D.C.) says his administration needs to figure out a way to get rid of these Asians and their dirty stores. I've got a better idea. Instead of focusing all your energies into closing down Dong Bang grocery store, why don't all the blacks in the neighborhood pool their resources, open up their own convenience stores, run it, make it profitable, and then sell it to a bigger chain?

Are you out of your mind?

After all, these pesky, ambitious Indians and Asians come to America sometimes with very modest beginnings....work damn fucking hard in those little stores while they send their kids to school to become doctors and scientists. Gradually these families accumulate wealth, move into better neighbourhoods, and climb the social and economic ladder. In other words, they PROSPER.

On the other hand, the Berry brigade (spiteful, vindictive and malicious blacks) who were born 20-30 years ago and have spent their whole lives in the USA have SQUAT to show 30 years later. It's easier to hurl abuses at other minorities and tell them to go back where they came from. These type of blacks, like Marion Berry, can go fuck themselves.

Getting back to Zimmerman for a second. I think he profiled Trayvon mainly because he looked like a punk.

That look isn't confined to any particular race. I live in a big multi-racial city, (Toronto). That look and attitude transcends ethnicity. We've got that look well represented, from pale to dark and everything inbetween.

Parents need to de-punk their kids. A single-mother friend of mine, with three teenage male yoof, went ballistic on her 15 year-old when he started sporting a hoodie. She kicked his skinny butt, banned the hoodie, and told him to pull his pants up. She tends to overcompensate because there's no father around, to keep her 3 yoof in line.

Mrs Aural Sects wrote:

Gravity's Silhouette wrote:

These SW Indian and Oriental-Asians that move over to the U.S.....they have a hard, hard time with black customers. They don't trust black customers, black customers threaten them, constantly trying to steal from them, and now Marion Berry (reelected to the 4th Ward in Washington D.C.) says his administration needs to figure out a way to get rid of these Asians and their dirty stores. I've got a better idea. Instead of focusing all your energies into closing down Dong Bang grocery store, why don't all the blacks in the neighborhood pool their resources, open up their own convenience stores, run it, make it profitable, and then sell it to a bigger chain?

Are you out of your mind?

After all, these pesky, ambitious Indians and Asians come to America sometimes with very modest beginnings....work damn fucking hard in those little stores while they send their kids to school to become doctors and scientists. Gradually these families accumulate wealth, move into better neighbourhoods, and climb the social and economic ladder. In other words, they PROSPER.

On the other hand, the Berry brigade (spiteful, vindictive and malicious blacks) who were born 20-30 years ago and have spent their whole lives in the USA have SQUAT to show 30 years later. It's easier to hurl abuses at other minorities and tell them to go back where they came from. These type of blacks, like Marion Berry, can go fuck themselves.

#1 Yes, I"m out of my mind
#2 The sarcasm was lost on you. Of course black Americans aren't going to pool their resources and create wealth; that's why Asian immigrants do better in 20-30 years than blacks have an entire lifetime.
#3 I was trying to work "Dong Bang" into a sentence that wasn't in a porn-related thread.

Okay, I admit this looks KIND OF racist. And that was certainly how the story was initially being reported....until word got out that the creator of this "performance art" cake is an Afro-Swede??? or Afro-American. Now some of the news organizations are trying to back-peddle just a little bit.

Here's the artist's Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Makode-Linde/92718443762

Here's the video of the artist "screaming" everytime someone cuts into the cake:


And, as usual, gullible, well-meaning, liberal white people have fallen into the trap of thinking something with racial overtones is okay if they have a black friend with them, or a black person is creating the "art". Now there are calls for the Culture Minister of Sweden to resign. I wonder if the same people praising Robert Mapplethorpe's visionary "Piss Christ" feel the same way about this piece of "performance art". Probably not.

http://observers.france24.com/content/20120417-sweden-culture-minister-under-fire-over-images-racist-cake-genitals-cutting-stockholm-moderna-museet

I think what bothers a lot of people about the video is that the white people don't seem to have a problem with tearing into a cake that is made to look like an African woman. Doesn't bother me any. I haven't laughed this hard at a cake being cut since THE NAKED GUN.

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And, as usual, gullible, well-meaning, liberal white people have fallen into the trap of thinking something with racial overtones is okay

Give them credit though. It's hard work being a liberal. Always having to knowing when to be offended and when not.

tiffanywint wrote:

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And, as usual, gullible, well-meaning, liberal white people have fallen into the trap of thinking something with racial overtones is okay

Give them credit though. It's hard work being a liberal. Always having to knowing when to be offended and when not.

Rule of thumb: when the joke is at the expense of conservatives or white people, racial humor is acceptable. When the target of the joke is any non-White demographic, it is racist. No exceptions.

If you look again at that photograph I linked to, there's not a non-white face to be found. Furthermore, the possibility that people were laughing and enjoying themselves, and the cake, without getting the 'deep social message' the cake was intended to make, is simply unacceptable. We can't have people laughing, joking AND missing the point of the cake. I have to say, I laughed my ass off at the video which, I guess, makes me a waaaacist.

I mean, here you've got a black "artist" IN BLACK-FACE making a gruesome statement about female genital mutilation, and all these bleeding-heart, feel-good, champagne-Socialists, limousine liberals are laughing and joking and eating and drinking without a care in the world. It could not have backfired on the crowd any better if the artist intended for it to happen that way (which I'm suspecting he wanted to happen all along).

ABC’s ‘The Bachelor’ & ‘The Bachelorette’ Sued For Racial Discrimination

Football players Nathaniel Claybrooks and Christopher Johnson filed a class-action lawsuit today in federal court in Nashville against The Bachelor and The Bachelorette for racial discrimination. According to the suit (read it here exclusively), “over the course of 23 seasons, not one time has the show’s eclectic mix ever included a Bachelor or Bachelorette who is a person of color.” Seeking unstated damages and fees, the 24-page filing also asks the court “that an injunction be issued requiring Defendants to consider persons of color as finalists for the role of the Bachelor and the Bachelorette.”

More at: http://www.deadline.com/2012/04/abc%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%98the-bachelor%E2%80%99-%E2%80%98the-bachelorette%E2%80%99-sued-for-racial-discrimination/

Gravity's Silhouette wrote:

ABC’s ‘The Bachelor’ & ‘The Bachelorette’ Sued For Racial Discrimination

Football players Nathaniel Claybrooks and Christopher Johnson filed a class-action lawsuit today in federal court in Nashville against The Bachelor and The Bachelorette for racial discrimination. According to the suit (read it here exclusively), “over the course of 23 seasons, not one time has the show’s eclectic mix ever included a Bachelor or Bachelorette who is a person of color.” Seeking unstated damages and fees, the 24-page filing also asks the court “that an injunction be issued requiring Defendants to consider persons of color as finalists for the role of the Bachelor and the Bachelorette.”

More at: http://www.deadline.com/2012/04/abc%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%98the-bachelor%E2%80%99-%E2%80%98the-bachelorette%E2%80%99-sued-for-racial-discrimination/

Please stop the insanity! :affraid:

This is hardly worth even commenting on it's so stupid. I don't blame the dummies for playing the race-card. They are too dense or too liberal (often the same thing) to know any better, but please the lawyers representing them only re-inforce the notion that lawyers are truly the lowest form of life on the planet. Anything for a buck.

Best-case scenario. The suit is tossed out. Lawyers give idiots a big bill. Idiots claim broke. Lawyers get screwed too. Not likely though. Lawyers always find a way to get paid.

Whatcha wanna bet these shows include "persons of color" in the future? It is through this slimy path that diversity at all cost advances. Nobody, and I do mean nobody, in a position of power has the guts to tell these idiots to go to hell. They just don't have the intestinal fortitude to withstand the schellacking they'll take from the Leftist media and shining beacons of morality such as Sharpton, Jackson, the New Black Panthers and Obama.

Gravity's Silhouette wrote:

I mean, here you've got a black "artist" IN BLACK-FACE making a gruesome statement about female genital mutilation, and all these bleeding-heart, feel-good, champagne-Socialists, limousine liberals are laughing and joking and eating and drinking without a care in the world. It could not have backfired on the crowd any better if the artist intended for it to happen that way (which I'm suspecting he wanted to happen all along).

This artist posed a terrible dilemma for liberals. This is probably one of the toughest calls they will ever have to make as to whether they "should" be offended.

Personnally I find the art distasteful. I would not participate, unless someone brought me a piece of thecake (then I would gobble it down. Cake is cake), but I wouldn't participate in the performance of the art. My choice. Simple. This is very provocative art.

The liberal on the other hand doesn't know what to do. They will go bonkers trying to figure out whether they should be offended or not. It's not an easy call. The pc stance is not apparent. Hope none of them suffered an aneurysm trying to figure out what to do.

Eg.

If I cut a piece of cake, am I being insensitive to genital mutilation?:affraid:

If I don't cut a piece of cake, am I being insensitive to the deeper meaning that might be implied by the person-of-colour artist? :affraid:

The politician blew it though. The safe stance is not to participate, if you are a politician. If you do, you better be smart enough to explain, and have the courage of your convictions. Poor Minister had to apologize.

This artist is going to have progressives everywhere in therapy.

"It shouldn't be this hard. Why do I have to think and make my own decision. Oprah help? What is the correct answer? Aiiee" :affraid:

Perilagu Khan wrote:

Whatcha wanna bet these shows include "persons of color" in the future? It is through this slimy path that diversity at all cost advances. Nobody, and I do mean nobody, in a position of power has the guts to tell these idiots to go to hell. They just don't have the intestinal fortitude to withstand the schellacking they'll take from the Leftist media and shining beacons of morality such as Sharpton, Jackson, the New Black Panthers and Obama.

Have faith Khan. Some tv producers trump ratings over even their own pc inclinations. But some don't.

The dilemma. Oprah, what do we do?

tiffanywint wrote:

Please stop the insanity! :affraid:

This is hardly worth even commenting on it's so stupid.

Normally I would agree, but a lot of the comments I've read on this lawsuit at Deadline Hollywood and The Huffington Post are made by people so shockingly ignorant that it makes me fearful for the future. Comments like this:

All you clowns who have posted above are cretins or retards. That junk reality show has been on ABC for over 10 yrs., and has NOT had ONE person-of-color as the Bachelor/Bachelorette.

The FCC grants licenses to the networks (ABC/NBC/CBS/FOX) to air shows to America. This country is now quite diverse, and free TV should reflect that. Real talk.

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So does the elephant in the room have to be standing on your toes before you get it? In 23 SEASONS the show has never had a non-white bachelor/bachelorette. This isn’t just about these plaintiffs.

As I've said before, liberal "diversity" means having a "person of color" on your staff, show, program, etc...You are not truly "diverse" until you've got a token minority on your panel. Your life isn't as enriched as it could be by not having a wise Latina or an honorable, noble black man in it. But above all else, the underlying sentiment not necessarily stated is: how dare you white folks attempt to go on with your lives, enjoy your lives, and be happy and successful without the help, or inclusion thereof, a black person?

The game is definitely on. They're not trying to even hide what they are about anymore. Liberals feel you, me, and everyone else have no right to be satisfied being around our own kind of people. We will be FORCED to include people who don't look like us whether we want it or not.

That's true, Gravy. I read recently about Obama's justice department suing a landlord in New Jersey because his property wasn't "diverse" enough. I forget the particulars, but fortunately, the landlord won the case.

Hidden camera test....

Gravity's Silhouette wrote:

ABC’s ‘The Bachelor’ & ‘The Bachelorette’ Sued For Racial Discrimination

Football players Nathaniel Claybrooks and Christopher Johnson filed a class-action lawsuit today in federal court in Nashville against The Bachelor and The Bachelorette for racial discrimination. According to the suit (read it here exclusively), “over the course of 23 seasons, not one time has the show’s eclectic mix ever included a Bachelor or Bachelorette who is a person of color.” Seeking unstated damages and fees, the 24-page filing also asks the court “that an injunction be issued requiring Defendants to consider persons of color as finalists for the role of the Bachelor and the Bachelorette.”

More at: http://www.deadline.com/2012/04/abc%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%98the-bachelor%E2%80%99-%E2%80%98the-bachelorette%E2%80%99-sued-for-racial-discrimination/

Can't they just sue it for being a terrible show?

Though it reminds me of how Neighbours - an Aussie soap popular in Pommystan - was described as "hideously white" by a British anti-racism watchdog. Yes, those words from a supposedly anti-racist organisation.

tiffanywint wrote:

Getting back to Zimmerman for a second. I think he profiled Trayvon mainly because he looked like a punk.

That look isn't confined to any particular race. I live in a big multi-racial city, (Toronto). That look and attitude transcends ethnicity. We've got that look well represented, from pale to dark and everything inbetween.

Parents need to de-punk their kids. A single-mother friend of mine, with three teenage male yoof, went ballistic on her 15 year-old when he started sporting a hoodie. She kicked his skinny butt, banned the hoodie, and told him to pull his pants up. She tends to overcompensate because there's no father around, to keep her 3 yoof in line.

I think you are going a bridge too far by associating something as harmless as a hoodie with being a punk. Being a punk is more about an attitude.

Are you telling us you have never in your life owned a hoodie?

Shoodie?

Salomé wrote:

Are you telling us you have never in your life owned a hoodie?

I bet even Erica has a clitoral hood....

Salomé wrote:

tiffanywint wrote:

Getting back to Zimmerman for a second. I think he profiled Trayvon mainly because he looked like a punk.

That look isn't confined to any particular race. I live in a big multi-racial city, (Toronto). That look and attitude transcends ethnicity. We've got that look well represented, from pale to dark and everything inbetween.

Parents need to de-punk their kids. A single-mother friend of mine, with three teenage male yoof, went ballistic on her 15 year-old when he started sporting a hoodie. She kicked his skinny butt, banned the hoodie, and told him to pull his pants up. She tends to overcompensate because there's no father around, to keep her 3 yoof in line.

I think you are going a bridge too far by associating something as harmless as a hoodie with being a punk. Being a punk is more about an attitude.

Are you telling us you have never in your life owned a hoodie?

I don't think so. Pretty sure no. I've never wanted a hood. I even resist hats and toques in winter.

I don't what the Euro culture is, but here a hoodie is common garb for yoof punks. My single mother friend knew of what she was doing. Her 15 year old was a little punk. I never let my car keys out of my sight when he was hanging around. She had her hands full with him.

A hoodie also deters survellance camera identification.

....but your point is taken. A hoodie in itself does not make one a punk-yoof. It's more about the attitude.

I wear hoodies when it's cold out to help keep me warm. I must be a black ghetto thug killer.

Jack Wade wrote:

I wear hoodies when it's cold out to help keep me warm. I must be a black ghetto thug killer.

But you need the "tude" as well. Are you 'bad" Wade?