'Skyfall' Trailer 3

Prisoner Monkeys wrote:

Ever since j7 was kicked to the curb, we've been desperately short of a forum troll. It appears that Lazenby. is over-compensating for the lack of such a troll.

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The look of Bond: I'm all for Daniel Craig as Bond, and have been from day one. He's a million times the actor Brosnan was on every level, and comes across as 100% more British too. The switch to a blonde Bond was a big one, but one which audiences (myself included) were willing to accept at the price of an otherwise strong James Bond. But his haircut and appearance in many of the trailer shots and photos leaked from Skyfall again show us a character ashamed of his own cinematic identity. Look at that "angry farmer" shot, look at the terrible GI Joe haircut, look at the again-constant use of bigger Terminator-esque guns. By and large, this hero could be anybody. This franchise needs to stop being ashamed of it's own trademarks and stop deluding itself that it contains valid award-worthy drama. Just give us Bond back. The film will then simply live or die on how interesting and exciting the mission is, just as it did with the last great Bond films of Cubby's era. Stop sidetracking us, it's not helping the series at all in any other way than the already-guaranteed big bucks the films automatically make.

Laz., gay marry me?

Craig is looking a bit long in the tooth, and I think the beard looks ridiculous as well as not really fitting the character. It's a really cheap filmic device. Other than that it looks okay.

Action looks fantastic, and I'm genuinely intrigued as to how all the story elements are going to fit together ... roll on October 8) .

This is starting to look like the Best Bond film since Casino Royale and For Your Eyes Only.

I can almost forgive EON for the Quantum of Solace debacle!!

Naomi Harris videoblog



if this has been posted already, I haven't been here and I apologize in advance for reposting

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j7wild wrote:

This is starting to look like the Best Bond film since Casino Royale and For Your Eyes Only.

I can almost forgive EON for the Quantum of Solace debacle!!

Naomi Harris videoblog



if this has been posted already, I haven't been here and I apologize in advance for reposting

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Heheheh, it's been available for four months, and j7 seems to think it hasn't been posted before now.

For fuck's sake...

Slightly different trailer.

Prisoner Monkeys wrote:

j7 seems to think

First time for everything, I guess.

Back on the the subject of the trailer, I've been racking my brains trying to figure out what Silva's role within the film might be. He clearly knows how M operates, and that Bond is an agent she set to deal with him. He's also got knowledge of her past actions, and other characters consider him to be frightening beyond the constraints of conventional fear.

To start with, I kept coming back to the idea that he might be a former Double-Oh who M left behind or who was believed to be dead - but that's a little bit too much like Alec Trevelyan, and Javier Bardem said during the press conference in November that when he was approached, he was only interested in taking the role if it was something new. Given that he pretty much has his pick of film these days, I'm willing to believe that this was more than the usual gushing guff about how the series is very important to this actor or that director. He has also said that Raoul Silva is much more of a sympathetic villain - that while the audience won't agree with what he is doing, they will at least understand why he is doing it. He appears to not only be trying to kill M, but to humiliate her before he does so.

And so I have developed a theory:

I think Silva might be someone M worked with in the past, a local source or even a member of a friendly agency that worked with MI6 to complete some assignment or another when M was being considered for the top job at MI6. However, over the course of the operation, M pulled out and left Silva holding the short end of the stick. Predictably, things went bad from there on in, and Silva was ruined while M was promoted off the back of it. He may have been someone that she should have killed, but chose not to, because she didn't have the stones to follow through on it, and instead chose to discredit him. Ten or fifteen years later, he still harbours a grudge and is now trying to destroy not only her, but her reputation.

I think Silva's grudge is even more personal than that, judging from how he uses the term "mommy" so bitterly in the trailer. Maybe at one time when they were younger, M chose Bond over Silva (perhaps to enrol with MI6 or Bond's pre-MI6 training facility), or maybe even going as far back as events at an orphanage, and Silva has been plotting away for years to wreak vengeance on M. Also, given his ability to have gotten hold of the drive containing the agents and being familiar enough to facilitate the explosion at MI6, I still (regardless of what the producers say) wouldn't rule out Quantum involvement or even Silva being the head (or one of them) of that organisation. It would certainly explain people's huge fear of him, though lest we forget that the same was meant to be true of Renard, but look how that turned out.

Also, maybe M fakes Bond's death to stop Silva from coming after him, knowing that the whole situation is her own responsibility, not Bond's.

M wrote:

I think Silva's grudge is even more personal than that, judging from how he uses the term "mommy" so bitterly in the trailer.

Was that bitterness, or was it just Silva having a jibe at Bond?

M wrote:

Maybe at one time when they were younger, M chose Bond over Silva (perhaps to enrol with MI6 or Bond's pre-MI6 training facility), or maybe even going as far back as events at an orphanage, and Silva has been plotting away for years to wreak vengeance on M.

That probably wouldn't explin how Silva knows about the way M operates. If he was cut out of the loop, then he was cut out of the loop. I don't think he'd be able to get back in.

M wrote:

Also, given his ability to have gotten hold of the drive containing the agents and being familiar enough to facilitate the explosion at MI6, I still (regardless of what the producers say) wouldn't rule out Quantum involvement or even Silva being the head (or one of them) of that organisation. It would certainly explain people's huge fear of him, though lest we forget that the same was meant to be true of Renard, but look how that turned out.

It's pretty clear that M knows exactly who Raoul Silva is, so I don't think he's associated with Quantum.

M wrote:

Also, maybe M fakes Bond's death to stop Silva from coming after him, knowing that the whole situation is her own responsibility, not Bond's.

If M wants to stage Bond's death, there are easier ways to do it than to shoot him with a high-velocity rifle while he is in the middle of a fistfight on top of a speeding train as it passes over a gorge.

Prisoner Monkeys wrote:

M wrote:

Also, given his ability to have gotten hold of the drive containing the agents and being familiar enough to facilitate the explosion at MI6, I still (regardless of what the producers say) wouldn't rule out Quantum involvement or even Silva being the head (or one of them) of that organisation. It would certainly explain people's huge fear of him, though lest we forget that the same was meant to be true of Renard, but look how that turned out.

It's pretty clear that M knows exactly who Raoul Silva is, so I don't think he's associated with Quantum.

I think they also stated that Skyfall won't have anything to do with Quantum, and they might save it up for later. They did it with SPECTRE, mentioned in Dr. No, featured in FRWL, then disappeared completely in Goldfinger and coming back in Thunderball.

There's that line of Silva's from the trailer about him and Bond being the 2 'survivors' ... of what, I wonder?

A biological experiment by MI6? Would certainly explain Bond's freakish powers in the last two films...

If Skyfall was an operation which went wrong (maybe during a recent war like the war on terror), Bond and Silva could be the only 2 survivors of it.

Blunt Instrument wrote:

There's that line of Silva's from the trailer about him and Bond being the 2 'survivors' ... of what, I wonder?

Maybe nothing.

We can extrapolate from the trailer that Silva knows exactly who M is and how she operates. So he would know that she will send her best agent after him. Right now, it appears that his plan is to humilate M and then kill her, and a big part of that would be to drive a wedge between her and Bond - to get Bond into a position where he questions everything M has ever told him. Implying that he and Bond are more alike than Bond would care to admit by calling them "the last survivors" would be one way to do that.

So we can't really trust everything Silva says.

Is anyone else slightly disturbed by the fact that this movie will essentially acknowledge the fact that Craig's Bond has had a mother-son relationship with M?

It's been obvious since Dench was hired, they even mock that dynamic in QOS.

Camile: "Your mother?"
Bond: "She likes to think so."

Salomé wrote:

Is anyone else slightly disturbed by the fact that this movie will essentially acknowledge the fact that Craig's Bond has essentially had a mother-son relationship with M?

But is it really an acknowledgement on some meta-referential level? Silva is clearly taunting Bond over the way M sent him. After all, we know that is is well aware of who M is and how she operates. By extension of that, we can assume that he knows M will send her best agent to deal with him, since M is equally-aware of who Silva is and the threat he poses. He is clearly trying to gain the upper hand psychologically over Bond. So by calling M "mommy", it is a backanded admission that Bond is the best agent M has to send whilst trying to marginalise their relationship in order to intimidate Bond. Silva doesn't call M "mother" or "mum", but "mommy", using the kind of language that a toddler would use to refer to its mother.

Silva's rage stems from a three-way between him, Bond and M having turned sour when "Mommy" (her dom name that night) gave more of her candy to Bond than Silva. Now Silva's pissed about it...

Python wrote:

It's been obvious since Dench was hired, they even mock that dynamic in QOS.

Camile: "Your mother?"
Bond: "She likes to think so."

I had completely forgotten about that exchange. Probably because I've tried to block most of that movie from my memory...

One (villainous) character referring to M as 'Mommy' is hardly an acknowledgement of a Mother-son relationship. It's one character trying to win over another by exaggerating a point - wound Bond's pride, then offer him a chance to regain it by joining forces.

Fortunately, we know Bond is too intelligent and loyal to be seduced that way (but he might play along for a while).