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Subject: Re: [SPOILERS] The Dark Knight Rises (1.0) Mon Nov 21, 2011 4:26 pm
I seem to recall some of the criticism of Nolans take on Batman was that he made him too much like the 'urban survivalist/vigilante' (I apologise as there's some all encompasing term that escapes me atm) which Bane and his minions seem very in tune with maybe Nolan's going to use this tale to draw the real distinction?
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Subject: Re: [SPOILERS] The Dark Knight Rises (1.0) Mon Nov 21, 2011 4:36 pm
Bernhard Goetz?
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Subject: Re: [SPOILERS] The Dark Knight Rises (1.0) Mon Nov 21, 2011 5:21 pm
Here's seemingly all the important info from Empire's story:
Spoiler:
Nolan: "It's really all about finishing Batman and Bruce Wayne's story. We left him in a very precarious place. Perhaps surprisingly for some people, our story picks up quite a bit later, eight years after The Dark Knight. So he's an older Bruce Wayne; he's not in a great state."
Nolan on the prologue: It's "basically the first six, seven minutes of the film" and will serve as "an introduction to Bane, and a taste of the rest of the film."
Hardy: "He's brutal. Brutal. He's a big dude who's incredibly clinical, in the fact that he has a result-based and oriented fighting style. It's not about fighting. It's about carnage. The style is heavy-handed, heavy-footed, it's nasty. Anything from small-joint manipulation to crushing skulls, crushing rib cages, stamping on shins and knees and necks and collarbones and snapping heads off and tearing his fists through chests, ripping out spinal columns. He is a terrorist in mentality as well as brutal action."
Lindy Hemming, costume designer: "He was injured early in his story. He's suffering from pain and needs gas to survive. He can't survive the pain without the mask. The pipes from the mask go back along his jawline and feed into the thing at his back, where there are two cannisters."
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Subject: Re: [SPOILERS] The Dark Knight Rises (1.0) Mon Nov 21, 2011 8:00 pm
Sharky wrote:
Bernhard Goetz?
In that spirit but clearly organised and pro active if that is the case. Bane holding the picture of Dent is interesting either championing the man Batman 'supposedly' killed or perhaps saying what Dent died for wasn't enough Likewise the illusion to the passage of time might tie in with the gassing of the Narrows - In BB and TDK a consistent theme is Bruce effectively reaping what was sown, in BB He saves Ducat unwittingly becoming comlicit in the events of the finale, in TDK he has to shoulder the responsibility of Dent's crimes and perpetuate the myth of Gothams 'White Knight' maybe here we see a greater monster born out of both of those choices. No good deed goes unpunished after all.
Then again maybe I am simply spouting more idle drivell than usual, it is Monday after all!
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Subject: Re: [SPOILERS] The Dark Knight Rises (1.0) Mon Nov 21, 2011 8:23 pm
Trying to restrain myself from the spoilers already - I thought FD was being sarcastic with his use of THE NAKED GUN video.
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Subject: Re: [SPOILERS] The Dark Knight Rises (1.0) Tue Nov 22, 2011 3:32 am
Holy fuck.
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Subject: Re: [SPOILERS] The Dark Knight Rises (1.0) Tue Nov 22, 2011 4:16 am
Yeah, I dunno if I like the idea of this time jump. I would've rather seen the immediate outcome of TDK. This time jump seems to imply Nolan really wants to bring us the end of Batman's career, taking away the possibility of any other stories set in this universe.
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Subject: Re: [SPOILERS] The Dark Knight Rises (1.0) Tue Nov 22, 2011 5:05 am
Fairbairn-Sykes wrote:
Yeah, I dunno if I like the idea of this time jump. I would've rather seen the immediate outcome of TDK. This time jump seems to imply Nolan really wants to bring us the end of Batman's career, taking away the possibility of any other stories set in this universe.
Coming from your post on Facebook. Maybe Batman was keeping a low profile? Hell, I dunno. I'm off to bed.
Well, the plane makes it less likely he was totally out of the game. Unless he converts it for duty within the film.
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Subject: Re: [SPOILERS] The Dark Knight Rises (1.0) Tue Nov 22, 2011 5:48 am
Fairbairn-Sykes wrote:
Yeah, I dunno if I like the idea of this time jump. I would've rather seen the immediate outcome of TDK. This time jump seems to imply Nolan really wants to bring us the end of Batman's career, taking away the possibility of any other stories set in this universe.
I suspect the opening of the film will involve Batman fleeing the police, and disappearing. The film will then advance eight years, and the story will pick up. I think that if we watch THE DARK KNIGHT and then RISES, the changes within the city will be palpable because Nolan will not feel the need to spend half an hour explaining how Gotham has changed since Batman's departure when audiences can just see one film and then the other.
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Subject: Re: [SPOILERS] The Dark Knight Rises (1.0) Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:13 pm
Imagining a timeline for the Nolan trilogy, using BB at the centerpoint and assuming it's 2005.
1984 - Ra's scenes in TDKR. 1998 - Murder of Joe Chill. 2005 - BATMAN BEGINS 2006 - THE DARK KNIGHT 2014 - THE DARK KNIGHT RISES
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Subject: Re: [SPOILERS] The Dark Knight Rises (1.0) Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:21 pm
The hardware on display also implies a passage of time so it does make sense that the Bat has been busy.
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Subject: Re: [SPOILERS] The Dark Knight Rises (1.0) Thu Nov 24, 2011 3:53 pm
Well, if the Bat has been retired for those eight years, then he likely wouldn't have been very busy at all.
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Subject: Re: [SPOILERS] The Dark Knight Rises (1.0) Thu Nov 24, 2011 10:03 pm
Indeed - why would he build all of those new pieces of kit if he was retired? Unless there is some lame explanation, like Lucius Fox anticipating a time when Batman will be needed again, and preparing all manner of gadgetry for him so that Batman is ready when that day comes.
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Subject: Re: [SPOILERS] The Dark Knight Rises (1.0) Fri Nov 25, 2011 1:13 am
Prisoner Monkeys wrote:
Indeed - why would he build all of those new pieces of kit if he was retired? Unless there is some lame explanation, like Lucius Fox anticipating a time when Batman will be needed again, and preparing all manner of gadgetry for him so that Batman is ready when that day comes.
Undoubtedly Wayne Enterprise has had quite a few military contracts since the events of THE DARK KNIGHT, so it's not impossible that Lucius Fox would have a bunch of stuff lying around. The only major bit of new gadgetry appears to be the Batplane/hovercraft thingamabob.
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Subject: Re: [SPOILERS] The Dark Knight Rises (1.0) Fri Nov 25, 2011 2:47 am
Perhaps Wayne was busy for a part of the 8 years. Wouldn't surprise me. TDK's ending seemed to suggest that Batman's work wasn't quite finished.
One thing I find bizarre about TDKR featuring a retired Wayne is that once again, we get a Batman film where Wayne doesn't exactly want to be Batman. I think Fairbairn-Sykes once said that TDK's Wayne was somewhat unappealing because he didn't want to be a hero.
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Subject: Re: [SPOILERS] The Dark Knight Rises (1.0) Fri Nov 25, 2011 2:49 am
And that light-weapon-y thing on the Empire cover.
I suppose it is conceivable that Batman has abandoned Gotham city, but continues his fight elsewhere. I know the Hong Kong scenes in THE DARK KNIGHT took criticism, but I can't see Bruce Wayne simply giving up - especially since he knew what he was signing up for when he took the heat for Dent's crimes. The entire point was to continue the fight regardless of how difficult it got. He was clearly rattled by the Joker's rampage, so perhaps Bruce will go back to the Himalayas looking for answers. He did, after all, find Ra's al Ghul because he wanted to understand the crminal mind. But the Joker took things to an entirely new level, and Batman's conventional understanding of criminality was barely enough to thwart him. I know that in the comics, Batman's greatest fear was the Joker rising up, but in the Nolanverse, I could see him being afraid of a Joker-like foe presenting themselves, and Batman being powerless to stop him because he knows what it will take to defeat them and he is unwilling to go that far again for fear of truly becoming a villain in his own right.
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Subject: Re: [SPOILERS] The Dark Knight Rises (1.0) Fri Nov 25, 2011 3:22 am
The White Tuxedo wrote:
Imagining a timeline for the Nolan trilogy, using BB at the centerpoint and assuming it's 2005.
1984 - Ra's scenes in TDKR. 1998 - Murder of Joe Chill. 2005 - BATMAN BEGINS 2006 - THE DARK KNIGHT 2014 - THE DARK KNIGHT RISES
Actually, the surveillance photo of The Joker in TDK had the date of the film's release on it, which was an amusing little easter egg. But also a good point of reference, I guess.
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Subject: Re: [SPOILERS] The Dark Knight Rises (1.0) Fri Nov 25, 2011 3:56 am
I think it's a bit like CASINO ROYALE and QUANTUM OF SOLACE - they are set twenty minutes apart, but there is evidence in CR that suggests they are set in 2006, and evidence in QOS that they are set in 2008 (though there is the theory that CR's epilogue is set two years after the rest of the film, but I don't buy that theory because Vesper gave Bond enough information to go straight to White). Based on the dates the Palio di Siena is run and allowing for Bond to spend some time in recovery after having his goolies beaten about, the date on the surveillance tape in the Bahamas and the Palio di Siena line up perfectly.
So, THE DARK KNIGHT RISES can be set in 2012, and be eight years after THE DARK KNIGHT despite the previous film being set in 2008. The timeline doesn't really matter, and I very much doubt that Nolan will make a show of revealing the actual year of the film. He might include something like the photo of the Joker, but it won't be obvious like "Ooooh, look this film takes place in THE WORRRRLDDD OF TOOMORROWW!" (yes, Channel Eleven has been showing reruns of Futurama from the very beginning).
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