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Largo's Shark wrote:

Hilly wrote:

Gravity's Silhouette wrote:

Largo's Shark wrote:

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Harterz gonna hate.

What do you think brought that on? Normally his avatars have something to do with Sarah Michelle Gellar. Maybe she issued a cease and desist order.

Maybe someone suggested it for him.

It's Mrs. Sects. Gotta be.

It wasn't...you have some fucking nerve with the accusations.

Nor am I leaking anything back to him.

I didn't think I'd be setting up myself for this shit....you're supposed to be a Mod capable of an informed decision, not a fucking idiot pulling theories out of your ass.

I asked M to close my account once and had to remind him again...I'm not sticking around for this rubbish.

:*h*:

I wrote that with tongue firmly in cheek. Never meant to be accusatory. I don't doubt for a second that j7 does what he pleases here, without any helping hand from fellow members.

It's not life or death, M'lady. No need to lash out.

Well, if there's a silver lining, Doggie's absence would mean there's no longer any need to keep J7 around. I've admired her loyalty a great deal, but I'm damned if I understand it. J7 is not worthy of her loyalty, IMO.

Largo's Shark wrote:

It's not life or death, M'lady. No need to lash out.

Indeed. Certainly not worthy of leaving the forum.

Perilagu Khan wrote:

J7 is not worthy of her loyalty, IMO.

He's not worthy of anyone's loyalty. Not an opinion, but fact. The guy is a human spambot that belongs in the Lara Croft forums.

Well M wants to keep him here. If he is that much of a bother, we could all just skip over his posts... I don't always read what he has to say. We can't just ban someone because a) most people don't like him/her (if so, why am I still here? ) and b) a veteran could potentially be leaving.

I tend to subscribe to the same view as GS and Ms Sects. He's an idiot. The world (and internet) are too full of idiots to get bothered by them. Provided he's not posting kiddie porn or links to White Supremacist sites just ignore his posts or laugh at them for the unintentional comedy pieces they usually are. I fail to see, frankly, how he's worth as much bother as he's been given here.

The reality is that J7 doesn't measure up to posting standards around here. Is this elitist? Yes. And proudly so. The posters on this site tend to be a cut above those on other Bond sites and I'd like to keep it that way. J7 brings down the quality of the neighborhood.

#1 I assumed that Largo's Shark was just joking when he said Mrs. Aural Sects was leaking information, and he has since said as much. Frankly, I thought it was so obvious that it didn't require a smiley face or a wink, but I don't think either one of those would have made much difference to Aural. She may have outgrown the forums. I choose to believe that simply because she appears to be looking for a reason to cut ties with B&B, and I think her reasoning (first it was this thread about JWild, and now she feels as if Largo's Shark has insulted her) simply is not supported by the facts on the ground. Why stake your reputation on JWild?

#2 I would suggest to M that he not give her what she wants: account deletion. Leave it open. She may change her mind in a few weeks or months. Maybe something else is going on in her life and JWild/Largo are just convenient reasons to leave.

#3 No one would necessarily have had to "leak" anything back to JWild. He can put some of the pieces together just based upon some of the comments made to him and about him in the regular threads since he came back.

#4 We may be giving JWild more credit than he deserves with this avatar thingy. Maybe he's just attracted to shiny, new objects, liked it, and decided to go with it.

#5 The issue really isn't with JWild at this point; it's probably with M. None of the moderators need convincing that JWild should go, so really it's all in the hands of M to make a move at some point in the future. He made his decision, it is what it is, we need to respect it, and patiently wait until JWild does something so egregious that even M won't hesitate to pull the trigger.

#6 I don't want this thread closed down. I believe a thread is like a fire: it should die out naturally even if I have no interest in the fire/thread.

#7 As for the posting standards and elitism....yeah, you're pretty much preaching to the choir. JWild is like a public housing unit that has just been built in the middle of a neighborhood full of million dollar homes. But there's nothing we can really do about it until he screws up big time (he will, especially without Aural to keep him in line). We're going to have to wait him out.

Vesper wrote:

I fail to see, frankly, how he's worth as much bother as he's been given here.

Q: How many mods & pages of discussion does it take to deal with one spammer?

A: Okay, I can't think of a punchline, but I think I've made my point.

Gravity's Silhouette wrote:

#3 No one would necessarily have had to "leak" anything back to JWild. He can put some of the pieces together just based upon some of the comments made to him and about him in the regular threads since he came back.

Exactly what is there to leak, anyway? And where has he displayed any lucidity of, well, anything?

Gravity's Silhouette wrote:

I choose to believe that simply because she appears to be looking for a reason to cut ties with B&B, and I think her reasoning (first it was this thread about JWild, and now she feels as if Largo's Shark has insulted her) simply is not supported by the facts on the ground. Why stake your reputation on JWild?

IIRC, Ms. Aural Sects objected to j7wild being harassed. Specifically, a mod editing one of j7wild's posts to make him look foolish - which I thought was funny, but I also recognize the wrongness of a mod abusing his powers like that, no matter who is on the receiving end.

I think Sects is making a stand against folks being humiliated like j7wild was. It's less about j7wild, than the principle of it. Maybe read her posts instead of speculating?

Louis Armstrong wrote:

IIRC, Ms. Aural Sects objected to j7wild being harassed. Specifically, a mod editing one of j7wild's posts to make him look foolish - which I thought was funny, but I also recognize the wrongness of a mod abusing his powers like that, no matter who is on the receiving end.

I think Sects is making a stand against folks being humiliated like j7wild was. It's less about j7wild, than the principle of it. Maybe read her posts instead of speculating?

I have read her posts, including her PM to me last night. On the surface she is reacting to J7Wild being "harassed". On the other hand, J7Wild seems to be a trifling, trivial issue in which to challenge a moderator, which makes me wonder if issues at home or at work are making her more sensitive on this issue than she might normally be. If I'm wrong and this is nothing more than her standing up for an underdog then I will accept that and say I was wrong. But would she have felt different about J7Wild's banishment if the mystery moderator had not edited his post? And why not stay and stand up for what you believe in rather than heatedly turning in your resignation? This isn't a country club, Aural Sects!

I don't agree with editing his posts to make him look foolish (J7Wild can do that on his own) because it's an abuse of moderator privileges. We don't need to "go there" because J7Wild goes there himself. I don't see the reason behind editing his post to make him look foolish anymore than I see the reason for taking a stand for J7Wild and going to M to get him re-instated; in other words, he's simply not that important to either frame nor crusade against. He's as insignificant to me as a fly on an elephant's ass; I wouldn't raise the energy to swat him away. But there's no getting around it that he provokes some passionate responses from many on the board, and some passionate responses to their passionate responses. We're going to have to find a happy place.

I'm not sure if anyone's particularly mad about it or not, but I was mainly the one who edited j7's posts with ridiculous images. I don't want anyone else to get totally pinned for that one. I was just having a bit of fun with it.

I was always friendly to him via PMs, though, and never denied him assistance when he had an issue on the board.

Keep him around to let him make an ass out of himself, or send him back to Mi6 in a diplomatic bag. Whatever works for everyone. Frankly, I don't care about this situation anymore.

We need to be discussing more important matters anyway, like tits, or why Oppers hasn't posted a high-res photo of herself yet.

He's not posting enough titty pictures. This enrages me.

You'd think he embed a thousand photos in the newly created Redhead thread, quite out of character of him not to!

I want to sincerely apologise to Aural.

I'm sorry if I came off as a t***. it was my mistake for not attaching a smiley at the end of my post, leading my comment to be misconstrued. It's happened before here, and with my sense of humour being very dry, and the limitations of forum communication, I should have seen it coming.

I'd rather you kick my sorry ass than have yours leave.

- Sharky.

It took some balls for the Mod who edited his posts to fess up and also for Largo's Shark to apologise. I might have over reacted but the way I saw it, the J7Wild lynching was still continuing after M mentioned two members who spoke out in favour of j7wild, with one of them obviously being me since I've said things openly. From my very annoyed end, it seemed like I was now having fingers pointed at me.

I don't repeat things to j7wild, nor am I 'loyal' per se. Louis Armstrong got it right, it's as simple as that. J7 did not do what I asked, post an apology, which means he cannot use me as a lifeline anymore. I simply thought at one point, he was being treated unfairly. Ambler called him out for spamming....but wasn't Ambler also accused of this on other boards?

I believe it was me who first pointed out that this forum has something called a Friends and Foes option, which is basically the board's 'IGNORE' feature. This would have been when some of you were at odds with Prisoner Monkeys. Why some of you simply can't use it is beyond me.

To illustrate my point, why hide this thread here? Why not let j7wild see it so he can have a chance to respond. Most likely, only he will be condemned if he does respond, and banned, since everyone else responding to him is apparently not breaking any forum rules where flaming and spamming are concerned. Especially in this thread.

It's likely j7wild would ignore this thread even if it were out in the open.

There is no fine line between the occasional mud-slinging between members and endangering the future of the forums with constant racist outbursts. There is a Berlin Wall between the occasional mud-slinging between members and endangering the future of the forums with constant racist outbursts, with armed guards stationed every twenty feet.

Occasionally, member of the forum do not get along, and it gets heated. It's the same on any forum. But eventually the sniping and the flaming pass, and M has enough sense to let it run its course (compared to James Page and Jim, who shut down anything and everything on the spot). But as has been well-documented, j7 put the future of the forums at risk with his racial outbursts, linking to Stormfront and posting slews of pictures that were pornography in all but name.

I don't understand why he was allowed back. He's had enough chances, and he's blown every single one of them. What has he done to deserve another chance? He doesn't deserve his membership. He should be locked up and the key thrown away. He's a stain on the forums, and it's less fun posting here when he is around.

Prisoner Monkeys wrote:

There is no fine line between the occasional mud-slinging between members and endangering the future of the forums with constant racist outbursts. There is a Berlin Wall between the occasional mud-slinging between members and endangering the future of the forums with constant racist outbursts, with armed guards stationed every twenty feet.

Can someone address how seriously 'endangered' the forums were because of something JWild had said or linked to? This idea that J7Wild almost got the site taken down because he violated Forum Motion's TOS has been kicked around and repeated, but I haven't seen anything (or don't recall having seen anything) that shows B&B was ever in any real danger of being taken down. I know he linked to something on StormFront's website, but I know nothing about StormFront. Are they advocating violence against blacks? Or are they merely a white separatist-advocacy group?

Mrs Aural Sects wrote:

It took some balls for the Mod who edited his posts to fess up and also for Largo's Shark to apologise.

I have to say, I was surprised that Control did it. I was thinking: "Largo's Shark. Gotta be."

StormFront is a neo-Nazi hate site, I believe.

Long after posting the StormFront link, j7 claimed that one of the moderators here edited the link into his post. I think that's bullshit and he was just trying to play the victim and cover his own ass. I didn't edit the post and don't think any other mod here did, either.

Gravity's Silhouette wrote:

Mrs Aural Sects wrote:

It took some balls for the Mod who edited his posts to fess up and also for Largo's Shark to apologise.

I have to say, I was surprised that Control did it. I was thinking: "Largo's Shark. Gotta be."

I did it once, as the j7 mod edit to end all j7 mod edits. IIRC, it was the first post he made since the return from his first suspension, in one of the "Last Move You Watched" threads. It was already overlong collection of 2 sentence reviews of all the films he watched in his downtime. I just threw in about a dozen 90s gifs (MC Hammer, dancing baby, wizard at computer) and trollface. I was trying to outdo Brown/Control.

A couple of days later after Khanster PMd me on the subject of j7 complaining to him about mods editing his posts, to cover my end, I restored the post I tampered with.

Mrs Aural Sects wrote:

Ambler called him out for spamming....but wasn't Ambler also accused of this on other boards?

I think it's important to note that MI6 had their own standards for what constitutes spam (Luds still calls him "Spambler"). In Erica's case it was just his off-topic ménage à trois comedy routines with MOO7RE and Oppers/Rave/Fae. I'd say that's worlds apart from what j7wild's known for.

As an aside, Benny told me he once had to cross-check my IP address with Ambler's to make sure we weren't the same person.

Largo's Shark wrote:

Gravity's Silhouette wrote:

Mrs Aural Sects wrote:

It took some balls for the Mod who edited his posts to fess up and also for Largo's Shark to apologise.

I have to say, I was surprised that Control did it. I was thinking: "Largo's Shark. Gotta be."

I did it once, as the j7 mod edit to end all j7 mod edits. IIRC, it was the first post he made since the return from his first suspension, in one of the "Last Move You Watched" threads. It was already overlong collection of 2 sentence reviews of all the films he watched in his downtime. I just threw in about a dozen 90s gifs (MC Hammer, dancing baby, wizard at computer) and trollface. I was trying to outdo Brown/Control.

A couple of days later after Khanster PMd me on the subject of j7 complaining to him about mods editing his posts, to cover my end, I restored the post I tampered with.

Well, I was just joking, but am genuinely surprised at #1 the amount of intrigue going on around here and #2 that I have had nothing to do with it. I used to be at the center of most controversies; now I feel like I'm on the outside looking in.

Don't take this the wrong way, and I don't know what M knows about who did what, but maybe with at least two moderators having edited J7's posts, M felt that the moral high ground against J7 had been lost. I think moving forward we should all agree that we're going to have to be better than J7 if a case is going to be made to remove him. In my opinion, the instances of editing his posts (however playful and innocent the intention may have been) could possibly have worked against the effort to keep him permanently banned, because it played into the argument that he was being unfairly targeted.

Mrs Aural Sects wrote:

To illustrate my point, why hide this thread here? Why not let j7wild see it so he can have a chance to respond. Most likely, only he will be condemned if he does respond, and banned, since everyone else responding to him is apparently not breaking any forum rules where flaming and spamming are concerned. Especially in this thread.

He won't respond. He doesn't respond to anything critiquing him. Makes me wonder if he's just a troll.

Jack Wade wrote:

Mrs Aural Sects wrote:

To illustrate my point, why hide this thread here? Why not let j7wild see it so he can have a chance to respond. Most likely, only he will be condemned if he does respond, and banned, since everyone else responding to him is apparently not breaking any forum rules where flaming and spamming are concerned. Especially in this thread.

He won't respond. He doesn't respond to anything critiquing him. Makes me wonder if he's just a troll.

And it' s not like you're going to get a coherent, cogent response from him that reasonably answers all questions people have about him. Expanding the thread to other forums or opening it up to other people will only ensure that it doesn't resolve itself, but instead keeps on burning like the eternal flame.

I don't think he's a troll in the sense that his sole focus or mission is to come in and annoy people. I'll give him that much credit. But I also don't think he's terribly interested in articulating and explaining certain views or opinions either, or backing them up with reason, logic or debate.