The Issue of Racism in America

tiffanywint wrote:

CJB wrote:

tiffanywint wrote:

Who wrote that book, liberalism is a mental disorder?.

Michael Savage.

Yes, thanks Can't say I've read it, but the title is classic.

I have it. It's quite good. The following is one of my favorite Savage monologues:

Perilagu Khan wrote:

Savage, incidentally, has been banned from the UK.

He said he was so sad he'd never be able to experience English cuisine and dental care.

Prince Kamal Khan wrote:

He said he was so sad he'd never be able to experience English cuisine and dental care.

"English dental care"....Isn't that a bit of an oxymoron?

I can't take Michael Savage. He's right that liberalism is a mental disorder, but he's the wrong messenger.

Prince Kamal Khan wrote:

I have it. It's quite good. The following is one of my favorite Savage monologues:

" I just really want to be a guy that loves the Obamas"

Gravity's Silhouette wrote:

Prince Kamal Khan wrote:

He said he was so sad he'd never be able to experience English cuisine and dental care.

"English dental care"....Isn't that a bit of an oxymoron?

I can't take Michael Savage. He's right that liberalism is a mental disorder, but he's the wrong messenger.

I think he's great. I like the way he takes no prisoners. Then, if I want someone similar but calmer I'll listen to Dennis Prager.

tiffanywint wrote:

Prince Kamal Khan wrote:

I have it. It's quite good. The following is one of my favorite Savage monologues:

" I just really want to be a guy that loves the Obamas"

Indeed, timmer. I also like his comment: "Actors are always right. That's why people pay to see them act so much. There so good at acting, therefore they must be right about politics. And they're never wrong about anything."

Here's another good one:

NAACP, Local Advocates File Discrimination Complaint Against FCPS

Fascinating article about a discrimination complaint filed this week by the NAACP.

A complaint filed Monday by two local advocacy groups alleges Fairfax County Public Schools is perpetuating discrimination against black, Latino and disabled students through the admission process for Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology (TJHSST)

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While black and Hispanic students make up about 10 percent and 22 percent of the FCPS student body, respectively, they make up 1.5 percent and 2.7 percent of the TJHSST student body, the complaint says.

In the complaint, Hone and Glassman argue that adjusting the admissions criteria to weigh test scores more heavily will only lead to similar disproportionate numbers at TJHSST.

http://mountvernon.patch.com/articles/naacp-cots-file-discrimination-complaint-against-fcps#pdf-10739343

The Fairfax chapter of the NAACP shares Hones' point of view. Together, they've filed a complaint against the county school system.

Their report indicates this year's class at Thomas Jefferson is made up of 476 students. Of those, 43 percent are white, 46 percent are Asian, and a little more than 8 percent are multiracial. Only 2.1 percent are Hispanic and a bleak 0.6 percent -- just 3 students -- are black.

"Poor Latino kids are not being identified, and I worry part of that is language," Hone said. "African-American kids are not being identified. I'm worried that's race."

http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Discrimination-Complaint-Against-Va-High-School-163560576.html

What I don't understand is that, if "language" were a barrier to getting into this school and being successful, how come the Asian community is having no problem getting in? Notice that the NAACP is calling on more "diversity" at the school, but in this instance it's the whites that are not in the majority: only 43% of the students are white.

Why are white, Asian, and multiracial students, who did the prep work and passed the entrance tests, being asked to set those scores aside and forget their own hard work so that lesser-achieving people can get in based on different, or no, standards?

I doubt that I could get into this school, but then again, I know my own limitations. I'm not saying the kids who couldn't get into Thomas Jefferson School are stupid, but.....they probably are.

This is based on "disparate impact," which argues that any mechanism resulting in negative outcomes, mainly for blacks, is illegal even if discrimination is not the intent. The whole idea is to destroy merit as a method for ordering society and to replace it with proportional representation based upon race. And this approach has been very successful.

Perilagu Khan wrote:

This is based on "disparate impact," which argues that any mechanism resulting in negative outcomes, mainly for blacks, is illegal even if discrimination is not the intent. The whole idea is to destroy merit as a method for ordering society and to replace it with proportional representation based upon race. And this approach has been very successful.

Agreed. But does anyone these days ever ask the unthinkable? What about if there are no remedies to "close the achievement gap"?

There are all sorts of truths that cannot be spoken in the western world. Many of them pertain to race. Instead of speaking these truths and living by them as best we can, we destroy society by pushing pernicious madness such as "disparate impact." Unless a pandemic of sanity breaks out, we're doomed.

Perilagu Khan wrote:

There are all sorts of truths that cannot be spoken in the western world. Many of them pertain to race. Instead of speaking these truths and living by them as best we can, we destroy society by pushing pernicious madness such as "disparate impact." Unless a pandemic of sanity breaks out, we're doomed.

Agreed. And if doing so makes me a so-called "racist", so be it. Only by truthfully facing these realities head on will things being to improve for anyone of any race or ethnicity.

To a large extent, genuine racism (at least on the part of whites) that harms people, is a relic of the past. What we have now is anti-racism (the position that seeks to obscure the truth about race) and racial truth-telling (now known as racism). And this anti-racism is very much like Socialist Realism in that it is an elite project that seeks to replace unpleasant truths with palatable lies. Given that anti-racism and its cousin multiculturalism are the West's master narratives, our intellectual climate now bears an uncomfortable resemblance to that of the USSR. It is now up to dissident intellectuals to instigate a revolution that will subvert and annihilate the entire rotten edifice of our elite institutions. Either that, or we become increasingly enserfed to lies and those who tell them.

Prince Kamal Khan wrote:

Perilagu Khan wrote:

There are all sorts of truths that cannot be spoken in the western world. Many of them pertain to race. Instead of speaking these truths and living by them as best we can, we destroy society by pushing pernicious madness such as "disparate impact." Unless a pandemic of sanity breaks out, we're doomed.

Agreed. And if doing so makes me a so-called "racist", so be it. Only by truthfully facing these realities head on will things being to improve for anyone of any race or ethnicity.

Any criticism of President Obama, even if you merely quote his own words or let him speak for himself, IS an act of racism according to Jonathan Chait at the New York Magazine: The Real Reason ‘You Didn’t Build That’ Works

So, just remember, when you are upset or irritated with President Obama for saying "If you’ve got a business—you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen" it's not because you believe in individual initiative and free-market principles, it's because you are a racist and don't like black people.

"We’re constantly being told we’re racists and that conservatism is full of racist codes and dog whistles aimed at conservatives. And yet the only people who consistently decipher these codes or hear these dog whistles are liberals themselves. Most of the time it’s a form of projection of course." --- Jonah Goldberg (National Review)

I think he nailed it. The constant cries of "Racism!" are really the fears and nagging, gnawing suspicions of a group of people who are afraid everything they grew up believing or teaching others to believe may not be true, and that some minority communities may simply be unable to keep up with other groups in terms of education and achievement, no matter how many resources the government and private initiatives throw at them. This lawsuit against Thomas Jefferson Science School is a prime example; the Asian community in that region is near 17% of the total population of the county, yet the Asian students made up 46% of the enrollees, where blacks are roughly 10% of the county yet they only manage to be .6% of the enrolled students.

This article was published by The New York Times (I'm stunned they let it get published) back in 1999, and everything said in it then was true and even more so today: http://www.nytimes.com/1999/07/04/us/reason-is-sought-for-lag-by-blacks-in-school-effort.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

Excerpts:
1,On some tests, black students from middle-class or wealthier families have done no better than white students who live in poverty. For example, an analysis of 1995 S.A.T. scores, the most recent such analysis available, showed that students of all races did better if their parents had more education. But blacks whose parents had at least one graduate degree averaged 191 points lower than whites whose parents had the same amount of education, while blacks whose parents had no high school diploma averaged 137 points behind whites whose parents had none.

2. In 1996, on a state reading test, 49 percent of African-Americans at the school were reading below grade level, compared with 9 percent of whites.
Students at Evanston and elsewhere say doing well in school is not always accepted by their peers.

3. Fitzroy Dennison, 18, said he was so conscious of the stigma that he avoided speaking grammatically correct English with friends.

''You learn to switch it off,'' said Fitzroy, whose parents are from Panama and Belize. ''When you're on the streets, you speak Ebonics. When you're at home, you speak Creole. When you're in school, you speak proper English. But when you talk too proper, your peers will call you white and say you're a cracker.''

Perilagu Khan wrote:

To a large extent, genuine racism (at least on the part of whites) that harms people, is a relic of the past. What we have now is anti-racism (the position that seeks to obscure the truth about race) and racial truth-telling (now known as racism). And this anti-racism is very much like Socialist Realism in that it is an elite project that seeks to replace unpleasant truths with palatable lies. Given that anti-racism and its cousin multiculturalism are the West's master narratives, our intellectual climate now bears an uncomfortable resemblance to that of the USSR. It is now up to dissident intellectuals to instigate a revolution that will subvert and annihilate the entire rotten edifice of our elite institutions. Either that, or we become increasingly enserfed to lies and those who tell them.

Khan, you are a true scholar and a credit to the fraternity of academia :)

You're too kind, tiffy.

:geek:

Khan, I feel so much smarter after I read your posts.:study:

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Given that anti-racism and its cousin multiculturalism are the West's master narratives, our intellectual climate now bears an uncomfortable resemblance to that of the USSR. It is now up to dissident intellectuals to instigate a revolution that will subvert and annihilate the entire rotten edifice of our elite institutions

Vive le revolution!

Let the sport...commence.

NBC forced to apologise after ill-timed ad features a monkey doing gymnastics - right after showing Gabby Douglas' gold medal victory


NBC has become the centre of a race storm after airing an ad featuring a monkey performing gymnastics, right after showing the performance of Gabby Douglas, the first African-American to win Olympic gold.

The network has since apologised for the advert's poor timing, explaining: 'No offense was intended.'

The controversy ignited as sportscaster Bob Costas wrapped his analysis of her incredible routine during the all-around competition last night.

Costas said: 'There are some African American girls out there who tonight are saying to themselves: "Hey, I’d like to try that too." More from London in a moment.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2183284/Gabby-Douglas-NBC-forced-apologise-ad-features-monkey-doing-gymnastics-right-AFTER-victory.html#ixzz22bLs10Ut

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#1 NBC is as liberal as they come. If a person claims NBC is racist then what hope do the rest of us have?

#2 Apparently the "outcry" over this ad has come more from white viewers than black viewers, most of whom I suspect think they are being benevolent, tolerant, progressive, and enlightened towards the black community, but actually do more to hurt black people than to help. By patronizing them and being condescending towards them by acting as if they aren't strong enough to handle an insult (intentional or not), you further underscore the stereotypes against them that they are hot-tempered, cannot reason as well as whites, lack the same critical and logical thinking skills of whites, and that their pride, ego and self-esteem is so fragile that all it takes is one offensive ad or comment to completely bring their world to a screeching, grinding halt.

#3 I'm sure there were a lot of Caucasian American girls watching Gabby's performance the other day and saying "Hey, I'd like to try that too" Mr. Costas.

Bob Costas

:roll:

Really not NBC's week is it?

Hilly wrote:

Really not NBC's week is it?

Eh....I'll defend them. I never have had a problem with them tape-delaying some of the events in order to maximize the potential for earning back their money. They have spent over $1 billion dollars for the Olympic television rights, and unless someone else has a billion dollars to spare or their own personal television network that doesn't need to earn a profit, complaining isn't of much use.

What's worse than the fake outrage of the people "offended" by the timing of the commercial is NBC's capitulation. What other commercials should not be run anytime a story featuring a black person has just aired? Kentucky Fried Chicken? Nike? I mean, where does it end?

I don't feel particularly sorry for NBC because they've chosen to get in bed with these types of people (ideologically speaking) and now they're reaping what they have sown. Or, to paraphrase the great philosopher and spiritual leader, Jeremiah Wright: 'NBC's chickens are coming home to roost!!!'

Perilagu Khan wrote:

Let the sport...commence.

I'll need to save that and use it for my avatar sometime.

This excellent column from Walter Williams called "What's discrimination?" is as timely now as it was 6 years ago:

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/williams090606.php3?printer_friendly

Atlanta Symphony Orchestra: Choirs "not diverse enough"

http://www.wsbradio.com/news/news/local/atlanta-symphony-banning-2-cobb-hs-choruses-being-/nRDJk/

http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/morning_call/2012/08/report-atl-symphony-says-two-cobb.html

http://www.inquisitr.com/305204/too-white-to-sing-atlanta-symphony-orchestra-rejects-school-choruses-due-to-lack-of-diversity/#y2iiVqJklv9WOM7D.99


President Stanley Romanstein of the ASO tells Channel 2 Action News, "We want the stages of the Atlanta Symphony, whether here, Verizon, or Chastain, to reflect the diversity of Atlanta." He says he's surprised at the reaction.

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Atlanta Symphony Orchestra President Romanstein termed the brewing controversy over the refusal to allow Lassiter High School and Walton High School choruses to perform an “interesting misunderstanding” and added he was surprised by the reaction to the racial diversity based decision, NBC 11 Live reports. The two Cobb County high schools were granted permission to bring a “smaller portion” of the choruses to perform with the Atlanta Symphony Orchestra, but declined because of the exclusion of some of the chorus members. Henry W. Grady High School, which presumably meets the racial diversity guidelines, will now have a multi-year run with the Atlanta Symphony Orchestra.

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The only "misunderstanding" is coming from the ASO President, because he *CLEARLY* doesn't understand where all the money is coming from to keep the ASO going. I can guarantee you it's not coming from wealthy, black Atlantans who are patrons of the art. It comes from those dreaded white people who live in the northeast and northwest suburbs of Atlanta.

For those of you not familiar with the layout of Atlanta....Walton and Lassiter High Schools are in suburbs to the northwest of Atlanta...approximately 25-30 minutes outside of downtown Atlanta. The racial make up of the schools is 90% white at Walton and 75% white at Lassiter. Grady High School, in downtown Atlanta, is 77% black. But Grady also represents a school district whose parents can't afford to go to, and presumably have little interest in, a symphony, which is why a lot of these parents try to get their kids into "all white" schools like Lassiter and Walton.

Also, the Chastain Park Amphitheater is in an exclusively white neighborhood where the average home prices are $750,000 dollars, and the Verizon Wireless Amphitheater is up in John's Creek, which is 35 miles straight north of Atlanta and is inhabited exclusively by millionaires and members of the Atlanta Braves and Atlanta Falcons.

The ASO is already facing budget crunches and shortfalls; hopefully this will offend and enrage the Atlanta elite into shunning and avoiding the ASO until it goes completely bankrupt and has to close down.

My comment: I don't know anything about Charlie Langton, but his comment APPEARS to be some mindless, liberal blather. Maybe he's just playing devil's advocate. But clearly the policy of no deliveries to Detroit after dark is a reaction to hundreds, if not thousands, of yearly acts of violence perpetrated by the citizens of Detroit against others. It's not Jet Pizza that is"sectioning Detroit off from the rest of the world". It's Detroit that is sectioning Detroit off from the rest of the world.


No Pizza For You!

http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2012/08/17/pizza-franchise-creates-not-after-dark-delivery-rule-in-detroit-after-driver-shot/

DETROIT (Talk Radio 1270) Has it come to this? Yes it has, according to Joan McKenna, whose son Tim McKenna, 19, was shot while delivering pizza in Detroit.

In the wake of the shooting, a Jets Pizza franchise in Dearborn ruled it will no longer deliver to Detroit after dark. Before the shooting, they sent two drivers to every nighttime Detroit delivery, one of whom was armed, Joan McKenna said.

“They usually send somebody with a guy … who carries a gun,” she said. “Usually they have two go into Detroit after dark, if they have a delivery … One guy has a legal, he can carry a gun. That night, Timmy was the only one left, they had this one run to do, he said ‘yeah, I’ll do it.’ He’s a kid, he doesn’t think anything’s going to happen to him.”

Tim McKenna was shot in the ribs, and the bullet hit a lung, but he survived and plans to return in the fall to Adrian College, where he plays football. Pizza delivery was his summer job.

“He can’t play football right now, he’s on the team at Adrian, it’s really hard … It went right in the chest, this guy shot him right in the chest,” Joan McKenna said, adding, “It was a robbery, the guy wanted his money, he hit the gas and the guy went ‘pop pop’ and he was shot in the chest.”

Her son had about $35 on him, which is what the drivers carry, McKenna said.

“I had no idea he was in this kind of danger, I really didn’t,” McKenna said. She and her husband returned to the neighborhood to hand out fliers listing a reward for whoever turns in the shooter, but even in daylight they were too afraid they would get shot driving around, McKenna said.

“I realize this is a terrible situation, it is tragic, but some people say it’s racist, we’re eliminating Detroit, we’re sectioning Detroit off from the rest of the world,” Langton said during his show on Talk Radio 1270, adding, “Some people will say ‘ Why should we let the acts of one stupid gun person, make a whole policy that alienates a city?’”

But Joan McKenna thinks any claims of racism are hogwash.

“You want to talk about racism? This has nothing to do with color, it has to do with people who are not willing to get up, plug in the coffee maker, and go to work … Come on, get a job, we’re not talking race here,” Joan McKenna said.

The shooter has not been caught and the McKennas are agitating Detroit police to keep searching, worrying it’s “awful low on their priority list.” “I need help because it’s not going to happen with the police,” Joan McKenna said.

She said police told her: “We’ll never catch this guy, literally, that’s what they said.”

Langton said the shooter, whoever he is, should face attempted murder charges. “You shoot a gun, nearly point blank at somebody, that’s attempted murder,” Langton said.

“When you want a pizza, you live in Detroit, you want it delivered after dark, thank the guy who shot my son, thank that guy,” McKenna said.

John from Chesterfield called in and said, “This is not racist, this is a high probability risk assessment. I was in the military … If you’re going to go into Detroit after dark the risk assessment is you’re going to be robbed, shot or mugged … There are people in Detroit who don’t want to go out after dark either, it’s crazy, but that’s it.”

Ryan, a resident of southwest Detroit where the shooting happened, said he would “never let his wife outside after dark.” Would he go outside himself after dark? “Yeah, I would, but I’m armed,” Ryan said.

He added that many delivery companies in Detroit won’t go to addresses they don’t already know.

Mike, a U.S. Post Office manager, said he had a part-time carrier who moonlighted in that area as a pizza delivery man, and he was also attacked. “The guy jumped out of the bushes and basically attacked him, pulled out a gun … It’s very dangerous over there. I’m black, I’m from the city, but that’s the highest crime area I staffed. I can’t blame the pizza owner for doing that. He has to look at those employees every day.”

How insane is it that somebody would work as a deliverman knowing he has to tote a heater? Do they really get paid that much? I rather doubt it.