Beyond MI6

Moore wrote:

Honestly, I know they want that. But I can't help it. The whole look of the site and what people are posting just compels me to post. I like helping dumb down the discussion level as much as I can.

Even if that includes pretending I'm King George III.

Mad King George, shows my eyesight I thought it was Washington... :oops:

ambler wrote:

That's right. Very good numbers for us, and very bad numbers for them

3000 of their posts are complaints, 400 is Spamuel saying 'lets look to the future', and the other 100 are the mods and admins justifying their appalling mishandling of data :)

Boom. Roasted.

Hilly wrote:

Moore wrote:

Honestly, I know they want that. But I can't help it. The whole look of the site and what people are posting just compels me to post. I like helping dumb down the discussion level as much as I can.

Even if that includes pretending I'm King George III.

Mad King George, shows my eyesight I thought it was Washington... :oops:

Close enough.

I think it would be best in the long run if we truly went beyond MI6. I have not visited the new place nor do I have the desire to. We are helping no one by actively trying to sabotage their place. What's the point in registering there if all you want to achieve is create trouble?

Not trying to cause trouble, just to be slightly annoying. One thread isn't going to change anything. No need to sabotage the place at all. I've seen the level of conversation there....

I think Bazza's joke thread would have been hilarious if you and Retro hadn't posted there.

*tumbleweed*

I take every opportunity I can get to tell my Pooh joke. The first time I told it to Daniel I asked, "Why was Tigger looking for Pooh in the toilet?" So I need the practice.

Nothing wrong with the joke, there's just something both sad and hilarious watching someone die on stage.

So....how does a turtle call another turtle?



With his shellphone! :lol!: :lol!: :lol!: :lol!:


I like clean jokes. Stupid jokes. Then I try to pass them off as though I really mean they are funny. For some reason it pisses people off.

ambler wrote:

Nothing wrong with the joke, there's just something both sad and hilarious watching someone die on stage.

I agree, that thread was hilarious with no responses.

You guys are just jealous you are not part of the elitist joke thread.

I like elitism.

On the bright side now we can post whatever we want without having to worry about someone popping up and saying "hey, there was a thread about that in 2003, use that one instead". :D

In terms of moving "beyond MI6" or whatever I think the best thing that can happen is that we really do move "beyond" and recognize that that board and this one cater to essentially two different audiences. MI6 is a pro-Bond discussion board, with a small smattering of other stuff on the side, whereas this place is community of people united by a love of Bond, but who have, in many cases, become jaded with, less focused on or bored with the franchise and happen to enjoy discussing a whole raft of other more interesting things, This place should maybe play itself up less as a community strictly devoted to Bond and more as one dedicated specifically to community itself (maybe starting with movies in general)-- Lord knows how many other lost souls are out there seeking fellowship who would totally fit in here but perhaps aren't as into Bond specifically as some of us.

Anyway, the split that just took place has been brewing as a general underlying tone of discontent amongst the veteran posters of MI6 for at least the 3.5 years that I had been there. In many ways the events of 3/14 can be seen as just the natural and needed sequel to prior events, and in some sense we should almost be thankful for it. Yeah some of it sucked royally, most notably the suddenness of it and the fact that a large hall of records has been (as far as we know) destroyed. Still though, it has yet to be seen whether or not these events were ultimately for the greater good or ill-- in the meantime we should just be thankful that there was at least this ship to jump to together so quickly. That is what really saved this from being an unmitigated disaster.

In the meantime one thing I don't like is seeing people who I know deep down are friends, segregating themselves from one another due to the exigencies of an unfortunate political situation that is (more-or-less) beyond their control. I would love to see people like St. George, Dusty, Disco Volante, Benny, Dimi, Luds and others eventually post over here. I don't think there is any intrinsic conflict of interest. MI6 and this place have distinct niche's in the grand scheme of things-- it's not as though they can't survive together. In the internet's house are many mansions-- there is plenty of room for another online community. For my part I can post in and enjoy both, and I hope others will be able to as well.

The forums serve different purposes and audiences. That's for sure. And yes, it's been brewing for a long time.

Call me elitist, but I can't see how benny could find a footing here. He's not an intellectual and he's spent the last almost three years being condescending to most of the group here. That said, I'd just ignore him as I have done anywhere else.

I find the others (and some not on that list) highly intelligent and would welcome them - they'd probably love the break from being mods too. How they would feel about letting loose here but having to moderate children at the other forum is their problem, not ours. Luds and Du$ty have been mods since I started so I've never seen a change in their behavior over the years or because they were mods. I'd be very interested in seeing how they behave without having to set an example.

The way I see it is this... I was invited to this group when it was relatively small and I don't see it being my place to invite people from whom that group was trying to separate. I too post on both boards and don't feel I've been disloyal to anyone. In time, 3/14 will be a memory and those that do not harbour resentments for not being on the first-day invite list will be welcome to participate in this forum. But hyper-sensitivity about what's been said on the forum this week won't fly, I'm sure.

Not everyone is going to like everyone. At least here, we understand that and accept that.

Didn't realise you had fallen out with benny, Retro. Doesn't seem long since you were sending him flowers.

retrokitty wrote:

children at the other forum

I don't know if that's a fair comment. So far none of their membership has streaked this forum with their proverbial little dinks hanging out, flinging poop at the walls. *cough* *cough* Moore *cough* *cough*

;)

Drax wrote:

retrokitty wrote:

children at the other forum

I don't know if that's a fair comment. So far none of their membership has streaked this forum with their proverbial little dinks hanging out, flinging poop at the walls. *cough* *cough* Moore *cough* *cough*

;)

He is masquerading as 'mad' King George III after all. Some slack to be cut.

Though, elitest thread indeed, sir

ambler wrote:

Didn't realise you had fallen out with benny, Retro.

Good. That means my behavior is as it should be.

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Doesn't seem long since you were sending him flowers.

Well, that was quite a while ago and I still feel it was the right thing to do at the time. He suffered the loss of two babies. I arranged the package but it was a group effort of many from the forum.

Though I never found him to be a brainiac, I did find him to be fun and nice enough. That changed drastically when he was modded. He is no longer fun or genuinely nice. I find his form of nice to be condescending and phony. He's also shown himself off the forum to be somewhat difficult. This is just my personal opinion based on my experience.


Drax, by children I am referring to the fact that one cannot say crap without being reprimanded.

Lumme, I remember once when I wrote something that looked like I had criticised the mods harshly and Benny reacted then seemed embarassed when I explained what I meant. Still, should've written clearer or something.

Drax wrote:

retrokitty wrote:

children at the other forum

I don't know if that's a fair comment. So far none of their membership has streaked this forum with their proverbial little dinks hanging out, flinging poop at the walls. *cough* *cough* Moore *cough* *cough*

;)

It wouldn't be necessary if the admins and mods hadn't sent out of line PM's. ;)

Salomé wrote:

I think it would be best in the long run if we truly went beyond MI6. I have not visited the new place nor do I have the desire to. We are helping no one by actively trying to sabotage their place. What's the point in registering there if all you want to achieve is create trouble?

I've pretty much moved on. Though I do visit from time to time just to see Moore and Brown's shenanigans pissing on nuMI6.

Moore wrote:

Honestly, I know they want that. But I can't help it. The whole look of the site and what people are posting just compels me to post. I like helping dumb down the discussion level as much as I can.

Even if that includes pretending I'm King George III.

I decided to go with Marie Antoinette

retrokitty wrote:

it's clear to me now that feelings are hurt. I suppose there was no way around that. I know that mods who are friends are hurt and feel the members here are definitely being elitist. We are. Why wouldn't we want like-minded people to be here in the beginning to build the forum? Inviting everyone at one time would not have been smart. It's enough that we vent here. We didn't need explanations here and debates here. It will die down faster naturally this way. I'm glad I was invited in the beginning and, sure, I might have felt a little left out too but a) I wasn't condescending to all of you and b) I'd have just happily waited on the sidelines to get my invite.

I will say though, and this is for Fae, me and anyone else in contact with people who have not been invited yet.... be honest. I've had a candid conversation with two friends who are mods over there. One is not hurt and is glad that things are straight between us as friends off any forum. One is particularly hurt. But in that case, if that person is to ever come here they needed to know that their behavior as a mod was interfering with the online play - and that's not what we want here.

I get this post Kitts, honestly, I get it. And you'd maybe be surprised just how much I'm in the same boat as you on it. But things were heavy the other night, things were heated. There was what felt like a blanket consensus from the mods at MI6 of "Yeah, it's sad the old place got nuked, but we love NuMI6 and we're well up for it", which is I'd assume why people here thought that the mods were committed to that place, would have seen this place as an act of potential MI6 separatism, so maybe wouldn't respond well to a "come over here instead" invite from one of us, as it may have been perceived as distinctly anti-MI6, the mast to which they've loyally nailed their colours in the service of it's leader.

Let's not beat about the bush here, James Page will NOT be enthusiastic about the existence of this place and, judging from many of the mod replies to complaints the other night, I can't blame people here for being weary of inviting mods from MI6 here. How were we to know where people's loyalties lay at that point, when the mod posts on the first night of NuMI6 seemed positively brimming with enthusiasm for James Page's new forum setup? People erred on the side of caution to avoid making the situation any worse. People just wanted an old-school forum they could happily post in the way they had done at old MI6. They invited their mates or people who looked like they could end up jumping ship at MI6, so as not to risk losing touch with those mates.

Then, this place became the main venting ground for people's complaints about NuMI6, a) because people could let off steam a hell of a lot more here without the risk of a ban or falling out with people, as could have been the case at MI6, and b) because all they were getting in response to complaints at MI6 were the same stock "Look on the bright side" answers from the mods who were unfortunately royally dumped on there in having to handle that situation, presumably with little of the true facts at their disposal. .So, as I said, this place became the main venting ground for complaints. Things were said, some fairly bad things were said, even insults towards individual mods were thrown about. There was anger, there was hurt, there was even a contingent of "f*** MI6" people here in wake of how they felt they'd been treated over there that night. Someone even received a post from MI6 top brass along the lines of "You don't like it? Then leave". With everything that had been said, this place automatically became an MI6 mod/admin's worst nightmare given some of the stuff posted about them. I'd been made mod here for the night, pretty much only on the basis that I'd probably been here longer than the others present at that time; all I thought it would entail was me showing people the welcome mat.

The next minute, I'm getting PMs about leaks of this site's address over on the MI6 main boards, then I'm getting PMs about two or three members just sitting there in the memberlist with absolutely nothing to say and nobody knew who the hell they were. People had typed stuff here, angry stuff, hell even some pretty vicious insulting stuff which they'd felt safe in posting away from the eyes of the superior staff at MI6, obviously including the mods, whose replies over at MI6 had made many people here unhappy. For all we knew, everything said here could have been being leaked back to MI6 admin, which could have meant real repercussions for this place if we were deemed as either competition or vehemently anti-MI6, repercussions which could result in this forum's closure. Such a scenario had precedence with what had happened with Brown's site a while back, which wasn't even a Bond-related site, yet covert s*** started happening to him at the hands of MI6 and the site's now gone.

Anyway, the next minute I start getting more PMs telling me that an MI6 mod has just strolled in here, having not been invited by anyone here. All those posts people had made in here which they'd felt safe to post were now being read by a mod from MI6. The mods seemed to have by and large allied themselves with James Page's NuMI6 on that night, so I could definitely understand people's concerns about a mod turning up here. Everyone stopped posting straight afterwards, except for the PMs I'd received about it. There was nothing I could do about it. I knew because of the leaks and mysterious non-invited members that the site would need to switch to e-mail approval only so that any old troll couldn't just wander in and trash the place. So all I could do to hopefully sort things out and restore the bulk of the membership's confidence in this place was to forward on to the admin the complaints I'd received, along with a very firm suggestion to lock the place up ASAP. And admin took it from there.

I personally have no beef with any individual mod over at MI6. I'll always look on them as mates, regardless of how any of them may feel about me right now, some of them were extremely kind and supportive towards me, which I'll always be thankful for. Like I said, things were heated the other night, and a lot of s*** has been kicked up on the back of it. Do I mind Benny calling us "elitists"? Hell, no. FWIW, I loved Benny at MI6, I still have all the time in the world for the guy and can completely understand if he's hurt at a load of his mates going somewhere else and "not inviting him". I've just played up the funny side of the "elitists" comments, as that's the last thing I'd want this place to become, not to mention that it paints us as some kind of "Master Race", which is obviously gonna spark some black humour through it's Moonraker connotations. So we've made a few humourous but (hopefully) harmless gags and jibes about it. "Selective through arguably justifiable caution" would have described us a lot better IMO, especially on that particularly bad night last week. On top of all of this, I'm still a member of MI6 and likely will be for the forseeable future. I'm simply, as are many here, just not very comfortable with the new format over there. I may not be happy at how our archive posts and some of our members were treated last week at MI6, but the only thing truly stopping me from interacting as per usual over at MI6 is the aforementioned format. It's just not my thing. But the fact that I'm still registered there and haven't once posted a huge rant about the new MI6 format over there, nor posted a "This is crap, I'm leaving" declaration I think makes my feelings fairly clear about the place. I still consider myself as having mates there, friendships which I hope aren't badly shaken or broken by this whole thing, as that was never my intention.

And kudos to GL's earlier post too, I agree with/understand those sentiments completely.

Thanks for that open post, Lazenby..

I wish that feelings were not hurt... But I am glad for this new forum. Not just the format but the tone.

I don't know who M is but he's been a great guy, understanding of our situation and quite patient with our requests and venting. I expect this will all settle.

Was M on the other site?