Keeping Bond And Beyond alive

It's not like I'm particular.

You do have standards, Ambler. Just because they're so much lower than anyone else's doesn't stop them being standards. ;)

Fortunately, I have low expectations to match ;)

It's a match made in Hell.

You say the sweetest things.

You know Hell gets all the best sex.

The last half dozen posts are probably reason enough and symptomatic of what has happened since a flurry of activity earlier in the autumn - an embittered clique posting rubbish and alienating new posters. Despite the fact there is a new Bond film underway, this place is still delivering the "...and Beyond" rather than the "Bond". There's not much for Bond fans here, when it comes down to it, that isn't delivered elsewhere with more variety of opinion, and watching other people's in-joking is a pretty arid experience.

Sometimes I'm just distracted by porn.

No hard feelings.

RobDudley wrote:

The last half dozen posts are probably reason enough and symptomatic of what has happened since a flurry of activity earlier in the autumn - an embittered clique posting rubbish and alienating new posters.  

Embittered?  I think many of the old guard would be happy to give way to the new, but you need to start posting. And recreating CBn here is pointless. This place should be something different. 

I don't think anyone is trying to recreate CB.n here. However, I do think this place could do with a little bit of Judo Chop.

Erica Ambler wrote:

RobDudley wrote:

The last half dozen posts are probably reason enough and symptomatic of what has happened since a flurry of activity earlier in the autumn - an embittered clique posting rubbish and alienating new posters.  

Embittered?  I think many of the old guard would be happy to give way to the new, but you need to start posting. And recreating CBn here is pointless. This place should be something different. 

When you're already calling B23 "Skyfail", its hard to not to see why he feels that way.

Santa wrote:

I don't think anyone is trying to recreate CB.n here. However, I do think this place could do with a little bit of Judo Chop.

Wish you hadn't said that.

colly wrote:

Erica Ambler wrote:

RobDudley wrote:

The last half dozen posts are probably reason enough and symptomatic of what has happened since a flurry of activity earlier in the autumn - an embittered clique posting rubbish and alienating new posters.  

Embittered?  I think many of the old guard would be happy to give way to the new, but you need to start posting. And recreating CBn here is pointless. This place should be something different. 

When you're already calling B23 "Skyfail", its hard to not to see why he feels that way.

Is Herr Dudley sending children to fight his battles now? Anyway, I'll humour you.

It's no secret that I haven't liked a Bond film since the end of Barry, Maibaum and Cubby's tenure. As it seems I have to spell it out for you, that was when the films stopped being any good.

If Skynonfail is decent I'll be happily surprised.

I think this place actually doesn't do too bad, given the predominant air of what wants to be 'avant-garde' around here. What's maybe putting off is that entirely self-styled authority is coming across a bit pompous and pathetic. I'd also suspect the ongoing premature campaigning isn't nearly as interesting as some seem to think. I suppose a lot of people feel they won't be arsed into spending time for such discussions. And why should they?

A bunch of Bond aficionados pontificating about their political beliefs isn't what most people expect when coming to a Bond forum. That turns the 'and Beyond' into 'and the Tea Party'. Ok, it's clear they are going to rule the world in, like, just a few days. Weeks at most. Until then - incredible as it may seem - the world doesn't care a whole lot about the guys. Shame but can't be helped.

I must say that I enjoy B&B quite a lot. But more as something of a spectator, like you watch SEINFELD or THE SIMPSONS. I don't feel as if I'm asked to play a role in those shows, and neither do I feel as if I have something worthwhile to contribute to B&B. Not very often in any case, sorry.

Fleming's Bond may not have had a political bone in his body (he often gives me the impression that he's a bit dim), but in the early novels he is part of the armoury of a fading imperial power, whether or not he appreciates that. That some should be horrified at Bond's transformation in QoS into the armed wing of Oxfam is not so surprising.

Well, not surprising perhaps. More astonishing, given that most viewers don't invest a tenth of the thought some around here do. Those that do apparently don't feel alarmed a lot about such observations, if they share the view at all. Bond in public opinion isn't a fat old arse with an ailing prostate and a tendency to crypto-fascism, even if you could make a case from the books (not that I do, mind you). I just think B&B isn't what most people expect when they look for a Bond forum, that's all. I suspect many just take a look around, decide this isn't for them and move on. You can't have it both ways, play the retreat of the bogey of the middle classes and be everybody's darling.

RobDudley wrote:

an embittered clique posting rubbish and alienating new posters.

I suspect you're easily alienated. If so, your absence is addition by subtraction.

RobDudley wrote:

...an embittered clique posting rubbish and alienating new posters.

That's a completely ridiculous comment, but nonetheless interesting. From what I've seen, the flock of new members have fit in well around here. I never bothered posting much at CBn, and the fusion of Mi6 and CBn members has brought some interesting discussions to the table over here at B&B. I've even found myself agreeing with Shadow, which hasn't happened in years--if ever.

In regards to criticism toward production of the new James Bond flick, I can only say: get over it. With a production company that has failed us many times in recent history, it's only natural for people to be skeptical, or even dismissive.

But, I suppose if we all just agreed with each other, this would be a better place.

If that's what you want, then try this out:
www.mi6community.com

Kennon wrote:

You can't have it both ways, play the retreat of the bogey of the middle classes and be everybody's darling.

Don't ask me how, but Rave manages it. I'll PM you her agency's details.

Perilagu Khan wrote:

RobDudley wrote:

an embittered clique posting rubbish and alienating new posters.

I suspect you're easily alienated. If so, your absence is addition by subtraction.

:roll: You're kind of making his point for him there, Khan.

Not quite sure where the 'embittered clique' and 'alienating new posters' bits come from , though. I haven't felt unwelcome here at any time. Just the opposite, in fact..

RobDudley wrote:

[...] an embittered clique posting rubbish and alienating new posters. Despite the fact there is a new Bond film underway, this place is still delivering the "...and Beyond" rather than the "Bond". There's not much for Bond fans here, when it comes down to it, that isn't delivered elsewhere with more variety of opinion, and watching other people's in-joking is a pretty arid experience.

Kennon wrote:

What's maybe putting off is that entirely self-styled authority is coming across a bit pompous and pathetic.

Kennon wrote:

A bunch of Bond aficionados pontificating about their political beliefs isn't what most people expect when coming to a Bond forum. That turns the 'and Beyond' into 'and the Tea Party'.

Kennon wrote:

Bond in public opinion isn't a fat old arse with an ailing prostate and a tendency to crypto-fascism, even if you could make a case from the books (not that I do, mind you).

Kennon wrote:

You can't have it both ways, play the retreat of the bogey of the middle classes and be everybody's darling.

Interesting how it's always the same Debbie Downers, isn't? All we need is 6of1 to post here, and we've got ourselves one miserable hat trick.

Although it was my first reaction, I'm not going to lash out. Santa's persuaded my embittered, pompous, pathetic, alienating, arid, crypto-fascist self to sit back and take it like a man.

Keep it coming.

Better bend over then.

Ow my gawd, you really are a touchy testicle, you know? I really don't think there's a lot I can contribute to such a miserable club. Dreadful sorry to bug you but this here is hardly ever going to be anything else than 'Sociopaths with an Attitude' and in my opinion that's ok, don't get why you aspire for more. I thought that's exactly what you guys want it to be???

Kennon wrote:

Ow my gawd, you really are a touchy testicle, you know? I really don't think there's a lot I can contribute to such a miserable club. Dreadful sorry to bug you but this here is hardly ever going to be anything else than 'Sociopaths with an Attitude' and in my opinion that's ok, don't get why you aspire for more. I thought that's exactly what you guys want it to be???

Then don't contribute, please. As the above post shows, you're far too kind and lighthearted to join our pub for the criminally insane.

Done. Please delete my profile, thank you.

RobDudley wrote:

Despite the fact there is a new Bond film underway, this place is still delivering the "...and Beyond" rather than the "Bond".

Probably true.

Harmsway wrote:

RobDudley wrote:

Despite the fact there is a new Bond film underway, this place is still delivering the "...and Beyond" rather than the "Bond".

Probably true.

Yes, but is that necessarily a bad thing?

Kennon wrote:

Done. Please delete my profile, thank you.

Mind the doorknob on the way out, son.